Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license

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George Truitt
Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:04 PM

There is strong case law for the proposition that an owner has no site safety responsibilities to contractor's employees for areas of the property under the contractor's control, unless the owner supervises the contractor's work or dictates means and methods. City of Miami v. Perez is a good example.

489.128 speaks in terms of barring any recovery in law or equity for unlicensed contracting, though I have never seen it used as a defense to a personal injury claim.

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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license

Unlicensed contracting is a crime.  I'm not sure what impact that has on the homeowner's claimed liability, but it is worth considering.

On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:29 PM, "Richard A. Burt" <dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.commailto:dick@burt-burt.com%3cmailto:dick@burt-burt.com>> wrote:

The contractor is suing in tort, not contract.

Neither FS 489.128 (dealing with enforceability of a contract for construction), nor the (oral) contract (which does not address/allocate liability for personal injury), nor case law (see Tiara) bars a tort claim arising out of an injury.  Subject to workers compensation statutes (of which I know nothing), in my opinion, the tort claim survives even though a contract claim would be barred.

The duty issue might depend upon the homeowner's relationship with the claimant: is the claimant an 'employee' or an 'independent contractor'?

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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license

Dovetailing off Mr. Sakwa's post...

Homeowner hires an unlicensed contractor/handyman to perform remedial work, including roofing repair work. The unlicensed contractor/handyman does not have safety fall protection while performing the roofing repair work, falls off the Homeowner's roof, lands on his feet and breaks his foot. The unlicensed contractor/handyman now sues the Homeowner for negligence asserting, among other things, that the Homeowner owed the unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and provide safety fall protection.

Questions:

  1.   Is such a negligence claim arguably barred because he is an unlicensed contractor? If not, can his failure to be licensed under ch. 489, F.S. serve as evidence of negligence for purposes of comparative negligence?
    
  2.   As a threshold issue, does a Homeowner owe an unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and/or provide fall protection?
    

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks.

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Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license

Is anyone aware of a case that holds that a subcontractor who does not have a certificate of competency for a specialty trade that is required by a county ordinance, but not 489, is barred from enforcing its contract or lien rights?

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There is strong case law for the proposition that an owner has no site safety responsibilities to contractor's employees for areas of the property under the contractor's control, unless the owner supervises the contractor's work or dictates means and methods. City of Miami v. Perez is a good example. 489.128 speaks in terms of barring any recovery in law or equity for unlicensed contracting, though I have never seen it used as a defense to a personal injury claim. -----Original Message----- From: Roberts, Hardy L. [mailto:hroberts@carltonfields.com] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 9:11 PM To: Richard A. Burt Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license Unlicensed contracting is a crime. I'm not sure what impact that has on the homeowner's claimed liability, but it is worth considering. On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:29 PM, "Richard A. Burt" <dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.com%3cmailto:dick@burt-burt.com>>> wrote: The contractor is suing in tort, not contract. Neither FS 489.128 (dealing with enforceability of a contract for construction), nor the (oral) contract (which does not address/allocate liability for personal injury), nor case law (see Tiara) bars a tort claim arising out of an injury. Subject to workers compensation statutes (of which I know nothing), in my opinion, the tort claim survives even though a contract claim would be barred. The duty issue might depend upon the homeowner's relationship with the claimant: is the claimant an 'employee' or an 'independent contractor'? From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Sean A. Mickley Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:11 PM To: 'Sakwa, Stuart H.'; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license Dovetailing off Mr. Sakwa's post... Homeowner hires an unlicensed contractor/handyman to perform remedial work, including roofing repair work. The unlicensed contractor/handyman does not have safety fall protection while performing the roofing repair work, falls off the Homeowner's roof, lands on his feet and breaks his foot. The unlicensed contractor/handyman now sues the Homeowner for negligence asserting, among other things, that the Homeowner owed the unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and provide safety fall protection. Questions: 1. Is such a negligence claim arguably barred because he is an unlicensed contractor? If not, can his failure to be licensed under ch. 489, F.S. serve as evidence of negligence for purposes of comparative negligence? 2. As a threshold issue, does a Homeowner owe an unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and/or provide fall protection? Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. <image001.jpg> Sean A. Mickley, Esq. Gould Cooksey Fennell 979 Beachland Boulevard Vero Beach, FL 32963 Telephone 772-231-1100 Fax 772-231-2020 smickley@gouldcooksey.com<mailto:smickley@gouldcooksey.com<mailto:smickley@gouldcooksey.com%3cmailto:smickley@gouldcooksey.com>> The information contained in this transmission is attorney privileged and confidential. It is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, do not read it. 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Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:04 AM

But, there is also the Johnson case that changes "the buyer beware," to "the seller beware."It sounds like you have a good action against the seller.

As to the inspection Company please consider That there may be a fiduciary relationship between you and the inspection company and if the termite damage was so open and obvious as you say, there may have been a breach of fiduciary duty to you. I would think that at least, the inspection Company had a duty to put you on inquiry notice

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On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:04 AM, George Truitt George.Truitt@csklegal.com wrote:

There is strong case law for the proposition that an owner has no site safety responsibilities to contractor's employees for areas of the property under the contractor's control, unless the owner supervises the contractor's work or dictates  means and methods. City of Miami v. Perez is a good example.

489.128 speaks in terms of barring any recovery in law or equity for unlicensed contracting, though I have never seen it used as a defense to a personal injury claim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Roberts, Hardy L. [mailto:hroberts@carltonfields.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 9:11 PM
To: Richard A. Burt
Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license

Unlicensed contracting is a crime.  I'm not sure what impact that has on the homeowner's claimed liability, but it is worth considering.

On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:29 PM, "Richard A. Burt" <dick@burt-burt.commailto:dick@burt-burt.com> wrote:

The contractor is suing in tort, not contract.

Neither FS 489.128 (dealing with enforceability of a contract for construction), nor the (oral) contract (which does not address/allocate liability for personal injury), nor case law (see Tiara) bars a tort claim arising out of an injury.  Subject to workers compensation statutes (of which I know nothing), in my opinion, the tort claim survives even though a contract claim would be barred.

The duty issue might depend upon the homeowner’s relationship with the claimant: is the claimant an ‘employee’ or an ‘independent contractor’?

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Sean A. Mickley
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Dovetailing off Mr. Sakwa’s post…

Homeowner hires an unlicensed contractor/handyman to perform remedial work, including roofing repair work. The unlicensed contractor/handyman does not have safety fall protection while performing the roofing repair work, falls off the Homeowner’s roof, lands on his feet and breaks his foot. The unlicensed contractor/handyman now sues the Homeowner for negligence asserting, among other things, that the Homeowner owed the unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and provide safety fall protection.

