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Jeff Mazor

Thu, Oct 29, 2015 2:36 PM

This residential case is driving me a bit nuts!

Property is a low income housing tax credit property. Tenant is a royal pain
and Landlord would rather eat glass than renew.

I understand that landlord must have good cause, but does the notice have to
list the specific good cause reasons for the nonrenewal to be valid?

In this case, prior to service of the non-renewal, tenant had previously
been served with a couple dozen notices to pay or vacate as well as 7 day
cure notices.

Also, tenant knew very well that landlord would not renew and the reasons

all via emails between the two.

Help!!!!!

Jeff

Jeffrey R. Mazor, Esq.
J. R. Mazor & Associates, P.A.
Presidential Circle Building
4000 Hollywood Blvd., Suite 265-s
Hollywood, FL 33021
Email: JMazor@Mazor.com mailto:JMazor@Mazor.com
Phone: 954-962-3500
Fax: 954-342-7703

This residential case is driving me a bit nuts! Property is a low income housing tax credit property. Tenant is a royal pain and Landlord would rather eat glass than renew. I understand that landlord must have good cause, but does the notice have to list the specific good cause reasons for the nonrenewal to be valid? In this case, prior to service of the non-renewal, tenant had previously been served with a couple dozen notices to pay or vacate as well as 7 day cure notices. Also, tenant knew very well that landlord would not renew and the reasons - all via emails between the two. Help!!!!! Jeff Jeffrey R. Mazor, Esq. J. R. Mazor & Associates, P.A. Presidential Circle Building 4000 Hollywood Blvd., Suite 265-s Hollywood, FL 33021 Email: JMazor@Mazor.com <mailto:JMazor@Mazor.com> Phone: 954-962-3500 Fax: 954-342-7703

ML

Martin Lawyer

Thu, Oct 29, 2015 9:24 PM

Yes, a specific notice is required, but not just because it's a Tax Credit property. Sec. 83.56(2), Fla. Stat., interpreted in the context of constitutional procedural due process, requires the landlord to specify the ground.

Those tax credit property residential leases approved by the Florida Housing Finance Corporation have very specific and limited grounds for eviction. However, there are numerous permitted grounds for eviction. Your landlord client is not permitted to substitute his/her/its own lease for the one approved by the State agency.

For example, a legally sufficient notice should say:

Your action constitutes a material breach of ¶ xx. of the lease, which is specifically a ground for eviction pursuant to ¶ yy. of the lease in that:

On [date] at approximately [time] at the location of ___________________ you did/failed to do __________________________ .

                  Marty

                 C. Martin (Marty) Lawyer, III
                 Florida Bar # 128095
                 Bay Area Legal Services, Inc.
                 1302  N. 19th St.,  Suite # 400
                 Tampa,  FL 33605-5230
                 (813)  232-1222, Ext.109
                  FAX:  248-9922

"Preserving Independence, Hope and Dignity"

From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Mazor
Sent: Thursday, 29 October, 2015 10:36
To: 'RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee' landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] How much does a N/Nonrenewal have to spell out

This residential case is driving me a bit nuts!

Property is a low income housing tax credit property. Tenant is a royal pain and Landlord would rather eat glass than renew.

I understand that landlord must have good cause, but does the notice have to list the specific good cause reasons for the nonrenewal to be valid?

In this case, prior to service of the non-renewal, tenant had previously been served with a couple dozen notices to pay or vacate as well as 7 day cure notices.

Also, tenant knew very well that landlord would not renew and the reasons - all via emails between the two.

Help!!!!!

Jeff

Jeffrey R. Mazor, Esq.

