Please provide any comments you may have on this proposed bill.
This is another in a series of attempts to charge tenants for unpaid
condominium assessments and grant associations eviction rights, although
why they chose to put it in 83.46 is unclear. Subsection (b) includes
all owner's monetary obligations to the association, not just
assessments. The association has broad powers to deny or withhold
common area use by the tenant other than access or ingress.
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From: Alan Fields [mailto:abfields@mindspring.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:29 PM
To: Freedman, Robert S.; kfernandez@kfernandez.fdn.com;
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Cc: mjgelfand@gelfandarpe.com; Meyer, George J.;
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Subject: HB 329 Condo Assessments Bank Payments
Here is another bill for comment from your respective
committees.
This bill requires certain tenants to pay rent moneys owed
directly to association. This is placed in chapter 84, which may be
the wrong place; allows association to deny vote, use of property and
common areas; requires mortgagee to request estoppel letter from
association and pay fee for the estoppels of up to $50 prior to filing
foreclosure action under penalty of dismissal; Requires lender to pay
association 6 months of assessments w/I 30 days after filing foreclosure
suit. (Glitch, it appears to require this whether the assessments are
current or not). If foreclosure is still pending after 1 year,
mortgagee pays all outstanding assessments and all future assessments.
Penalty for non-payment is dismissal of foreclosure and attorney fees to
association.
I recommend opposition as this increases exposure of banks and
will limit future lending against condominium projects and may push
Florida condos outside of Fannie/Freddie guidelines and a technical
change to move most of chapter 84 provisions to 718, including only a
cross reference in chapter 84.
Happy New Year.
Alan B. Fields
1129 Venetian Harbor Drive NE
St. Petersburg, FL 33702
813-421-3821
c) 727-773-6664
abfields@mindspring.com
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Two issues jump out at me:
They are making the tenant jointly and severally liable for
association payments, albeit limited to the amounts payable under the
lease to the Landlord. The sentence about prepaid rent is going to cause
problems and arguments, especially when the tenant tries to set off a
security deposit because they fear that the Landlord won't be around to
return in.
More troublesome is the language in the Condo section where they
allow the association to deny an owner the right to occupy and grant a
right to tow a vehicle from the owner's parking space. I thought that
divestment of the ownership rights was the foreclosure or eviction
process.
Beware granting more power to the associations!
David Weisman
David Weisman
Board Certified Real Estate Lawyer
Greenspoon Marder, P.A.
Trade Center South, Suite 700
100 West Cypress Creek Road
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33309
Phone 954-491-1120
Toll Free 888-491-1120
Direct Phone 954-343-6941
Direct Fax 954-343-6942
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Shoter
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:53 AM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Cc: Frank, Scott A.
Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] FW: HB 329 Condo Assessments Bank Payments
Please provide any comments you may have on this proposed bill.
This is another in a series of attempts to charge tenants for unpaid
condominium assessments and grant associations eviction rights, although
why they chose to put it in 83.46 is unclear. Subsection (b) includes
all owner's monetary obligations to the association, not just
assessments. The association has broad powers to deny or withhold
common area use by the tenant other than access or ingress.
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Shutts & Bowen LLP
1100 CityPlace Tower, 525 Okeechobee Boulevard | West Palm Beach, FL
33401
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From: Alan Fields [mailto:abfields@mindspring.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:29 PM
To: Freedman, Robert S.; kfernandez@kfernandez.fdn.com;
homer.duvall@hklaw.com; 'Salome Zikakis'; wsobien@firstam.com
Cc: mjgelfand@gelfandarpe.com; Meyer, George J.;
jbn@floridalandlaw.com
Subject: HB 329 Condo Assessments Bank Payments
Here is another bill for comment from your respective
committees.
This bill requires certain tenants to pay rent moneys owed
directly to association. This is placed in chapter 84, which may be
the wrong place; allows association to deny vote, use of property and
common areas; requires mortgagee to request estoppel letter from
association and pay fee for the estoppels of up to $50 prior to filing
foreclosure action under penalty of dismissal; Requires lender to pay
association 6 months of assessments w/I 30 days after filing foreclosure
suit. (Glitch, it appears to require this whether the assessments are
current or not). If foreclosure is still pending after 1 year,
mortgagee pays all outstanding assessments and all future assessments.
Penalty for non-payment is dismissal of foreclosure and attorney fees to
association.
I recommend opposition as this increases exposure of banks and
will limit future lending against condominium projects and may push
Florida condos outside of Fannie/Freddie guidelines and a technical
change to move most of chapter 84 provisions to 718, including only a
cross reference in chapter 84.