Questions:

  1.   Is such a negligence claim arguably barred because he is an unlicensed contractor? If not, can his failure to be licensed under ch. 489, F.S. serve as evidence of negligence for purposes of comparative negligence?
    
  2.   As a threshold issue, does a Homeowner owe an unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and/or provide fall protection?
    

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks.

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Is anyone aware of a case that holds that a subcontractor who does not have a certificate of competency for a specialty trade that is required by a county ordinance, but not 489, is barred from enforcing its contract or lien rights?

Stuart H Sakwa
Attorney at Law
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But, there is also the Johnson case that changes "the buyer beware," to "the seller beware."It sounds like you have a good action against the seller. As to the inspection Company please consider That there may be a fiduciary relationship between you and the inspection company and if the termite damage was so open and obvious as you say, there may have been a breach of fiduciary duty to you. I would think that at least, the inspection Company had a duty to put you on inquiry notice Sent from my iPhone On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:04 AM, George Truitt <George.Truitt@csklegal.com> wrote: > There is strong case law for the proposition that an owner has no site safety responsibilities to contractor's employees for areas of the property under the contractor's control, unless the owner supervises the contractor's work or dictates means and methods. City of Miami v. Perez is a good example. > > 489.128 speaks in terms of barring any recovery in law or equity for unlicensed contracting, though I have never seen it used as a defense to a personal injury claim. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roberts, Hardy L. [mailto:hroberts@carltonfields.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 9:11 PM > To: Richard A. Burt > Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org > Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license > > Unlicensed contracting is a crime. I'm not sure what impact that has on the homeowner's claimed liability, but it is worth considering. > > On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:29 PM, "Richard A. Burt" <dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.com>> wrote: > > The contractor is suing in tort, not contract. > > Neither FS 489.128 (dealing with enforceability of a contract for construction), nor the (oral) contract (which does not address/allocate liability for personal injury), nor case law (see Tiara) bars a tort claim arising out of an injury. Subject to workers compensation statutes (of which I know nothing), in my opinion, the tort claim survives even though a contract claim would be barred. > > The duty issue might depend upon the homeowner’s relationship with the claimant: is the claimant an ‘employee’ or an ‘independent contractor’? > > > From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Sean A. Mickley > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:11 PM > To: 'Sakwa, Stuart H.'; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> > Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license > > Dovetailing off Mr. Sakwa’s post… > > Homeowner hires an unlicensed contractor/handyman to perform remedial work, including roofing repair work. The unlicensed contractor/handyman does not have safety fall protection while performing the roofing repair work, falls off the Homeowner’s roof, lands on his feet and breaks his foot. The unlicensed contractor/handyman now sues the Homeowner for negligence asserting, among other things, that the Homeowner owed the unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and provide safety fall protection. > > Questions: > > > 1. Is such a negligence claim arguably barred because he is an unlicensed contractor? If not, can his failure to be licensed under ch. 489, F.S. serve as evidence of negligence for purposes of comparative negligence? > > 2. As a threshold issue, does a Homeowner owe an unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and/or provide fall protection? > > Any input would be appreciated. > > Thanks. > > > <image001.jpg> > > Sean A. Mickley, Esq. > > > Gould Cooksey Fennell > > 979 Beachland Boulevard > > Vero Beach, FL 32963 > > Telephone 772-231-1100 Fax 772-231-2020 > > smickley@gouldcooksey.com<mailto:smickley@gouldcooksey.com> > > The information contained in this transmission is attorney privileged and confidential. It is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, do not read it. 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I don't think you can have it both ways. If the condition was so obvious the inspector should have seen it and notified the buyer than I wonder how it can be the type of hidden latent condition that Johnson addresses. I don't believe Johnson covers latent defects that could have been discovered if the buyer had exercised reasonable due diligence.
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But, there is also the Johnson case that changes "the buyer beware," to "the seller beware."It sounds like you have a good action against the seller.

As to the inspection Company please consider That there may be a fiduciary relationship between you and the inspection company and if the termite damage was so open and obvious as you say, there may have been a breach of fiduciary duty to you. I would think that at least, the inspection Company had a duty to put you on inquiry notice

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On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:04 AM, George Truitt <George.Truitt@csklegal.commailto:George.Truitt@csklegal.com> wrote:

There is strong case law for the proposition that an owner has no site safety responsibilities to contractor's employees for areas of the property under the contractor's control, unless the owner supervises the contractor's work or dictates means and methods. City of Miami v. Perez is a good example.

489.128 speaks in terms of barring any recovery in law or equity for unlicensed contracting, though I have never seen it used as a defense to a personal injury claim.

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Unlicensed contracting is a crime.  I'm not sure what impact that has on the homeowner's claimed liability, but it is worth considering.

On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:29 PM, "Richard A. Burt" <dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.commailto:dick@burt-burt.com%3cmailto:dick@burt-burt.com>> wrote:

The contractor is suing in tort, not contract.

Neither FS 489.128 (dealing with enforceability of a contract for construction), nor the (oral) contract (which does not address/allocate liability for personal injury), nor case law (see Tiara) bars a tort claim arising out of an injury.  Subject to workers compensation statutes (of which I know nothing), in my opinion, the tort claim survives even though a contract claim would be barred.

The duty issue might depend upon the homeowner’s relationship with the claimant: is the claimant an ‘employee’ or an ‘independent contractor’?

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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license

Dovetailing off Mr. Sakwa’s post…

Homeowner hires an unlicensed contractor/handyman to perform remedial work, including roofing repair work. The unlicensed contractor/handyman does not have safety fall protection while performing the roofing repair work, falls off the Homeowner’s roof, lands on his feet and breaks his foot. The unlicensed contractor/handyman now sues the Homeowner for negligence asserting, among other things, that the Homeowner owed the unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and provide safety fall protection.

Questions:

  1.   Is such a negligence claim arguably barred because he is an unlicensed contractor? If not, can his failure to be licensed under ch. 489, F.S. serve as evidence of negligence for purposes of comparative negligence?
    
  2.   As a threshold issue, does a Homeowner owe an unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and/or provide fall protection?
    

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks.

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Is anyone aware of a case that holds that a subcontractor who does not have a certificate of competency for a specialty trade that is required by a county ordinance, but not 489, is barred from enforcing its contract or lien rights?