J. R. Mazor & Associates, P.A.

Presidential Circle Building

4000 Hollywood Blvd., Suite 265-s

Hollywood, FL 33021

Email: JMazor@Mazor.com mailto:JMazor@Mazor.com

Phone: 954-962-3500

Fax: 954-342-7703

Yes, a specific notice is required, but not just because it's a Tax Credit property. Sec. 83.56(2), Fla. Stat., interpreted in the context of constitutional procedural due process, requires the landlord to specify the ground. Those tax credit property residential leases approved by the Florida Housing Finance Corporation have very specific and limited grounds for eviction. However, there are numerous permitted grounds for eviction. Your landlord client is not permitted to substitute his/her/its own lease for the one approved by the State agency. For example, a legally sufficient notice should say: Your action constitutes a material breach of ¶ xx. of the lease, which is specifically a ground for eviction pursuant to ¶ yy. of the lease in that: On [date] at approximately [time] at the location of ___________________ you did/failed to do __________________________ . Marty C. Martin (Marty) Lawyer, III Florida Bar # 128095 Bay Area Legal Services, Inc. 1302 N. 19th St., Suite # 400 Tampa, FL 33605-5230 (813) 232-1222, Ext.109 FAX: 248-9922 "Preserving Independence, Hope and Dignity" From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Mazor Sent: Thursday, 29 October, 2015 10:36 To: 'RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee' <landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] How much does a N/Nonrenewal have to spell out This residential case is driving me a bit nuts! Property is a low income housing tax credit property. Tenant is a royal pain and Landlord would rather eat glass than renew. I understand that landlord must have good cause, but does the notice have to list the specific good cause reasons for the nonrenewal to be valid? In this case, prior to service of the non-renewal, tenant had previously been served with a couple dozen notices to pay or vacate as well as 7 day cure notices. Also, tenant knew very well that landlord would not renew and the reasons - all via emails between the two. Help!!!!! Jeff Jeffrey R. Mazor, Esq. J. R. Mazor & Associates, P.A. Presidential Circle Building 4000 Hollywood Blvd., Suite 265-s Hollywood, FL 33021 Email: JMazor@Mazor.com<mailto:JMazor@Mazor.com> Phone: 954-962-3500 Fax: 954-342-7703

MD

Mike Davis

Thu, Oct 29, 2015 10:46 PM

Marty

I believe that Jeff is speaking to nonrenewals. I think that either landlord or tenant has the absolute right to nonrenew, absent any government subsidy. Practically, landlord should have objective verifiable reasons in the file for nonrenewal. Unless it is obvious from the tenant's physical attributes, you can't tell who's in a protected class until you get the FH complaint. "Objective verifiable" to me are 7Cures (other than nonpayment noncompliances) or 3Days (nonpayment noncompliances). When a government subsidy (tax credit, sec 8, etc.) is involved, consult the applicable docs, statutes and regs to see what are permissible nonrenewal reasons and the degree of detail required.

In general 7Cures and 7Terminates under 83.56(2) need detail. In general I find judges take the position "If I were the tenant did this sufficiently inform me of what I was doing or not doing wrong." I have found that most judges don't go to the constitutional issue, unless they have to. They rarely have to, since they can rely on contract law (7Day ambiguous and construed against landlord drafter) or a provision in 83 Part II (i.e. good faith). In general I don't think that you need the detail that includes a cite to a lease provision or a date/time. Just specific behavior ("noise" too ambiguous, "loud music in late evening" specific). I believe that many landlord attorneys (including me) prepare 7Days with general language and then cite to the specific noncompliance to prevent themselves from being limited to just the one specific noncompliance: "due to excessive loud noise, including but not limited to loud music in the late night hours" Again when a government subsidy is involved, consult the applicable docs, statutes and regs to see what are permissible termination reasons and the degree of detail required. Thanks for the info on the Florida Housing Finance Corporation.

I would be interested in the opinion of other listserve members.

Mike

Michael Geo. F. Davis
Attorney at Law
The MGFD Law Firm PA
Countryside Colonial Center
2753 SR 580, Suite 209
Clearwater, FL 33761-3351
P 727-726-1900
F 727-726-7440
mike@mgfdlaw.com
Primary Eservice: eservice@mgfdlaw.com

From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Martin Lawyer
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 5:25 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] How much does a N/Nonrenewal have to spell out

Yes, a specific notice is required, but not just because it's a Tax Credit property. Sec. 83.56(2), Fla. Stat., interpreted in the context of constitutional procedural due process, requires the landlord to specify the ground.

Those tax credit property residential leases approved by the Florida Housing Finance Corporation have very specific and limited grounds for eviction. However, there are numerous permitted grounds for eviction. Your landlord client is not permitted to substitute his/her/its own lease for the one approved by the State agency.

For example, a legally sufficient notice should say:

Your action constitutes a material breach of ¶ xx. of the lease, which is specifically a ground for eviction pursuant to ¶ yy. of the lease in that:

On [date] at approximately [time] at the location of ___________________ you did/failed to do __________________________ .

                  Marty

                 C. Martin (Marty) Lawyer, III
                 Florida Bar # 128095
                 Bay Area Legal Services, Inc.
                 1302  N. 19th St.,  Suite # 400
                 Tampa,  FL 33605-5230
                 (813)  232-1222, Ext.109
                  FAX:  248-9922

"Preserving Independence, Hope and Dignity"

From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Mazor
Sent: Thursday, 29 October, 2015 10:36
To: 'RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee' <landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org>
Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] How much does a N/Nonrenewal have to spell out

This residential case is driving me a bit nuts!

Property is a low income housing tax credit property. Tenant is a royal pain and Landlord would rather eat glass than renew.

