Thanks all! Leslie Tomczak Board Certified by The Florida Bar in Construction Law LEED AP Akerman LLP I 350 East Las Olas Boulevard I Suite 1600 I Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 Dir: 954.759.8926 I Main: 954.463.2700 I I Fax: 954.463.2224 leslie.tomczak@akerman.com -----Original Message----- From: George R. Truitt [mailto:George.Truitt@csklegal.com] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 10:38 AM To: Fred Dudley; Tomczak, Leslie Miller (Ptnr-Ftl) Cc: DVega@tevtlaw.com; Michael.Gibbons@lowndes-law.com; lweintraub@bplegal.com; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: RE: ***SPAM*** Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: You might Try Municode. One stop shop for county and city ordinances. That is where we find the local licensing requirements. https://www.municode.com/library/fl George R. Truitt mailto:George.Truitt@csklegal.com Tel:305-350-5331 Fax:305-373-2294 Cole, Scott & Kissane Building 9150 South Dadeland Boulevard, Suite 1400 Miami Florida 33156 http://www.csklegal.com ----------------------------- [Insert your disclaimer here] ----------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Fred Dudley [mailto:dudley@mylicenselaw.com] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 10:34 AM To: leslie.tomczak@akerman.com; George R. Truitt Cc: DVega@tevtlaw.com; Michael.Gibbons@lowndes-law.com; lweintraub@bplegal.com; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: RE: ***SPAM*** Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: Miami-Dade County licensing ordinance is 10, and easily found on line; it is also very extensive, and without the exemptions set for in s. 489.103, F.S. I don’t recall ever researching a comparable Broward County licensing ordinance, but I believe they also have an extensive one. Fred R. Dudley, Partner Board Certified Construction Lawyer Dudley, Sellers & Healy, P. L. SunTrust Financial Center, Suite 301 3522 Thomasville Road Tallahassee, Florida 32308 Cell: (850) 294-3471 Direct: (850)692-6368 dudley@mylicenselaw.com -----Original Message----- From: leslie.tomczak@akerman.com [mailto:leslie.tomczak@akerman.com] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 10:24 AM To: George.Truitt@csklegal.com Cc: Fred Dudley; DVega@tevtlaw.com; Michael.Gibbons@lowndes-law.com; lweintraub@bplegal.com; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: RE: ***SPAM*** Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: Miami-Dade and Broward, for starters. Leslie Tomczak Board Certified by The Florida Bar in Construction Law LEED AP Akerman LLP I 350 East Las Olas Boulevard I Suite 1600 I Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 Dir: 954.759.8926 I Main: 954.463.2700 I I Fax: 954.463.2224 leslie.tomczak@akerman.com www.akerman.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information contained in this transmission may be privileged and confidential, and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error and then delete it. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: George R. Truitt [mailto:George.Truitt@csklegal.com] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 10:22 AM To: Tomczak, Leslie Miller (Ptnr-Ftl) Cc: dudley@mylicenselaw.com; DVega@tevtlaw.com; Michael.Gibbons@lowndes-law.com; lweintraub@bplegal.com; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: Which jurisdiction? > On Jan 8, 2015, at 10:17 AM, "leslie.tomczak@akerman.com" <leslie.tomczak@akerman.com> wrote: > > On this topic, do any of you know of a good resource by which we can determine what the various licensing requirements are in certain local jurisdictions? I have a client whose scope of work does not appear to require a state license, but may require local licensure. > > Leslie Tomczak > Board Certified by The Florida Bar in Construction Law LEED AP Akerman > LLP I 350 East Las Olas Boulevard I Suite 1600 I Fort Lauderdale, FL > 33301 > Dir: 954.759.8926 I Main: 954.463.2700 I I Fax: 954.463.2224 > leslie.tomczak@akerman.com > > > www.akerman.com > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information contained in this transmission > may be privileged and confidential, and is intended only for the use > of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message > is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, > please immediately reply to the sender that you have received this > communication in error and then delete it. Thank you. > > George R. Truitt mailto:George.Truitt@csklegal.com Tel:305-350-5331 Fax:305-373-2294 Cole, Scott & Kissane Building 9150 South Dadeland Boulevard, Suite 1400 Miami Florida 33156 http://www.csklegal.com ----------------------------- [Insert your disclaimer here] ----------------------------- -----Original Message----- > From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org > [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of > Fred Dudley > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 10:03 AM > To: Dan Vega; Gibbons, Michael; Weintraub, Lee > Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org > Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: > > We may be on separate issues, Dan; I'm referring to any local licensing requirements, NOT to any code requirements. As to local licensing, if required and not obtained I believe that raises that prospect that the contact is VOID for violation of public policy (having nothing to do with s. 489.128); without a valid contract, there is NO lien. > > Fred R. Dudley, Partner > Board Certified Construction Lawyer > Dudley, Sellers & Healy, P. L. > SunTrust Financial Center, Suite 301 > 3522 Thomasville Road > Tallahassee, Florida 32308 > Cell: (850) 294-3471 > Direct: (850)692-6368 > dudley@mylicenselaw.