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I don't think you can have it both ways. If the condition was so obvious the inspector should have seen it and notified the buyer than I wonder how it can be the type of hidden latent condition that Johnson addresses. I don't believe Johnson covers latent defects that could have been discovered if the buyer had exercised reasonable due diligence. George George J. Meyer Office: 813-223-7000 -----Original Message----- From: Paul V. DeBianchi [debianchi236@bellsouth.net] Received: Saturday, 29 Jun 2013, 1:08am To: George Truitt [George.Truitt@csklegal.com] CC: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org [clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org] Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license But, there is also the Johnson case that changes "the buyer beware," to "the seller beware."It sounds like you have a good action against the seller. As to the inspection Company please consider That there may be a fiduciary relationship between you and the inspection company and if the termite damage was so open and obvious as you say, there may have been a breach of fiduciary duty to you. I would think that at least, the inspection Company had a duty to put you on inquiry notice Sent from my iPhone On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:04 AM, George Truitt <George.Truitt@csklegal.com<mailto:George.Truitt@csklegal.com>> wrote: There is strong case law for the proposition that an owner has no site safety responsibilities to contractor's employees for areas of the property under the contractor's control, unless the owner supervises the contractor's work or dictates means and methods. City of Miami v. Perez is a good example. 489.128 speaks in terms of barring any recovery in law or equity for unlicensed contracting, though I have never seen it used as a defense to a personal injury claim. -----Original Message----- From: Roberts, Hardy L. [mailto:hroberts@carltonfields.com] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 9:11 PM To: Richard A. Burt Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license Unlicensed contracting is a crime. I'm not sure what impact that has on the homeowner's claimed liability, but it is worth considering. On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:29 PM, "Richard A. Burt" <dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.com%3cmailto:dick@burt-burt.com>>> wrote: The contractor is suing in tort, not contract. Neither FS 489.128 (dealing with enforceability of a contract for construction), nor the (oral) contract (which does not address/allocate liability for personal injury), nor case law (see Tiara) bars a tort claim arising out of an injury. Subject to workers compensation statutes (of which I know nothing), in my opinion, the tort claim survives even though a contract claim would be barred. The duty issue might depend upon the homeowner’s relationship with the claimant: is the claimant an ‘employee’ or an ‘independent contractor’? From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Sean A. Mickley Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:11 PM To: 'Sakwa, Stuart H.'; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license Dovetailing off Mr. Sakwa’s post… Homeowner hires an unlicensed contractor/handyman to perform remedial work, including roofing repair work. The unlicensed contractor/handyman does not have safety fall protection while performing the roofing repair work, falls off the Homeowner’s roof, lands on his feet and breaks his foot. The unlicensed contractor/handyman now sues the Homeowner for negligence asserting, among other things, that the Homeowner owed the unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and provide safety fall protection. Questions: 1. Is such a negligence claim arguably barred because he is an unlicensed contractor? If not, can his failure to be licensed under ch. 489, F.S. serve as evidence of negligence for purposes of comparative negligence? 2. As a threshold issue, does a Homeowner owe an unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and/or provide fall protection? Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. <image001.jpg> Sean A. Mickley, Esq. Gould Cooksey Fennell 979 Beachland Boulevard Vero Beach, FL 32963 Telephone 772-231-1100 Fax 772-231-2020 smickley@gouldcooksey.com<mailto:smickley@gouldcooksey.com<mailto:smickley@gouldcooksey.com%3cmailto:smickley@gouldcooksey.com>> The information contained in this transmission is attorney privileged and confidential. It is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, do not read it. Please immediately reply to the sender that you received this communication in error and then delete it. Thank you. 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Sat, Jun 29, 2013 12:50 PM

I believe Johnson deals only with Seller liability. That is a different issue, and certainly the sellers would be brought in to any lawsuit. But it was a short sale and the chances of recovering anything from the sellers are slim.

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On Jun 29, 2013, at 8:17 AM, "Meyer, George J." gmeyer@carltonfields.com wrote:

I don't think you can have it both ways. If the condition was so obvious the inspector should have seen it and notified the buyer than I wonder how it can be the type of hidden latent condition that Johnson addresses. I don't believe Johnson covers latent defects that could have been discovered if the buyer had exercised reasonable due diligence.
George

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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license

But, there is also the Johnson case that changes "the buyer beware," to "the seller beware."It sounds like you have a good action against the seller.

As to the inspection Company please consider That there may be a fiduciary relationship between you and the inspection company and if the termite damage was so open and obvious as you say, there may have been a breach of fiduciary duty to you. I would think that at least, the inspection Company had a duty to put you on inquiry notice

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:04 AM, George Truitt <George.Truitt@csklegal.commailto:George.Truitt@csklegal.com> wrote:

There is strong case law for the proposition that an owner has no site safety responsibilities to contractor's employees for areas of the property under the contractor's control, unless the owner supervises the contractor's work or dictates means and methods. City of Miami v. Perez is a good example.

489.128 speaks in terms of barring any recovery in law or equity for unlicensed contracting, though I have never seen it used as a defense to a personal injury claim.

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Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 9:11 PM
To: Richard A. Burt
Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license

Unlicensed contracting is a crime.  I'm not sure what impact that has on the homeowner's claimed liability, but it is worth considering.

On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:29 PM, "Richard A. Burt" <dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.commailto:dick@burt-burt.com%3cmailto:dick@burt-burt.com>> wrote:

The contractor is suing in tort, not contract.

Neither FS 489.128 (dealing with enforceability of a contract for construction), nor the (oral) contract (which does not address/allocate liability for personal injury), nor case law (see Tiara) bars a tort claim arising out of an injury.  Subject to workers compensation statutes (of which I know nothing), in my opinion, the tort claim survives even though a contract claim would be barred.

The duty issue might depend upon the homeowner’s relationship with the claimant: is the claimant an ‘employee’ or an ‘independent contractor’?

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Sean A. Mickley

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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license

Dovetailing off Mr. Sakwa’s post…

Homeowner hires an unlicensed contractor/handyman to perform remedial work, including roofing repair work. The unlicensed contractor/handyman does not have safety fall protection while performing the roofing repair work, falls off the Homeowner’s roof, lands on his feet and breaks his foot. The unlicensed contractor/handyman now sues the Homeowner for negligence asserting, among other things, that the Homeowner owed the unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and provide safety fall protection.

Questions:

  1.   Is such a negligence claim arguably barred because he is an unlicensed contractor? If not, can his failure to be licensed under ch. 489, F.S. serve as evidence of negligence for purposes of comparative negligence?
    
  2.   As a threshold issue, does a Homeowner owe an unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and/or provide fall protection?
    