Happy New Year.
Alan B. Fields
1129 Venetian Harbor Drive NE
St. Petersburg, FL 33702
813-421-3821
c) 727-773-6664
abfields@mindspring.com
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Hello All,
It would be good to get in touch with whoever is pushing this and find out
who their lobbyist is so we can work together sooner rather than later on
any adjustments.
So far now we have the foreclosure bill, the domestic violence bill and this
bill to deal with.
The domestic violence bill is back after being successfully defeated last
year and the proponents have refused to remove the language in it that will
prevent a landlord from denying an applicant even if it is found out that
the applicant was a cause of or active participant in incidents of domestic
violence, damage to property, injury to persons etc. As long as a person is
defined as a "domestic violence victim" they can get out of a lease
obligation. This is major. The domestic violence bill creates a "super"
protected class unlike no other and will be in FS 83 if passed.
Please see
http://www.flsenate.gov/data/session/2010/Senate/bills/billtext/pdf/s0786.pd
f
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[mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of David Weisman
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:19 AM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Cc: Frank, Scott A.
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] FW: HB 329 Condo Assessments Bank Payments
Two issues jump out at me:
They are making the tenant jointly and severally liable for
association payments, albeit limited to the amounts payable under the lease
to the Landlord. The sentence about prepaid rent is going to cause problems
and arguments, especially when the tenant tries to set off a security
deposit because they fear that the Landlord won't be around to return in.
More troublesome is the language in the Condo section where they
allow the association to deny an owner the right to occupy and grant a right
to tow a vehicle from the owner's parking space. I thought that divestment
of the ownership rights was the foreclosure or eviction process.
Beware granting more power to the associations!
David Weisman
David Weisman
Board Certified Real Estate Lawyer
Greenspoon Marder, P.A.
Trade Center South, Suite 700
100 West Cypress Creek Road
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33309
Phone 954-491-1120
Toll Free 888-491-1120
Direct Phone 954-343-6941
Direct Fax 954-343-6942
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Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:53 AM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Cc: Frank, Scott A.
Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] FW: HB 329 Condo Assessments Bank Payments
Please provide any comments you may have on this proposed bill.
This is another in a series of attempts to charge tenants for unpaid
condominium assessments and grant associations eviction rights, although why
they chose to put it in 83.46 is unclear. Subsection (b) includes all
owner's monetary obligations to the association, not just assessments. The
association has broad powers to deny or withhold common area use by the
tenant other than access or ingress.
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From: Alan Fields [mailto:abfields@mindspring.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:29 PM
To: Freedman, Robert S.; kfernandez@kfernandez.fdn.com;
homer.duvall@hklaw.com; 'Salome Zikakis'; wsobien@firstam.com
Cc: mjgelfand@gelfandarpe.com; Meyer, George J.; jbn@floridalandlaw.com
Subject: HB 329 Condo Assessments Bank Payments
Here is another bill for comment from your respective committees.
This bill requires certain tenants to pay rent moneys owed directly to
association. This is placed in chapter 84, which may be the wrong place;
allows association to deny vote, use of property and common areas; requires
mortgagee to request estoppel letter from association and pay fee for the
estoppels of up to $50 prior to filing foreclosure action under penalty of
dismissal; Requires lender to pay association 6 months of assessments w/I 30
days after filing foreclosure suit. (Glitch, it appears to require this
whether the assessments are current or not). If foreclosure is still
pending after 1 year, mortgagee pays all outstanding assessments and all
future assessments. Penalty for non-payment is dismissal of foreclosure and
attorney fees to association.
I recommend opposition as this increases exposure of banks and will limit
future lending against condominium projects and may push Florida condos
outside of Fannie/Freddie guidelines and a technical change to move most of
chapter 84 provisions to 718, including only a cross reference in chapter
84.
Happy New Year.
Alan B. Fields
1129 Venetian Harbor Drive NE
St. Petersburg, FL 33702
813-421-3821
c) 727-773-6664
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This bill is great for associations, but quite a burden on the other parties concerned (i.e. tenants and lenders). Once the public becomes aware of its practical effects, it will probably have quite a chilling effect on the ability to rent condo units altogether. What do you think it's chances of passing are?
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Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] FW: HB 329 Condo Assessments Bank Payments
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Please provide any comments you may have on this proposed bill.
This is another in a series of attempts to charge tenants for unpaid condominium assessments and grant associations eviction rights, although why they chose to put it in 83.46 is unclear. Subsection (b) includes all owner's monetary obligations to the association, not just assessments. The association has broad powers to deny or withhold common area use by the tenant other than access or ingress.