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@tevtlaw.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 9:47 AM > To: Fred Dudley; Gibbons, Michael; Weintraub, Lee > Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org > Subject: RE: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: > > Why would you conclude that? If the local code does not bar enforcement of the contract, then the owner would have no standing to enforce the code. > > > > > Daniel R. Vega, Esq. > Board Certified in Construction Law > Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A. > 2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220 > Coral Gables, Florida 33134 > Telephone: (305) 443-2043 > Facsimile: (305) 443-2048 > Cell: (305) 962-5186 > E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org > [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of > Fred Dudley > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 9:19 AM > To: Gibbons, Michael; Weintraub, Lee > Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org > Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: > > BUT if a local license is required for such work, the failure be licensed may still be a defense to a lien. > > Fred R. Dudley, Partner > Board Certified Construction Lawyer > Dudley, Sellers & Healy, P. L. > SunTrust Financial Center, Suite 301 > 3522 Thomasville Road > Tallahassee, Florida 32308 > Cell: (850) 294-3471 > Direct: (850)692-6368 > dudley@mylicenselaw.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gibbons, Michael [mailto:Michael.Gibbons@lowndes-law.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 9:06 AM > To: Weintraub, Lee > Cc: Fred Dudley; Sean A. Mickley; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org > Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: > > This has always been my understanding and practice. 489.128 has no application unless scope of work falls under the defined scopes of "contractor" under definitions of Ch. 489. You won't find painting or flooring installation under definition of contractor at 489. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 8, 2015, at 7:58 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.com> wrote: >> >> 713.02, which deprives unlicensed contractors of liens, references 489.128, which only requires a license "required by this part." "This part" only requires state licenses. I don't think a local license requirement is relevant to the analysis of whether one can lien. >> >> >> >> Lee A. Weintraub >> Shareholder >> Board Certified in Construction Law >> Chair, Public Private Partnerships Practice Group Vice Chair, >> Construction Law and Litigation Practice Group >> >> Becker & Poliakoff, P.A. >> 1 East Broward Blvd., Suite 1800 | Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 >> Tel: 954.985.4147 | Fax: 954.985.4176 | lweintraub@bplegal.com >> www.bplegal.com >> >> >> Visit www.floridaconstructionlawauthority.com today! >> >> >> The Becker & Poliakoff Client CARE Center is here to serve our valued clients. If you have a question, please call us toll-free at 1-844-CAREBP1 (1-844-227-3271) or by email at care@bplegal.com. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org >> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of >> Fred Dudley >> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:52 AM >> To: Gibbons, Michael; Sean A. Mickley >> Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org >> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: >> >> I believe that either a state OR local license is required for such improvements, subject to the $1,000 "handyman" exemption found in s. 489.103(9); however, since the contract price exceeds this amount, that exemption is not applicable. >> >> I suggest that the local licensing requirements be considered. >> >> Fred R. Dudley, Partner >> Board Certified Construction Lawyer >> Dudley, Sellers & Healy, P. L. >> SunTrust Financial Center, Suite 301 >> 3522 Thomasville Road >> Tallahassee, Florida 32308 >> Cell: (850) 294-3471 >> Direct: (850)692-6368 >> dudley@mylicenselaw.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org >> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of >> Gibbons, Michael >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 11:00 PM >> To: Sean A. Mickley >> Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org >> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: >> >> If the scope of work doesn't require a state license but the handyman is doing work improving the property (e.g. Painting, carpet or tile install) the work would be lienable regardless of non-state licensure under Ch. 489. