Based on my reading and understanding of the statute and experience in court, email not would not be sufficient. I've always been under the belief that that type of notice must be either hand delivery or by certified mail.
I would love to hear if anyone has knowledge or authority otherwise as this question comes up all the time nowadays.
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Would like to get feedback on whether you believe e-mail notice to terminate a month to month residential tenancy is sufficient. Facts are straightforward. Standard FAR Residential lease. Notice provision for both landlord and tenant gives physical addresses. Landlord and tenant's emails are listed on lease. Most prior communications between L&T are via e-mail. Tenant gives notice to landlord via e-mail that they are terminating and leaving at end of next monthly period. Landlord says OK. Then shortly before tenant is to vacate, tenant sends e-mail stating they are not leaving. I found one Florida Laws Supplement case from 2007 that held the e-mail notice was sufficient under the same statute. Anybody litigate this issue before?
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Generally, I agree with Attorney Sabol, however, under the specific
facts presented by Attorney Caruso, a paying-Client should be satisfied
if you argued that under the facts presented the form of service, sans
other defects, should become a non-issue for the following two (2)
narrowly-tailored reasons:
[1] first, under what caselaw seems to indicate is ironclad Florida law,
the doctrine of waiver (and related/derivative theories) will cut against
any such objection to service because both parties explicitly acted in
conjunction with this form of service under the instantaneously applicable
situation (generally meaning there was no later *mutual *deviation from the
situation e.g., rent was paid by tenant for another month and landlord (as
they are prone to do) accepts it);
[2] second and, more importantly, the parties clearly agreed in writing,
though via email, on a termination date. There is a juggernaut argument
that says that this is a lease agreement and when the expiration date
came there was no need for any further action for the lease to terminate
provided nothing else happened (see rental payment scenario infra). See
F.S. 83.43 (7) (Definitions: rental agreement); F.S. 83.46 (2) (duration of
tenancies).
Other than that, I really don't know what to tell ya.
Hegel Laurent, ESQ.
Laurent Law Office, P.L.
One Biscayne Place
11098 Biscayne Blvd., Ste. 401
Miami, FL 33161
Ph: 786. 453. 7198 <(786)%20453-7198> // F: 786.233.6169 <(786)%20233-6169>
On Jan 17, 2017 4:01 PM, "Cary P. Sabol, Esq." csabol@sabollaw.com wrote:
Based on my reading and understanding of the statute and experience in
court, email not would not be sufficient. I've always been under the
belief that that type of notice must be either hand delivery or by
certified mail.
I would love to hear if anyone has knowledge or authority otherwise as this
question comes up all the time nowadays.
Cary
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Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] E-mail Notice
From: "Daniel S. Carusi, Esq." dcarusi@carusilaw.com
Date: Tue, January 17, 2017 3:46 pm
To: "landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org" landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Would like to get feedback on whether you believe e-mail notice to
terminate a month to month residential tenancy is sufficient. Facts are
straightforward. Standard FAR Residential lease. Notice provision for both
landlord and tenant gives physical addresses. Landlord and tenant's emails
are listed on lease. Most prior communications between L&T are via e-mail.
Tenant gives notice to landlord via e-mail that they are terminating and
leaving at end of next monthly period. Landlord says OK. Then shortly
before tenant is to vacate, tenant sends e-mail stating they are not
leaving. I found one Florida Laws Supplement case from 2007 that held the
e-mail notice was sufficient under the same statute. Anybody litigate this
issue before?
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SERVICEPLEADINGS@CARUSILAW.COM PLEADINGS@VOVALAW.COM.
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Is this the case you reference? If so, the dissent is pretty persuasive and I go with the dissent.