Neil B. Shoter
Partner / LEED Accredited Professional
Shutts & Bowen LLP
1100 CityPlace Tower, 525 Okeechobee Boulevard | West Palm Beach, FL 33401
Direct: (561) 650-8535 | Fax: (561) 822-5525
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From: Alan Fields [mailto:abfields@mindspring.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:29 PM
To: Freedman, Robert S.; kfernandez@kfernandez.fdn.com; homer.duvall@hklaw.com; 'Salome Zikakis'; wsobien@firstam.com
Cc: mjgelfand@gelfandarpe.com; Meyer, George J.; jbn@floridalandlaw.com
Subject: HB 329 Condo Assessments Bank Payments
Here is another bill for comment from your respective committees.
This bill requires certain tenants to pay rent moneys owed directly to association. This is placed in chapter 84, which may be the wrong place; allows association to deny vote, use of property and common areas; requires mortgagee to request estoppel letter from association and pay fee for the estoppels of up to $50 prior to filing foreclosure action under penalty of dismissal; Requires lender to pay association 6 months of assessments w/I 30 days after filing foreclosure suit. (Glitch, it appears to require this whether the assessments are current or not). If foreclosure is still pending after 1 year, mortgagee pays all outstanding assessments and all future assessments. Penalty for non-payment is dismissal of foreclosure and attorney fees to association.
I recommend opposition as this increases exposure of banks and will limit future lending against condominium projects and may push Florida condos outside of Fannie/Freddie guidelines and a technical change to move most of chapter 84 provisions to 718, including only a cross reference in chapter 84.
Happy New Year.
Alan B. Fields
1129 Venetian Harbor Drive NE
St. Petersburg, FL 33702
813-421-3821
c) 727-773-6664
abfields@mindspring.com
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many changes to Section 83, if it does not get fought or tied up in too many
committees, it will pass.
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Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:53 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] FW: HB 329 Condo Assessments Bank Payments
This bill is great for associations, but quite a burden on the other parties
concerned (i.e. tenants and lenders). Once the public becomes aware of its
practical effects, it will probably have quite a chilling effect on the
ability to rent condo units altogether. What do you think it's chances of
passing are?
Cary
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From: Neil B. Shoter NShoter@shutts.com
Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] FW: HB 329 Condo Assessments Bank Payments
To: "RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee" landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Cc: "Frank, Scott A." SAFrank@arnstein.com
Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 9:52 AM
Please provide any comments you may have on this proposed bill.
This is another in a series of attempts to charge tenants for unpaid
condominium assessments and grant associations eviction rights, although why
they chose to put it in 83.46 is unclear. Subsection (b) includes all
owner's monetary obligations to the association, not just assessments. The
association has broad powers to deny or withhold common area use by the
tenant other than access or ingress.
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From: Alan Fields [mailto:abfields@mindspring.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:29 PM
To: Freedman, Robert S.; kfernandez@kfernandez.fdn.com;
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Cc: mjgelfand@gelfandarpe.com; Meyer, George J.; jbn@floridalandlaw.com
Subject: HB 329 Condo Assessments Bank Payments
Here is another bill for comment from your respective committees.
This bill requires certain tenants to pay rent moneys owed directly to
association. This is placed in chapter 84, which may be the wrong place;
allows association to deny vote, use of property and common areas; requires
mortgagee to request estoppel letter from association and pay fee for the
estoppels of up to $50 prior to filing foreclosure action under penalty of
dismissal; Requires lender to pay association 6 months of assessments w/I 30
days after filing foreclosure suit. (Glitch, it appears to require this
whether the assessments are current or not). If foreclosure is still
pending after 1 year, mortgagee pays all outstanding assessments and all
future assessments. Penalty for non-payment is dismissal of foreclosure and
attorney fees to association.
I recommend opposition as this increases exposure of banks and will limit
future lending against condominium projects and may push Florida condos
outside of Fannie/Freddie guidelines and a technical change to move most of
chapter 84 provisions to 718, including only a cross reference in chapter
84.
Happy New Year.
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This is not a good bill. I certainly understand the need to keep associations financially afloat in the wake of the foreclosure crisis, but this is quite expansive, sloppily written and abrogates a host of other legal rights.
Holding tenants jointly and severally liable for a unit owner's delinquencies is ridiculous. Imagine being an innocent tenant, not knowing your landlord is behind on assessments, and then one day having the bill handed to you. Good luck trying to rent your condo unit once realtors and the media pick up on this.