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks.

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Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license

Is anyone aware of a case that holds that a subcontractor who does not have a certificate of competency for a specialty trade that is required by a county ordinance, but not 489, is barred from enforcing its contract or lien rights?

Stuart H Sakwa

Attorney at Law

ARNSTEIN & LEHR LLP

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Sixth Floor

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Mobile: 954.261.9598

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I believe Johnson deals only with Seller liability. That is a different issue, and certainly the sellers would be brought in to any lawsuit. But it was a short sale and the chances of recovering anything from the sellers are slim. Sent from my iPad On Jun 29, 2013, at 8:17 AM, "Meyer, George J." <gmeyer@carltonfields.com> wrote: > I don't think you can have it both ways. If the condition was so obvious the inspector should have seen it and notified the buyer than I wonder how it can be the type of hidden latent condition that Johnson addresses. I don't believe Johnson covers latent defects that could have been discovered if the buyer had exercised reasonable due diligence. > George > > George J. Meyer > Office: 813-223-7000 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul V. DeBianchi [debianchi236@bellsouth.net] > Received: Saturday, 29 Jun 2013, 1:08am > To: George Truitt [George.Truitt@csklegal.com] > CC: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org [clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org] > Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license > > But, there is also the Johnson case that changes "the buyer beware," to "the seller beware."It sounds like you have a good action against the seller. > > As to the inspection Company please consider That there may be a fiduciary relationship between you and the inspection company and if the termite damage was so open and obvious as you say, there may have been a breach of fiduciary duty to you. I would think that at least, the inspection Company had a duty to put you on inquiry notice > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:04 AM, George Truitt <George.Truitt@csklegal.com<mailto:George.Truitt@csklegal.com>> wrote: > > > There is strong case law for the proposition that an owner has no site safety responsibilities to contractor's employees for areas of the property under the contractor's control, unless the owner supervises the contractor's work or dictates means and methods. City of Miami v. Perez is a good example. > > > > 489.128 speaks in terms of barring any recovery in law or equity for unlicensed contracting, though I have never seen it used as a defense to a personal injury claim. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roberts, Hardy L. [mailto:hroberts@carltonfields.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 9:11 PM > To: Richard A. Burt > Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> > Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license > > > > Unlicensed contracting is a crime. I'm not sure what impact that has on the homeowner's claimed liability, but it is worth considering. > > > > On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:29 PM, "Richard A. Burt" <dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.com%3cmailto:dick@burt-burt.com>>> wrote: > > > > The contractor is suing in tort, not contract. > > > > Neither FS 489.128 (dealing with enforceability of a contract for construction), nor the (oral) contract (which does not address/allocate liability for personal injury), nor case law (see Tiara) bars a tort claim arising out of an injury. Subject to workers compensation statutes (of which I know nothing), in my opinion, the tort claim survives even though a contract claim would be barred. > > > > The duty issue might depend upon the homeowner’s relationship with the claimant: is the claimant an ‘employee’ or an ‘independent contractor’? > > > > > > From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Sean A. 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Johnson v Davis is a fraud case, not a negligence case.

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On Jun 29, 2013, at 8:47 AM, "Meyer, George J." gmeyer@carltonfields.com wrote:

I don't think you can have it both ways. If the condition was so obvious the inspector should have seen it and notified the buyer than I wonder how it can be the type of hidden latent condition that Johnson addresses. I don't believe Johnson covers latent defects that could have been discovered if the buyer had exercised reasonable due diligence.
George

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But, there is also the Johnson case that changes "the buyer beware," to "the seller beware."It sounds like you have a good action against the seller.

As to the inspection Company please consider That there may be a fiduciary relationship between you and the inspection company and if the termite damage was so open and obvious as you say, there may have been a breach of fiduciary duty to you. I would think that at least, the inspection Company had a duty to put you on inquiry notice

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On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:04 AM, George Truitt <George.Truitt@csklegal.commailto:George.Truitt@csklegal.com> wrote:

There is strong case law for the proposition that an owner has no site safety responsibilities to contractor's employees for areas of the property under the contractor's control, unless the owner supervises the contractor's work or dictates means and methods. City of Miami v. Perez is a good example.

489.128 speaks in terms of barring any recovery in law or equity for unlicensed contracting, though I have never seen it used as a defense to a personal injury claim.

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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license

Unlicensed contracting is a crime.  I'm not sure what impact that has on the homeowner's claimed liability, but it is worth considering.

On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:29 PM, "Richard A. Burt" <dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.commailto:dick@burt-burt.com%3cmailto:dick@burt-burt.com>> wrote:

The contractor is suing in tort, not contract.

Neither FS 489.128 (dealing with enforceability of a contract for construction), nor the (oral) contract (which does not address/allocate liability for personal injury), nor case law (see Tiara) bars a tort claim arising out of an injury.  Subject to workers compensation statutes (of which I know nothing), in my opinion, the tort claim survives even though a contract claim would be barred.

The duty issue might depend upon the homeowner’s relationship with the claimant: is the claimant an ‘employee’ or an ‘independent contractor’?

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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license

Dovetailing off Mr. Sakwa’s post…

Homeowner hires an unlicensed contractor/handyman to perform remedial work, including roofing repair work. The unlicensed contractor/handyman does not have safety fall protection while performing the roofing repair work, falls off the Homeowner’s roof, lands on his feet and breaks his foot. The unlicensed contractor/handyman now sues the Homeowner for negligence asserting, among other things, that the Homeowner owed the unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and provide safety fall protection.

Questions:

  1.   Is such a negligence claim arguably barred because he is an unlicensed contractor? If not, can his failure to be licensed under ch. 489, F.S. serve as evidence of negligence for purposes of comparative negligence?
    
  2.   As a threshold issue, does a Homeowner owe an unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and/or provide fall protection?
    

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks.

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Is anyone aware of a case that holds that a subcontractor who does not have a certificate of competency for a specialty trade that is required by a county ordinance, but not 489, is barred from enforcing its contract or lien rights?