PHILLIP R. HARARI, Appellant, vs. JULES P. WHITFORD, Appellee. Circuit Court,15th Judicial Circuit (Appellate) in and for Palm Beach County.http://www.floridalawweekly.com/flwonline/?page=showfile&fromsearch=1&file=../supfiles/issues/vol14/701a.htm&query=%2214+Fla.+L.+Weekly+Supp.+701a%22&altdoc=true&fromeh=true
Landlord-tenant -- Eviction -- Notice -- E-mail constitutes mailing sufficient to satisfy statutory requirement of mailing written notice whenever contract or course of dealing between parties estab...
Citation: 14 Fla. L. Weekly Supp. 701a
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Generally, I agree with Attorney Sabol, however, under the specific facts presented by Attorney Caruso, a paying-Client should be satisfied if you argued that under the facts presented the form of service, sans other defects, should become a non-issue for the following two (2) narrowly-tailored reasons:
[1] first, under what caselaw seems to indicate is ironclad Florida law, the doctrine of waiver (and related/derivative theories) will cut against any such objection to service because both parties explicitly acted in conjunction with this form of service under the instantaneously applicable situation (generally meaning there was no later mutual deviation from the situation e.g., rent was paid by tenant for another month and landlord (as they are prone to do) accepts it);
[2] second and, more importantly, the parties clearly agreed in writing, though via email, on a termination date. There is a juggernaut argument that says that this is a lease agreement and when the expiration date came there was no need for any further action for the lease to terminate provided nothing else happened (see rental payment scenario infra). See F.S. 83.43 (7) (Definitions: rental agreement); F.S. 83.46 (2) (duration of tenancies).
Other than that, I really don't know what to tell ya.
Hegel Laurent, ESQ.
Laurent Law Office, P.L.
One Biscayne Place
11098 Biscayne Blvd., Ste. 401
Miami, FL 33161
Ph: 786. 453. 7198tel:(786)%20453-7198 // F: 786.233.6169tel:(786)%20233-6169
On Jan 17, 2017 4:01 PM, "Cary P. Sabol, Esq." <csabol@sabollaw.commailto:csabol@sabollaw.com> wrote:
Based on my reading and understanding of the statute and experience in court, email not would not be sufficient. I've always been under the belief that that type of notice must be either hand delivery or by certified mail.
I would love to hear if anyone has knowledge or authority otherwise as this question comes up all the time nowadays.
Cary
Cary P. Sabol, Esq. J.D. (2001), LLM (2009)
Law Offices of Cary P. Sabol
P.O. Box 15981 | West Palm Beach | Florida | 33416
Office: (561) 413-4449tel:(561)%20413-4449
Cell: (561) 281-2744tel:(561)%20281-2744
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Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] E-mail Notice
From: "Daniel S. Carusi, Esq." <dcarusi@carusilaw.commailto:dcarusi@carusilaw.com>
Date: Tue, January 17, 2017 3:46 pm
To: "landten@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org" <landten@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org>
Would like to get feedback on whether you believe e-mail notice to terminate a month to month residential tenancy is sufficient. Facts are straightforward. Standard FAR Residential lease. Notice provision for both landlord and tenant gives physical addresses. Landlord and tenant's emails are listed on lease. Most prior communications between L&T are via e-mail. Tenant gives notice to landlord via e-mail that they are terminating and leaving at end of next monthly period. Landlord says OK. Then shortly before tenant is to vacate, tenant sends e-mail stating they are not leaving. I found one Florida Laws Supplement case from 2007 that held the e-mail notice was sufficient under the same statute. Anybody litigate this issue before?
DO NOT SEND NOTICES, MOTIONS OR PLEADINGS TO THE SENDER’S E-MAIL ADDRESS. DOING SO DOES NOT CONSTITUTE LEGAL NOTICE AS REQUIRED BY THE RULES OF COURT. ALL SUCH NOTICES, PLEADINGS OR MOTIONS MUST BE SENT TO SERVICEPLEADINGS@CARUSILAW.COMmailto:PLEADINGS@VOVALAW.COM.
Daniel S. Carusi, Esq.
Daniel S. Carusi. P.A.
517 SW 1 Avenue
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301
954.527.0101tel:(954)%20527-0101
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