As far as the association's ability to evict the tenant for non-payment, the proposed language does not reference or incorporate Chapter 83. Was this intended to be some type of new eviction procedure that bypasses Chapter 83's requirements? Given that eviction under Chapter 83 first requires the existence of a lease between the parties, how would the association even be able to use that mechanism? If they're hell-bent on going this route, they need to amend Chapter 83, as well.
Direct payment of rent to the association would be acceptable, but there MUST be proper protections for the tenant:
There should first be a required warning notice at least 30 or 60 days before direct payment can take effect, such as:. "Your landlord is behind on assessments; if the balance is not paid by [date], you will be required to start paying rent directly to the association pursuant to Florida Statute 83.46. If you have questions, please call [association or property manager phone number]"
Then there would be second notice once that date passes officially requiring the tenant to begin paying the association.
Required forms should be provided in the statute (so associations don't add extra threats or misstate the law).
Finally, all associations should be required to provide an explanation of this process as part of the approval application process.
Associations' failure to provide the above notices is a defense to any actions against the tenant. There's going to be chaos for a while if this is implemented, and it should be incumbent on the association to inform tenants that LL-T law now works differently in a condo.
There also needs to be clear language that once this rent provision is invoked, the landlord loses the right to sue the tenant for non-payment. Otherwise, there's potential liability to the landlord when the tenant is doing what's required by the association (and if not liability, then a confusing gray area that could lead to wasteful litigation).
The proposed amendments to 718.106 are rather disturbing in their reach. As David Weisman points out, it subverts the foreclosure and eviction processes and allows the association to bar an owner or tenant from his or her unit without due process.
Examples of sloppy drafting:
83.46(4)(b) and (4)(b)(1) are quite clear that a tenant is jointly and severally liable for ALL of the unit owner's association debts, including costs and attorney's fees. Yet it would seem that 83.46(4)(b)(2) then limits that liability to the amount a tenant actually owes a landlord. If indeed that was the intent, I don't get why they wouldn't just include that limitation earlier, rather than sticking it in after the broadly expansive subsections that repeatedly use "all."
This might be kind of wonkish, but the language added to 718.116(2) about "denial of the use or enjoyment" is grammatically wrong. The implied antecedent in the existing language was the unit owner, but in the added language it's the association. They don't fit. This is how one would read the amendment: "Liability ... may not be avoided by [the unit owner's] waiver of the use or enjoyment of any common element, [the unit owner's] denial of the use or enjoyment ... or by [the unit owner's] abandonment of the unit." The denial part should be separated and specify that it applies to the association's denial.
The statute should simply stop at having tenants pay rent to the associations, with proper procedures and protections. Forget this automatic liability for someone else's debts or putting people out of their homes.
Shane Weaver, Esq.
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Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] FW: HB 329 Condo Assessments Bank Payments
Please provide any comments you may have on this proposed bill.
This is another in a series of attempts to charge tenants for unpaid condominium assessments and grant associations eviction rights, although why they chose to put it in 83.46 is unclear. Subsection (b) includes all owner's monetary obligations to the association, not just assessments. The association has broad powers to deny or withhold common area use by the tenant other than access or ingress.
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From: Alan Fields [mailto:abfields@mindspring.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:29 PM
To: Freedman, Robert S.; kfernandez@kfernandez.fdn.com; homer.duvall@hklaw.com; 'Salome Zikakis'; wsobien@firstam.com
Cc: mjgelfand@gelfandarpe.com; Meyer, George J.; jbn@floridalandlaw.com
Subject: HB 329 Condo Assessments Bank Payments
Here is another bill for comment from your respective committees.
This bill requires certain tenants to pay rent moneys owed directly to association. This is placed in chapter 84, which may be the wrong place; allows association to deny vote, use of property and common areas; requires mortgagee to request estoppel letter from association and pay fee for the estoppels of up to $50 prior to filing foreclosure action under penalty of dismissal; Requires lender to pay association 6 months of assessments w/I 30 days after filing foreclosure suit. (Glitch, it appears to require this whether the assessments are current or not). If foreclosure is still pending after 1 year, mortgagee pays all outstanding assessments and all future assessments. Penalty for non-payment is dismissal of foreclosure and attorney fees to association.
I recommend opposition as this increases exposure of banks and will limit future lending against condominium projects and may push Florida condos outside of Fannie/Freddie guidelines and a technical change to move most of chapter 84 provisions to 718, including only a cross reference in chapter 84.
Happy New Year.
Alan B. Fields
1129 Venetian Harbor Drive NE
St. Petersburg, FL 33702
813-421-3821
c) 727-773-6664
abfields@mindspring.com
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