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Johnson v Davis is a fraud case, not a negligence case. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2013, at 8:47 AM, "Meyer, George J." <gmeyer@carltonfields.com> wrote: > I don't think you can have it both ways. If the condition was so obvious the inspector should have seen it and notified the buyer than I wonder how it can be the type of hidden latent condition that Johnson addresses. I don't believe Johnson covers latent defects that could have been discovered if the buyer had exercised reasonable due diligence. > George > > George J. Meyer > Office: 813-223-7000 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul V. DeBianchi [debianchi236@bellsouth.net] > Received: Saturday, 29 Jun 2013, 1:08am > To: George Truitt [George.Truitt@csklegal.com] > CC: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org [clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org] > Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license > > But, there is also the Johnson case that changes "the buyer beware," to "the seller beware."It sounds like you have a good action against the seller. > > As to the inspection Company please consider That there may be a fiduciary relationship between you and the inspection company and if the termite damage was so open and obvious as you say, there may have been a breach of fiduciary duty to you. I would think that at least, the inspection Company had a duty to put you on inquiry notice > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:04 AM, George Truitt <George.Truitt@csklegal.com<mailto:George.Truitt@csklegal.com>> wrote: > > > There is strong case law for the proposition that an owner has no site safety responsibilities to contractor's employees for areas of the property under the contractor's control, unless the owner supervises the contractor's work or dictates means and methods. City of Miami v. Perez is a good example. > > > > 489.128 speaks in terms of barring any recovery in law or equity for unlicensed contracting, though I have never seen it used as a defense to a personal injury claim. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roberts, Hardy L. [mailto:hroberts@carltonfields.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 9:11 PM > To: Richard A. Burt > Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> > Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license > > > > Unlicensed contracting is a crime. I'm not sure what impact that has on the homeowner's claimed liability, but it is worth considering. > > > > On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:29 PM, "Richard A. Burt" <dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.com%3cmailto:dick@burt-burt.com>>> wrote: > > > > The contractor is suing in tort, not contract. > > > > Neither FS 489.128 (dealing with enforceability of a contract for construction), nor the (oral) contract (which does not address/allocate liability for personal injury), nor case law (see Tiara) bars a tort claim arising out of an injury. Subject to workers compensation statutes (of which I know nothing), in my opinion, the tort claim survives even though a contract claim would be barred. > > > > The duty issue might depend upon the homeowner’s relationship with the claimant: is the claimant an ‘employee’ or an ‘independent contractor’? > > > > > > From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Sean A. Mickley > > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:11 PM > > To: 'Sakwa, Stuart H.'; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> > > Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license > > > > Dovetailing off Mr. Sakwa’s post… > > > > Homeowner hires an unlicensed contractor/handyman to perform remedial work, including roofing repair work. The unlicensed contractor/handyman does not have safety fall protection while performing the roofing repair work, falls off the Homeowner’s roof, lands on his feet and breaks his foot. The unlicensed contractor/handyman now sues the Homeowner for negligence asserting, among other things, that the Homeowner owed the unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and provide safety fall protection. > > > > Questions: > > > > > > 1. Is such a negligence claim arguably barred because he is an unlicensed contractor? If not, can his failure to be licensed under ch. 489, F.S. serve as evidence of negligence for purposes of comparative negligence? > > > > 2. As a threshold issue, does a Homeowner owe an unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and/or provide fall protection? > > > > Any input would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > <image001.jpg> > > > > Sean A. Mickley, Esq. > > > > > > Gould Cooksey Fennell > > > > 979 Beachland Boulevard > > > > Vero Beach, FL 32963 > > > > Telephone 772-231-1100 Fax 772-231-2020 > > > > smickley@gouldcooksey.com<mailto:smickley@gouldcooksey.com<mailto:smickley@gouldcooksey.com%3cmailto:smickley@gouldcooksey.com>> > > > > The information contained in this transmission is attorney privileged and confidential. It is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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Someone mentioned the possible interplay with Chapter 440 (Workers' Compensation statutes) with this scenario.  Pursuant to §440.02(16)(b), the homeowner does not fall under the definition of "Employer" for purposes of invoking WC liability/protection.  Accordingly, the WC statutes won't apply so long as the owner was not having the work done for purposes of immediately selling or leasing the home.  Subsection 16(b) is pasted below:

(b) A homeowner shall not be considered the employer of persons hired by the homeowner to carry out construction on the homeowner’s own premises if those premises are not intended for immediate lease, sale, or resale.

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Johnson v Davis is a fraud case, not a negligence case.

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On Jun 29, 2013, at 8:47 AM, "Meyer, George J." <gmeyer@carltonfields.commailto:gmeyer@carltonfields.com> wrote:

I don't think you can have it both ways. If the condition was so obvious the inspector should have seen it and notified the buyer than I wonder how it can be the type of hidden latent condition that Johnson addresses. I don't believe Johnson covers latent defects that could have been discovered if the buyer had exercised reasonable due diligence.

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But, there is also the Johnson case that changes "the buyer beware," to "the seller beware."It sounds like you have a good action against the seller.

As to the inspection Company please consider That there may be a

fiduciary relationship between you and the inspection company and if

the termite damage was so open and obvious as you say, there may have

been a breach of fiduciary duty to you. I would think that at least,

the inspection Company had a duty to put you on inquiry notice

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There is strong case law for the proposition that an owner has no site safety responsibilities to contractor's employees for areas of the property under the contractor's control, unless the owner supervises the contractor's work or dictates means and methods. City of Miami v. Perez is a good example.

489.128 speaks in terms of barring any recovery in law or equity for unlicensed contracting, though I have never seen it used as a defense to a personal injury claim.

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Unlicensed contracting is a crime.  I'm not sure what impact that has on the homeowner's claimed liability, but it is worth considering.

The contractor is suing in tort, not contract.

Neither FS 489.128 (dealing with enforceability of a contract for construction), nor the (oral) contract (which does not address/allocate liability for personal injury), nor case law (see Tiara) bars a tort claim arising out of an injury.  Subject to workers compensation statutes (of which I know nothing), in my opinion, the tort claim survives even though a contract claim would be barred.

The duty issue might depend upon the homeowner’s relationship with the claimant: is the claimant an ‘employee’ or an ‘independent contractor’?

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Dovetailing off Mr. Sakwa’s post…

Homeowner hires an unlicensed contractor/handyman to perform remedial work, including roofing repair work. The unlicensed contractor/handyman does not have safety fall protection while performing the roofing repair work, falls off the Homeowner’s roof, lands on his feet and breaks his foot. The unlicensed contractor/handyman now sues the Homeowner for negligence asserting, among other things, that the Homeowner owed the unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and provide safety fall protection.

Questions:

  1.   Is such a negligence claim arguably barred because he is an unlicensed contractor? If not, can his failure to be licensed under ch. 489, F.S. serve as evidence of negligence for purposes of comparative negligence?
    
  1.   As a threshold issue, does a Homeowner owe an unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and/or provide fall protection?
    

Any input would be appreciated.