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:23 PM, Sean A. Mickley <smickley@gouldcooksey.com> wrote: >>> >>> Does a handyman performing repairs and improvements in excess of $2,500 which do not require a license have lien rights on the property? >>> >>> I understand that florida law requires a contractor be licensed in order to lien property, but it does not require a license for material men or laborers to lien the property. Arguably, the handyman is a hybrid between the two. I would appreciate any insight on this issue. >>> >>> My initial conclusion is that the handyman does not have lien rights but I'd like to gather your collective thoughts. >>> >>> Sean A. Mickley, Esq. >>> Gould Cooksey Fennell, P.A. >>> 979 Beachland Blvd. >>> Vero Beach, FL 32963 >>> 772-231-1100 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CLC-Discussion mailing list >>> CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org >>> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussion >> >> This email message has been delivered safely and archived online by >> Mimecast. 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That's a great resource to learn about; thanks very much. Fred R. Dudley, Partner Board Certified Construction Lawyer Dudley, Sellers & Healy, P. L. SunTrust Financial Center, Suite 301 3522 Thomasville Road Tallahassee, Florida 32308 Cell: (850) 294-3471 Direct: (850)692-6368 dudley@mylicenselaw.com -----Original Message----- From: George R. Truitt [mailto:George.Truitt@csklegal.com] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 10:38 AM To: Fred Dudley; leslie.tomczak@akerman.com Cc: DVega@tevtlaw.com; Michael.Gibbons@lowndes-law.com; lweintraub@bplegal.com; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: RE: ***SPAM*** Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: You might Try Municode. One stop shop for county and city ordinances. That is where we find the local licensing requirements. https://www.municode.com/library/fl George R. Truitt mailto:George.Truitt@csklegal.com Tel:305-350-5331 Fax:305-373-2294 Cole, Scott & Kissane Building 9150 South Dadeland Boulevard, Suite 1400 Miami Florida 33156 http://www.csklegal.com ----------------------------- [Insert your disclaimer here] ----------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Fred Dudley [mailto:dudley@mylicenselaw.com] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 10:34 AM To: leslie.tomczak@akerman.com; George R. Truitt Cc: DVega@tevtlaw.com; Michael.Gibbons@lowndes-law.com; lweintraub@bplegal.com; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: RE: ***SPAM*** Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: Miami-Dade County licensing ordinance is 10, and easily found on line; it is also very extensive, and without the exemptions set for in s. 489.103, F.S. I don’t recall ever researching a comparable Broward County licensing ordinance, but I believe they also have an extensive one. Fred R. Dudley, Partner Board Certified Construction Lawyer Dudley, Sellers & Healy, P. L. SunTrust Financial Center, Suite 301 3522 Thomasville Road Tallahassee, Florida 32308 Cell: (850) 294-3471 Direct: (850)692-6368 dudley@mylicenselaw.com -----Original Message----- From: leslie.tomczak@akerman.com [mailto:leslie.tomczak@akerman.com] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 10:24 AM To: George.Truitt@csklegal.com Cc: Fred Dudley; DVega@tevtlaw.com; Michael.Gibbons@lowndes-law.com; lweintraub@bplegal.com; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: RE: ***SPAM*** Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: Miami-Dade and Broward, for starters. Leslie Tomczak Board Certified by The Florida Bar in Construction Law LEED AP Akerman LLP I 350 East Las Olas Boulevard I Suite 1600 I Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 Dir: 954.759.8926 I Main: 954.463.2700 I I Fax: 954.463.2224 leslie.tomczak@akerman.com www.akerman.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information contained in this transmission may be privileged and confidential, and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error and then delete it. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: George R. Truitt [mailto:George.Truitt@csklegal.com] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 10:22 AM To: Tomczak, Leslie Miller (Ptnr-Ftl) Cc: dudley@mylicenselaw.com; DVega@tevtlaw.com; Michael.Gibbons@lowndes-law.com; lweintraub@bplegal.com; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: Which jurisdiction? > On Jan 8, 2015, at 10:17 AM, "leslie.tomczak@akerman.com" <leslie.tomczak@akerman.com> wrote: > > On this topic, do any of you know of a good resource by which we can determine what the various licensing requirements are in certain local jurisdictions? I have a client whose scope of work does not appear to require a state license, but may require local licensure. > > Leslie Tomczak > Board Certified by The Florida Bar in Construction Law LEED AP Akerman > LLP I 350 East Las Olas