I understand that landlord must have good cause, but does the notice have to list the specific good cause reasons for the nonrenewal to be valid?

In this case, prior to service of the non-renewal, tenant had previously been served with a couple dozen notices to pay or vacate as well as 7 day cure notices.

Also, tenant knew very well that landlord would not renew and the reasons - all via emails between the two.

Help!!!!!

Jeff

Jeffrey R. Mazor, Esq.

J. R. Mazor & Associates, P.A.

Presidential Circle Building

4000 Hollywood Blvd., Suite 265-s

Hollywood, FL 33021

Email: JMazor@Mazor.com mailto:JMazor@Mazor.com

Phone: 954-962-3500

Fax: 954-342-7703

Marty I believe that Jeff is speaking to nonrenewals. I think that either landlord or tenant has the absolute right to nonrenew, absent any government subsidy. Practically, landlord should have objective verifiable reasons in the file for nonrenewal. Unless it is obvious from the tenant's physical attributes, you can't tell who's in a protected class until you get the FH complaint. "Objective verifiable" to me are 7Cures (other than nonpayment noncompliances) or 3Days (nonpayment noncompliances). When a government subsidy (tax credit, sec 8, etc.) is involved, consult the applicable docs, statutes and regs to see what are permissible nonrenewal reasons and the degree of detail required. In general 7Cures and 7Terminates under 83.56(2) need detail. In general I find judges take the position "If I were the tenant did this sufficiently inform me of what I was doing or not doing wrong." I have found that most judges don't go to the constitutional issue, unless they have to. They rarely have to, since they can rely on contract law (7Day ambiguous and construed against landlord drafter) or a provision in 83 Part II (i.e. good faith). In general I don't think that you need the detail that includes a cite to a lease provision or a date/time. Just specific behavior ("noise" too ambiguous, "loud music in late evening" specific). I believe that many landlord attorneys (including me) prepare 7Days with general language and then cite to the specific noncompliance to prevent themselves from being limited to just the one specific noncompliance: "due to excessive loud noise, including but not limited to loud music in the late night hours" Again when a government subsidy is involved, consult the applicable docs, statutes and regs to see what are permissible termination reasons and the degree of detail required. Thanks for the info on the Florida Housing Finance Corporation. I would be interested in the opinion of other listserve members. Mike Michael Geo. F. Davis Attorney at Law The MGFD Law Firm PA Countryside Colonial Center 2753 SR 580, Suite 209 Clearwater, FL 33761-3351 P 727-726-1900 F 727-726-7440 mike@mgfdlaw.com Primary Eservice: eservice@mgfdlaw.com From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Martin Lawyer Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 5:25 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] How much does a N/Nonrenewal have to spell out Yes, a specific notice is required, but not just because it's a Tax Credit property. Sec. 83.56(2), Fla. Stat., interpreted in the context of constitutional procedural due process, requires the landlord to specify the ground. Those tax credit property residential leases approved by the Florida Housing Finance Corporation have very specific and limited grounds for eviction. However, there are numerous permitted grounds for eviction. Your landlord client is not permitted to substitute his/her/its own lease for the one approved by the State agency. For example, a legally sufficient notice should say: Your action constitutes a material breach of ¶ xx. of the lease, which is specifically a ground for eviction pursuant to ¶ yy. of the lease in that: On [date] at approximately [time] at the location of ___________________ you did/failed to do __________________________ . Marty C. Martin (Marty) Lawyer, III Florida Bar # 128095 Bay Area Legal Services, Inc. 1302 N. 19th St., Suite # 400 Tampa, FL 33605-5230 (813) 232-1222, Ext.109 FAX: 248-9922 "Preserving Independence, Hope and Dignity" From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Mazor Sent: Thursday, 29 October, 2015 10:36 To: 'RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee' <landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] How much does a N/Nonrenewal have to spell out This residential case is driving me a bit nuts! Property is a low income housing tax credit property. Tenant is a royal pain and Landlord would rather eat glass than renew. I understand that landlord must have good cause, but does the notice have to list the specific good cause reasons for the nonrenewal to be valid? In this case, prior to service of the non-renewal, tenant had previously been served with a couple dozen notices to pay or vacate as well as 7 day cure notices. Also, tenant knew very well that landlord would not renew and the reasons - all via emails between the two. Help!!!!! Jeff Jeffrey R. Mazor, Esq. J. R. Mazor & Associates, P.A. Presidential Circle Building 4000 Hollywood Blvd., Suite 265-s Hollywood, FL 33021 Email: JMazor@Mazor.com<mailto:JMazor@Mazor.com> Phone: 954-962-3500 Fax: 954-342-7703