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Someone mentioned the possible interplay with Chapter 440 (Workers' Compensation statutes) with this scenario. Pursuant to §440.02(16)(b), the homeowner does not fall under the definition of "Employer" for purposes of invoking WC liability/protection. Accordingly, the WC statutes won't apply so long as the owner was not having the work done for purposes of immediately selling or leasing the home. Subsection 16(b) is pasted below: (b) A homeowner shall not be considered the employer of persons hired by the homeowner to carry out construction on the homeowner’s own premises if those premises are not intended for immediate lease, sale, or resale. Regards, -Dion [Logo (side3)] Dion J. Moniz, Esq. Email: dmoniz@HSMcLaw.com<mailto:dmoniz@HSMcLaw.com> Web: www.HSMcLaw.com<http://www.hsmclaw.com/> PANAMA CITY OFFICE: P.O. Drawer 1579 Panama City, FL 32402 Phone: (850) 769-3434 Fax: (850) 769-6121 * * * SANDESTIN OFFICE: 495 Grand Blvd., Suite 206 Miramar Beach, FL 32550 Phone: (850) 269-7218 Direct: (850) 269-7193 *********************************************************************************************** NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: This e-mail message is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential information and/or attachments that are legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail contains a forwarded message, an attachment, or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message may not have been produced by Harrison Sale McCloy. -----Original Message----- From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Denise Hammond Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 8:30 AM To: Meyer, George J. Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license Johnson v Davis is a fraud case, not a negligence case. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2013, at 8:47 AM, "Meyer, George J." <gmeyer@carltonfields.com<mailto:gmeyer@carltonfields.com>> wrote: > I don't think you can have it both ways. If the condition was so obvious the inspector should have seen it and notified the buyer than I wonder how it can be the type of hidden latent condition that Johnson addresses. I don't believe Johnson covers latent defects that could have been discovered if the buyer had exercised reasonable due diligence. > George > > George J. Meyer > Office: 813-223-7000 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul V. DeBianchi [debianchi236@bellsouth.net] > Received: Saturday, 29 Jun 2013, 1:08am > To: George Truitt [George.Truitt@csklegal.com] > CC: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> > [clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org] > Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local > license > > But, there is also the Johnson case that changes "the buyer beware," to "the seller beware."It sounds like you have a good action against the seller. > > As to the inspection Company please consider That there may be a > fiduciary relationship between you and the inspection company and if > the termite damage was so open and obvious as you say, there may have > been a breach of fiduciary duty to you. I would think that at least, > the inspection Company had a duty to put you on inquiry notice > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:04 AM, George Truitt <George.Truitt@csklegal.com<mailto:George.Truitt@csklegal.com<mailto:George.Truitt@csklegal.com%3cmailto:George.Truitt@csklegal.com>>> wrote: > > > There is strong case law for the proposition that an owner has no site safety responsibilities to contractor's employees for areas of the property under the contractor's control, unless the owner supervises the contractor's work or dictates means and methods. City of Miami v. Perez is a good example. > > > > 489.128 speaks in terms of barring any recovery in law or equity for unlicensed contracting, though I have never seen it used as a defense to a personal injury claim. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roberts, Hardy L. [mailto:hroberts@carltonfields.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 9:11 PM > To: Richard A. Burt > Cc: > clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flaba<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flaba> > rrpptl.org> > Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local > license > > > > Unlicensed contracting is a crime. I'm not sure what impact that has on the homeowner's claimed liability, but it is worth considering. > > > > On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:29 PM, "Richard A. Burt" <dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.com%3cmailto:dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.com%3cmailto:dick@burt-burt.com%3cmailto:dick@burt-burt.com%3cmailto:dick@burt-burt.com>>>> wrote: > > > > The contractor is suing in tort, not contract. > > > > Neither FS 489.128 (dealing with enforceability of a contract for construction), nor the (oral) contract (which does not address/allocate liability for personal injury), nor case law (see Tiara) bars a tort claim arising out of an injury. Subject to workers compensation statutes (of which I know nothing), in my opinion, the tort claim survives even though a contract claim would be barred. > > > > The duty issue might depend upon the homeowner’s relationship with the claimant: is the claimant an ‘employee’ or an ‘independent contractor’? > > > > > > From: > clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bou<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion-bou> > nces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarr<mailto:nces@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarr> > pptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> > [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of > Sean A. Mickley > > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:11 PM > > To: 'Sakwa, Stuart H.'; > clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flaba<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flaba> > rrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-di > scussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:scussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>>> > > Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local > license > > > > Dovetailing off Mr. Sakwa’s post… > > > > Homeowner hires an unlicensed contractor/handyman to perform remedial work, including roofing repair work. The unlicensed contractor/handyman does not have safety fall protection while performing the roofing repair work, falls off the Homeowner’s roof, lands on his feet and breaks his foot. The unlicensed contractor/handyman now sues the Homeowner for negligence asserting, among other things, that the Homeowner owed the unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and provide safety fall protection. > > > > Questions: > > > > > > 1. Is such a negligence claim arguably barred because he is an unlicensed contractor? If not, can his failure to be licensed under ch. 489, F.S. serve as evidence of negligence for purposes of comparative negligence? > > > > 2. As a threshold issue, does a Homeowner owe an unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and/or provide fall protection? > > > > Any input would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > <image001.jpg> > > > > Sean A. 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Tue, Jul 2, 2013 1:06 AM

Yes but what about subs and sub-subs who are not hired by the homeowner?

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On Jul 1, 2013, at 9:39 AM, "Denise Hammond" dhammond@wfmblaw.com wrote:

Johnson v Davis is a fraud case, not a negligence case.

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On Jun 29, 2013, at 8:47 AM, "Meyer, George J." gmeyer@carltonfields.com wrote:

I don't think you can have it both ways. If the condition was so obvious the inspector should have seen it and notified the buyer than I wonder how it can be the type of hidden latent condition that Johnson addresses. I don't believe Johnson covers latent defects that could have been discovered if the buyer had exercised reasonable due diligence.
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But, there is also the Johnson case that changes "the buyer beware," to "the seller beware."It sounds like you have a good action against the seller.

As to the inspection Company please consider That there may be a fiduciary relationship between you and the inspection company and if the termite damage was so open and obvious as you say, there may have been a breach of fiduciary duty to you. I would think that at least, the inspection Company had a duty to put you on inquiry notice

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On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:04 AM, George Truitt <George.Truitt@csklegal.commailto:George.Truitt@csklegal.com> wrote:

There is strong case law for the proposition that an owner has no site safety responsibilities to contractor's employees for areas of the property under the contractor's control, unless the owner supervises the contractor's work or dictates means and methods. City of Miami v. Perez is a good example.