Boulevard I Suite 1600 I Fort Lauderdale, FL > 33301 > Dir: 954.759.8926 I Main: 954.463.2700 I I Fax: 954.463.2224 > leslie.tomczak@akerman.com > > > www.akerman.com > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information contained in this transmission > may be privileged and confidential, and is intended only for the use > of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message > is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, > please immediately reply to the sender that you have received this > communication in error and then delete it. Thank you. > > George R. Truitt mailto:George.Truitt@csklegal.com Tel:305-350-5331 Fax:305-373-2294 Cole, Scott & Kissane Building 9150 South Dadeland Boulevard, Suite 1400 Miami Florida 33156 http://www.csklegal.com ----------------------------- [Insert your disclaimer here] ----------------------------- -----Original Message----- > From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org > [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of > Fred Dudley > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 10:03 AM > To: Dan Vega; Gibbons, Michael; Weintraub, Lee > Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org > Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: > > We may be on separate issues, Dan; I'm referring to any local licensing requirements, NOT to any code requirements. As to local licensing, if required and not obtained I believe that raises that prospect that the contact is VOID for violation of public policy (having nothing to do with s. 489.128); without a valid contract, there is NO lien. > > Fred R. Dudley, Partner > Board Certified Construction Lawyer > Dudley, Sellers & Healy, P. L. > SunTrust Financial Center, Suite 301 > 3522 Thomasville Road > Tallahassee, Florida 32308 > Cell: (850) 294-3471 > Direct: (850)692-6368 > dudley@mylicenselaw.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@tevtlaw.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 9:47 AM > To: Fred Dudley; Gibbons, Michael; Weintraub, Lee > Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org > Subject: RE: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: > > Why would you conclude that? If the local code does not bar enforcement of the contract, then the owner would have no standing to enforce the code. > > > > > Daniel R. Vega, Esq. > Board Certified in Construction Law > Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A. > 2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220 > Coral Gables, Florida 33134 > Telephone: (305) 443-2043 > Facsimile: (305) 443-2048 > Cell: (305) 962-5186 > E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org > [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of > Fred Dudley > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 9:19 AM > To: Gibbons, Michael; Weintraub, Lee > Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org > Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: > > BUT if a local license is required for such work, the failure be licensed may still be a defense to a lien. > > Fred R. Dudley, Partner > Board Certified Construction Lawyer > Dudley, Sellers & Healy, P. L. > SunTrust Financial Center, Suite 301 > 3522 Thomasville Road > Tallahassee, Florida 32308 > Cell: (850) 294-3471 > Direct: (850)692-6368 > dudley@mylicenselaw.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gibbons, Michael [mailto:Michael.Gibbons@lowndes-law.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 9:06 AM > To: Weintraub, Lee > Cc: Fred Dudley; Sean A. Mickley; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org > Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: > > This has always been my understanding and practice. 489.128 has no application unless scope of work falls under the defined scopes of "contractor" under definitions of Ch. 489. You won't find painting or flooring installation under definition of contractor at 489. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 8, 2015, at 7:58 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.com> wrote: >> >> 713.02, which deprives unlicensed contractors of liens, references 489.128, which only requires a license "required by this part." "This part" only requires state licenses. I don't think a local license requirement is relevant to the analysis of whether one can lien. >> >> >> >> Lee A. Weintraub >> Shareholder >> Board Certified in Construction Law >> Chair, Public Private Partnerships Practice Group Vice Chair, >> Construction Law and Litigation Practice Group >> >> Becker & Poliakoff, P.A. >> 1 East Broward Blvd., Suite 1800 | Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 >> Tel: 954.985.4147 | Fax: 954.985.4176 | lweintraub@bplegal.com >> www.bplegal.com >> >> >> Visit www.floridaconstructionlawauthority.com today! >> >> >> The Becker & Poliakoff Client CARE Center is here to serve our valued clients. If you have a question, please call us toll-free at 1-844-CAREBP1 (1-844-227-3271) or by email at care@bplegal.com. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org >> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of >> Fred Dudley >> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:52 AM >> To: Gibbons, Michael; Sean A. Mickley >> Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org >> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: >> >> I believe that either a state OR local license is required for such improvements, subject to the $1,000 "handyman" exemption found in s. 489.103(9); however, since the contract price exceeds this amount, that exemption is not applicable. >> >> I suggest that the local licensing requirements be considered. >> >> Fred R. Dudley, Partner >> Board Certified Construction Lawyer >> Dudley, Sellers & Healy, P. L. >> SunTrust Financial Center, Suite 301 >> 3522 Thomasville Road >> Tallahassee, Florida 32308 >> Cell: (850) 294-3471 >> Direct: (850)692-6368 >> dudley@mylicenselaw.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org >> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of >> Gibbons, Michael >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 11:00 PM >> To: Sean A. Mickley >> Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org >> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: >> >> If the scope of work doesn't require a state license but the handyman is doing work improving the property (e.g. Painting, carpet or tile install) the work would be lienable regardless of non-state licensure under Ch. 489. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:23 PM, Sean A. Mickley <smickley@gouldcooksey.com> wrote: >>> >>> Does a handyman performing repairs and improvements in excess of $2,500 which do not require a license have lien rights on the property? >>> >>> I understand that florida law requires a contractor be licensed in order to lien property, but it does not require a license for material men or laborers to lien the property. Arguably, the handyman is a hybrid between the two. I would appreciate any insight on this issue. >>> >>> My initial conclusion is that the handyman does not have lien rights but I'd like to gather your collective thoughts. >>> >>> Sean A. Mickley, Esq. >>> Gould Cooksey Fennell, P.A. >>> 979 Beachland Blvd. >>> Vero Beach, FL 32963 >>> 772-231-1100 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CLC-Discussion mailing list >>> CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org >>> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussion >> >> This email message has been delivered safely and archived online by >> Mimecast. 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I use municode which has a good search engine. https://www.municode.com/library/fl William H. Hilton, III Vice President Managing Counsel Fidelity National Title Group 601 Riverside Avenue Building Five | Fourth Floor Jacksonville, FL 32204 Office: 904.701.6193 Facsimile: 904.633.3060 E-mail: William.Hilton@fnf.com -----Original Message----- From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Fred Dudley Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 10:16 AM To: leslie.tomczak@akerman.com; DVega@tevtlaw.com; Michael.Gibbons@lowndes-law.com; lweintraub@bplegal.com Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: * Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: I don't, Leslie, but have always been able to locate applicable licensing ordinances via Google search. Fred R. Dudley, Partner Board Certified Construction Lawyer Dudley, Sellers & Healy, P. L. SunTrust Financial Center, Suite 301 3522 Thomasville Road Tallahassee, Florida 32308 Cell: (850) 294-3471 Direct: (850)692-6368 dudley@mylicenselaw.com -----Original Message----- From: leslie.tomczak@akerman.com [mailto:leslie.tomczak@akerman.com] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 10:14 AM To: Fred Dudley; DVega@tevtlaw.com; Michael.Gibbons@lowndes-law.com; lweintraub@bplegal.com Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: RE: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: On this topic, do any of you know of a good resource by which we can determine what the various licensing requirements are in certain local jurisdictions? I have a client whose scope of work does not appear to require a state license, but may require local licensure. 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Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Fred Dudley Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 10:03 AM To: Dan Vega; Gibbons, Michael; Weintraub, Lee Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: We may be on separate issues, Dan; I'm referring to any local licensing requirements, NOT to any code requirements. As to local licensing, if required and not obtained I believe that raises that prospect that the contact is VOID for violation of public policy (having nothing to do with s. 489.128); without a valid contract, there is NO lien. Fred R. Dudley, Partner Board Certified Construction Lawyer Dudley, Sellers & Healy, P. L. SunTrust Financial Center, Suite 301 3522 Thomasville Road Tallahassee, Florida 32308 Cell: (850) 294-3471 Direct: (850)692-6368 dudley@mylicenselaw.com -----Original Message----- From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@tevtlaw.com] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 