489.128 speaks in terms of barring any recovery in law or equity for unlicensed contracting, though I have never seen it used as a defense to a personal injury claim.

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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license

Unlicensed contracting is a crime.  I'm not sure what impact that has on the homeowner's claimed liability, but it is worth considering.

On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:29 PM, "Richard A. Burt" <dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.commailto:dick@burt-burt.com%3cmailto:dick@burt-burt.com>> wrote:

The contractor is suing in tort, not contract.

Neither FS 489.128 (dealing with enforceability of a contract for construction), nor the (oral) contract (which does not address/allocate liability for personal injury), nor case law (see Tiara) bars a tort claim arising out of an injury.  Subject to workers compensation statutes (of which I know nothing), in my opinion, the tort claim survives even though a contract claim would be barred.

The duty issue might depend upon the homeowner’s relationship with the claimant: is the claimant an ‘employee’ or an ‘independent contractor’?

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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license

Dovetailing off Mr. Sakwa’s post…

Homeowner hires an unlicensed contractor/handyman to perform remedial work, including roofing repair work. The unlicensed contractor/handyman does not have safety fall protection while performing the roofing repair work, falls off the Homeowner’s roof, lands on his feet and breaks his foot. The unlicensed contractor/handyman now sues the Homeowner for negligence asserting, among other things, that the Homeowner owed the unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and provide safety fall protection.

Questions:

  1.   Is such a negligence claim arguably barred because he is an unlicensed contractor? If not, can his failure to be licensed under ch. 489, F.S. serve as evidence of negligence for purposes of comparative negligence?
    
  2.   As a threshold issue, does a Homeowner owe an unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and/or provide fall protection?
    

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks.

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Is anyone aware of a case that holds that a subcontractor who does not have a certificate of competency for a specialty trade that is required by a county ordinance, but not 489, is barred from enforcing its contract or lien rights?

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Yes but what about subs and sub-subs who are not hired by the homeowner? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2013, at 9:39 AM, "Denise Hammond" <dhammond@wfmblaw.com> wrote: > Johnson v Davis is a fraud case, not a negligence case. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 29, 2013, at 8:47 AM, "Meyer, George J." <gmeyer@carltonfields.com> wrote: > >> I don't think you can have it both ways. If the condition was so obvious the inspector should have seen it and notified the buyer than I wonder how it can be the type of hidden latent condition that Johnson addresses. I don't believe Johnson covers latent defects that could have been discovered if the buyer had exercised reasonable due diligence. >> George >> >> George J. Meyer >> Office: 813-223-7000 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paul V. DeBianchi [debianchi236@bellsouth.net] >> Received: Saturday, 29 Jun 2013, 1:08am >> To: George Truitt [George.Truitt@csklegal.com] >> CC: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org [clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org] >> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license >> >> But, there is also the Johnson case that changes "the buyer beware," to "the seller beware."It sounds like you have a good action against the seller. >> >> As to the inspection Company please consider That there may be a fiduciary relationship between you and the inspection company and if the termite damage was so open and obvious as you say, there may have been a breach of fiduciary duty to you. I would think that at least, the inspection Company had a duty to put you on inquiry notice >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:04 AM, George Truitt <George.Truitt@csklegal.com<mailto:George.Truitt@csklegal.com>> wrote: >> >> >> There is strong case law for the proposition that an owner has no site safety responsibilities to contractor's employees for areas of the property under the contractor's control, unless the owner supervises the contractor's work or dictates means and methods. City of Miami v. Perez is a good example. >> >> >> >> 489.128 speaks in terms of barring any recovery in law or equity for unlicensed contracting, though I have never seen it used as a defense to a personal injury claim. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Roberts, Hardy L. [mailto:hroberts@carltonfields.com] >> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 9:11 PM >> To: Richard A. Burt >> Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> >> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license >> >> >> >> Unlicensed contracting is a crime. I'm not sure what impact that has on the homeowner's claimed liability, but it is worth considering. >> >> >> >> On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:29 PM, "Richard A. Burt" <dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.com%3cmailto:dick@burt-burt.com>>> wrote: >> >> >> >> The contractor is suing in tort, not contract. >> >> >> >> Neither FS 489.128 (dealing with enforceability of a contract for construction), nor the (oral) contract (which does not address/allocate liability for personal injury), nor case law (see Tiara) bars a tort claim arising out of an injury. Subject to workers compensation statutes (of which I know nothing), in my opinion, the tort claim survives even though a contract claim would be barred. >> >> >> >> The duty issue might depend upon the homeowner’s relationship with the claimant: is the claimant an ‘employee’ or an ‘independent contractor’? >> >> >> >> >> >> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Sean A. Mickley >> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:11 PM >> >> To: 'Sakwa, Stuart H.'; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> >> >> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license >> >> >> >> Dovetailing off Mr. Sakwa’s post… >> >> >> >> Homeowner hires an unlicensed contractor/handyman to perform remedial work, including roofing repair work. The unlicensed contractor/handyman does not have safety fall protection while performing the roofing repair work, falls off the Homeowner’s roof, lands on his feet and breaks his foot. The unlicensed contractor/handyman now sues the Homeowner for negligence asserting, among other things, that the Homeowner owed the unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and provide safety fall protection. >> >> >> >> Questions: >> >> >> >> >> >> 1. Is such a negligence claim arguably barred because he is an unlicensed contractor? If not, can his failure to be licensed under ch. 489, F.S. serve as evidence of negligence for purposes of comparative negligence? >> >> >> >> 2. As a threshold issue, does a Homeowner owe an unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and/or provide fall protection? >> >> >> >> Any input would be appreciated. >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> <image001.jpg> >> >> >> >> Sean A. Mickley, Esq. >> >> >> >> >> >> Gould Cooksey Fennell >> >> >> >> 979 Beachland Boulevard >> >> >> >> Vero Beach, FL 32963 >> >> >> >> Telephone 772-231-1100 Fax 772-231-2020 >> >> >> >> smickley@gouldcooksey.com<mailto:smickley@gouldcooksey.com<mailto:smickley@gouldcooksey.com%3cmailto:smickley@gouldcooksey.com>> >> >> >> >> The information contained in this transmission is attorney privileged and confidential. It is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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Tue, Jul 2, 2013 10:39 AM

Subs and sub-subs must look to the GC for coverage if they don't have it and aren't otherwise exempt.

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On Jul 1, 2013, at 8:16 PM, "fred.dudley@hklaw.com" fred.dudley@hklaw.com wrote:

Yes but what about subs and sub-subs who are not hired by the homeowner?

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On Jul 1, 2013, at 9:39 AM, "Denise Hammond" dhammond@wfmblaw.com wrote:

Johnson v Davis is a fraud case, not a negligence case.

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On Jun 29, 2013, at 8:47 AM, "Meyer, George J." gmeyer@carltonfields.com wrote:

I don't think you can have it both ways. If the condition was so obvious the inspector should have seen it and notified the buyer than I wonder how it can be the type of hidden latent condition that Johnson addresses. I don't believe Johnson covers latent defects that could have been discovered if the buyer had exercised reasonable due diligence.
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But, there is also the Johnson case that changes "the buyer beware," to "the seller beware."It sounds like you have a good action against the seller.

As to the inspection Company please consider That there may be a fiduciary relationship between you and the inspection company and if the termite damage was so open and obvious as you say, there may have been a breach of fiduciary duty to you. I would think that at least, the inspection Company had a duty to put you on inquiry notice

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On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:04 AM, George Truitt <George.Truitt@csklegal.commailto:George.Truitt@csklegal.com> wrote:

There is strong case law for the proposition that an owner has no site safety responsibilities to contractor's employees for areas of the property under the contractor's control, unless the owner supervises the contractor's work or dictates means and methods. City of Miami v. Perez is a good example.

489.128 speaks in terms of barring any recovery in law or equity for unlicensed contracting, though I have never seen it used as a defense to a personal injury claim.

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Unlicensed contracting is a crime.  I'm not sure what impact that has on the homeowner's claimed liability, but it is worth considering.

On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:29 PM, "Richard A. Burt" <dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.commailto:dick@burt-burt.com%3cmailto:dick@burt-burt.com>> wrote:

The contractor is suing in tort, not contract.

Neither FS 489.128 (dealing with enforceability of a contract for construction), nor the (oral) contract (which does not address/allocate liability for personal injury), nor case law (see Tiara) bars a tort claim arising out of an injury.  Subject to workers compensation statutes (of which I know nothing), in my opinion, the tort claim survives even though a contract claim would be barred.

The duty issue might depend upon the homeowner’s relationship with the claimant: is the claimant an ‘employee’ or an ‘independent contractor’?

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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license

Dovetailing off Mr. Sakwa’s post…

Homeowner hires an unlicensed contractor/handyman to perform remedial work, including roofing repair work. The unlicensed contractor/handyman does not have safety fall protection while performing the roofing repair work, falls off the Homeowner’s roof, lands on his feet and breaks his foot. The unlicensed contractor/handyman now sues the Homeowner for negligence asserting, among other things, that the Homeowner owed the unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and provide safety fall protection.

Questions:

  1.   Is such a negligence claim arguably barred because he is an unlicensed contractor? If not, can his failure to be licensed under ch. 489, F.S. serve as evidence of negligence for purposes of comparative negligence?
    
  2.   As a threshold issue, does a Homeowner owe an unlicensed contractor/handyman a duty to supervise his work and/or provide fall protection?
    

Any input would be appreciated.

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Is anyone aware of a case that holds that a subcontractor who does not have a certificate of competency for a specialty trade that is required by a county ordinance, but not 489, is barred from enforcing its contract or lien rights?

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Subs and sub-subs must look to the GC for coverage if they don't have it and aren't otherwise exempt. Regards, -Dion Sent from my iPhone - expect tYp0z. On Jul 1, 2013, at 8:16 PM, "fred.dudley@hklaw.com" <fred.dudley@hklaw.com> wrote: > Yes but what about subs and sub-subs who are not hired by the homeowner? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 1, 2013, at 9:39 AM, "Denise Hammond" <dhammond@wfmblaw.com> wrote: > >> Johnson v Davis is a fraud case, not a negligence case. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 29, 2013, at 8:47 AM, "Meyer, George J." <gmeyer@carltonfields.com> wrote: >> >>> I don't think you can have it both ways. If the condition was so obvious the inspector should have seen it and notified the buyer than I wonder how it can be the type of hidden latent condition that Johnson addresses. I don't believe Johnson covers latent defects that could have been discovered if the buyer had exercised reasonable due diligence. >>> George >>> >>> George J. Meyer >>> Office: 813-223-7000 >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Paul V. DeBianchi [debianchi236@bellsouth.net] >>> Received: Saturday, 29 Jun 2013, 1:08am >>> To: George Truitt [George.Truitt@csklegal.com] >>> CC: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org [clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org] >>> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license >>> >>> But, there is also the Johnson case that changes "the buyer beware," to "the seller beware."It sounds like you have a good action against the seller. >>> >>> As to the inspection Company please consider That there may be a fiduciary relationship between you and the inspection company and if the termite damage was so open and obvious as you say, there may have been a breach of fiduciary duty to you. I would think that at least, the inspection Company had a duty to put you on inquiry notice >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:04 AM, George Truitt <George.Truitt@csklegal.com<mailto:George.Truitt@csklegal.com>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> There is strong case law for the proposition that an owner has no site safety responsibilities to contractor's employees for areas of the property under the contractor's control, unless the owner supervises the contractor's work or dictates means and methods. City of Miami v. Perez is a good example. >>> >>> >>> >>> 489.128 speaks in terms of barring any recovery in law or equity for unlicensed contracting, though I have never seen it used as a defense to a personal injury claim. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Roberts, Hardy L. [mailto:hroberts@carltonfields.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 9:11 PM >>> To: Richard A. Burt >>> Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> >>> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Unlicensed subcontractor for local license >>> >>> >>> >>> Unlicensed contracting is a crime. I'm not sure what impact that has on the homeowner's claimed liability, but it is worth considering. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:29 PM, "Richard A. Burt" <dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.com%3cmailto:dick@burt-burt.com>>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> The contractor is suing in tort, not contract. >>> >>> >>> >>> Neither FS 489.128 (dealing with enforceability of a contract for construction), nor the (oral) contract (which does not address/allocate liability for personal injury), nor case law (see Tiara) bars a tort claim arising out of an injury. Subject to workers compensation statutes (of which I know nothing), in my opinion, the tort claim survives even though a contract claim would be barred. >>> >>> >>> >>> The duty issue might depend upon the homeowner’s relationship with the claimant: is the claimant an ‘employee’ or an ‘independent contractor’? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Sean A. 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