9:47 AM To: Fred Dudley; Gibbons, Michael; Weintraub, Lee Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: RE: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: Why would you conclude that? If the local code does not bar enforcement of the contract, then the owner would have no standing to enforce the code. Daniel R. Vega, Esq. Board Certified in Construction Law Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A. 2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220 Coral Gables, Florida 33134 Telephone: (305) 443-2043 Facsimile: (305) 443-2048 Cell: (305) 962-5186 E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.com -----Original Message----- From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Fred Dudley Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 9:19 AM To: Gibbons, Michael; Weintraub, Lee Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: BUT if a local license is required for such work, the failure be licensed may still be a defense to a lien. Fred R. Dudley, Partner Board Certified Construction Lawyer Dudley, Sellers & Healy, P. L. SunTrust Financial Center, Suite 301 3522 Thomasville Road Tallahassee, Florida 32308 Cell: (850) 294-3471 Direct: (850)692-6368 dudley@mylicenselaw.com -----Original Message----- From: Gibbons, Michael [mailto:Michael.Gibbons@lowndes-law.com] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 9:06 AM To: Weintraub, Lee Cc: Fred Dudley; Sean A. Mickley; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: This has always been my understanding and practice. 489.128 has no application unless scope of work falls under the defined scopes of "contractor" under definitions of Ch. 489. You won't find painting or flooring installation under definition of contractor at 489. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 8, 2015, at 7:58 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.com> wrote: > > 713.02, which deprives unlicensed contractors of liens, references 489.128, which only requires a license "required by this part." "This part" only requires state licenses. I don't think a local license requirement is relevant to the analysis of whether one can lien. > > > > Lee A. Weintraub > Shareholder > Board Certified in Construction Law > Chair, Public Private Partnerships Practice Group Vice Chair, > Construction Law and Litigation Practice Group > > Becker & Poliakoff, P.A. > 1 East Broward Blvd., Suite 1800 | Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 > Tel: 954.985.4147 | Fax: 954.985.4176 | lweintraub@bplegal.com > www.bplegal.com > > > Visit www.floridaconstructionlawauthority.com today! > > > The Becker & Poliakoff Client CARE Center is here to serve our valued clients. If you have a question, please call us toll-free at 1-844-CAREBP1 (1-844-227-3271) or by email at care@bplegal.com. > -----Original Message----- > From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org > [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of > Fred Dudley > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:52 AM > To: Gibbons, Michael; Sean A. Mickley > Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org > Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: > > I believe that either a state OR local license is required for such improvements, subject to the $1,000 "handyman" exemption found in s. 489.103(9); however, since the contract price exceeds this amount, that exemption is not applicable. > > I suggest that the local licensing requirements be considered. > > Fred R. Dudley, Partner > Board Certified Construction Lawyer > Dudley, Sellers & Healy, P. L. > SunTrust Financial Center, Suite 301 > 3522 Thomasville Road > Tallahassee, Florida 32308 > Cell: (850) 294-3471 > Direct: (850)692-6368 > dudley@mylicenselaw.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org > [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of > Gibbons, Michael > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 11:00 PM > To: Sean A. Mickley > Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org > Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Lien Right?: > > If the scope of work doesn't require a state license but the handyman is doing work improving the property (e.g. Painting, carpet or tile install) the work would be lienable regardless of non-state licensure under Ch. 489. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:23 PM, Sean A. Mickley <smickley@gouldcooksey.com> wrote: >> >> Does a handyman performing repairs and improvements in excess of $2,500 which do not require a license have lien rights on the property? >> >> I understand that florida law requires a contractor be licensed in order to lien property, but it does not require a license for material men or laborers to lien the property. Arguably, the handyman is a hybrid between the two. I would appreciate any insight on this issue. >> >> My initial conclusion is that the handyman does not have lien rights but I'd like to gather your collective thoughts. >> >> Sean A. 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