[RPPTL LandTen] ESA/SERVICE ANIMAL VERIFICATION MILLS
I am curious to see how you all are dealing with tenants and applicants who
are claiming ESA/Service Animals and providing "proof" of need and
disability from in and out of state mills.
Have any of you litigated one of these yet?
We see them weekly. It is usually a LCSW who operates somewhere in the US
and now many of these mills are getting ones that operate in each state.
Attached is one my client paid for to show how easy it is to get this.
We are seeing the same LCSW over and over with the larger mills such as
CERTIPET.
We have advised clients to deny in many cases but nothing has been litigated
by us yet.
The applicant has just gone away or they removed their dog that they tried
to "certify"
How are you advising your landlords or the COAs or HOAs you represent?
Harry
LAW OFFICES OF
HEIST, WEISSE & WOLK P.A.
PH: 1 800 253 8428
FAX: 1 800 367 9038
"Serving the Property Management Professional"
Website: http://www.evict.com/ www.evict.com
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Here's my management company's perspective on it, because we deal with a
lot of these requests.
Our properties allow "normal" pets (size, type, and number) with pet rent
and a pet deposit. Consequently, our ESA impact is only a loss of pet rent
and deposit. If the resident brings us a note or prescription from a real
doctor or therapist, and has a normal animal, then we accept the ESA
request. We confirm with the doctor that it's a real note, but don't
inquire further. Tenants sign ESA paperwork referencing the criminal
statute 413.08, but we aren't investigating whether the physician and
resident are violating the law. In my experience, requiring the doctors
note deters most people with illegitimate claims from online websites. Even
if the doctor's note and ESA are illegitimate, my property owners are OK
taking the "loss" on pet rent.
However, we have seen a lot of people that use the ESA process to try and
get pit bulls and other unusual animals into our properties. We also had an
applicant claim 5 ESA animals for a one bedroom apartment. Requiring a
doctors note usually deters those people from the start. However, even if
they follow through and give us the doctor note for the pit bull, we use
the attached HUD memo as a way to kick the problem to our insurance
company, or local ordinances to prove the accommodation is unreasonable.
James
--
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772.888.0865cell: 954.254.0436email: GloverJamesR@gmail.com
GloverJamesR@gmail.com
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:54 PM Harry Heist harry@evict.com wrote:
I am curious to see how you all are dealing with tenants and applicants
who are claiming ESA/Service Animals and providing “proof” of need and
disability from in and out of state mills.
Have any of you litigated one of these yet?
We see them weekly. It is usually a LCSW who operates somewhere in the US
and now many of these mills are getting ones that operate in each state.
Attached is one my client paid for to show how easy it is to get this.
We are seeing the same LCSW over and over with the larger mills such as
CERTIPET.
We have advised clients to deny in many cases but nothing has been
litigated by us yet.
The applicant has just gone away or they removed their dog that they tried
to “certify”
How are you advising your landlords or the COAs or HOAs you represent?
Harry
*LAW OFFICES OF HEIST, WEISSE & WOLK P.A.PH: 1 800 253 8428FAX: 1 800 367
9038"Serving the Property Management Professional"Website: *
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You may find this case helpful. Bhogaita v Altamonte Heights
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Docket No. 6:11-cv-o01637-GAP-DAB
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:54 PM Harry Heist harry@evict.com wrote:
I am curious to see how you all are dealing with tenants and applicants
who are claiming ESA/Service Animals and providing “proof” of need and
disability from in and out of state mills.
Have any of you litigated one of these yet?
We see them weekly. It is usually a LCSW who operates somewhere in the US
and now many of these mills are getting ones that operate in each state.
Attached is one my client paid for to show how easy it is to get this.
We are seeing the same LCSW over and over with the larger mills such as
CERTIPET.
We have advised clients to deny in many cases but nothing has been
litigated by us yet.
The applicant has just gone away or they removed their dog that they tried
to “certify”
How are you advising your landlords or the COAs or HOAs you represent?
Harry
*LAW OFFICES OF HEIST, WEISSE & WOLK P.A.PH: 1 800 253 8428FAX: 1 800 367
9038"Serving the Property Management Professional"Website: *
www.evict.com http://www.evict.com/
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Thanks James and Bob,
The problems we are facing are the online LCSWs or therapists that have no contact with the “patient” other than a $79 online consultation where the patient answers 10 questions online.
Getting a legit letter from a legit doctor is not the problem.
How are you all dealing with these? We see the same ones over and over.
Harry
LAW OFFICES OF
HEIST, WEISSE & WOLK P.A.
PH: 1 800 253 8428
FAX: 1 800 367 9038
"Serving the Property Management Professional"
Website: http://www.evict.com/ www.evict.com
Email: mailto:harry@evict.com harry@evict.com
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Heist-Weisse-Wolk-PA/343965575625870
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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of James Glover
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 5:56 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] ESA/SERVICE ANIMAL VERIFICATION MILLS
Here's my management company's perspective on it, because we deal with a lot of these requests.
Our properties allow "normal" pets (size, type, and number) with pet rent and a pet deposit. Consequently, our ESA impact is only a loss of pet rent and deposit. If the resident brings us a note or prescription from a real doctor or therapist, and has a normal animal, then we accept the ESA request. We confirm with the doctor that it's a real note, but don't inquire further. Tenants sign ESA paperwork referencing the criminal statute 413.08, but we aren't investigating whether the physician and resident are violating the law. In my experience, requiring the doctors note deters most people with illegitimate claims from online websites. Even if the doctor's note and ESA are illegitimate, my property owners are OK taking the "loss" on pet rent.
However, we have seen a lot of people that use the ESA process to try and get pit bulls and other unusual animals into our properties. We also had an applicant claim 5 ESA animals for a one bedroom apartment. Requiring a doctors note usually deters those people from the start. However, even if they follow through and give us the doctor note for the pit bull, we use the attached HUD memo as a way to kick the problem to our insurance company, or local ordinances to prove the accommodation is unreasonable.
James
--
James Glover
office:
772.888.0865
cell: 954.254.0436
email: mailto:GloverJamesR@gmail.com GloverJamesR@gmail.com
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:54 PM Harry Heist harry@evict.com wrote:
I am curious to see how you all are dealing with tenants and applicants who are claiming ESA/Service Animals and providing “proof” of need and disability from in and out of state mills.
Have any of you litigated one of these yet?
We see them weekly. It is usually a LCSW who operates somewhere in the US and now many of these mills are getting ones that operate in each state.
Attached is one my client paid for to show how easy it is to get this.
We are seeing the same LCSW over and over with the larger mills such as CERTIPET.
We have advised clients to deny in many cases but nothing has been litigated by us yet.
The applicant has just gone away or they removed their dog that they tried to “certify”
How are you advising your landlords or the COAs or HOAs you represent?
Harry
LAW OFFICES OF
HEIST, WEISSE & WOLK P.A.
PH: 1 800 253 8428
FAX: 1 800 367 9038
"Serving the Property Management Professional"
Website: http://www.evict.com/ www.evict.com
Email: mailto:harry@evict.com harry@evict.com
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We accept therapist notes, and if someone gave me an LCSW note (after
having only 30 seconds of research), I'd probably also accept it. In my
experience, most people can go to their local primary care physician and
get an ESA doctors note for a $30 copay, so it's not worth fighting about
internet therapists versus local therapists.
Admittedly, I have only had 1 person attempt using an internet ESA note,
and it wasn't signed by a doctor or therapist or anybody for that matter.
On that website, a doctor's note was a $60 upcharge. If it's a huge problem
and you think a person is acting fraudulently in violation of the statute,
consider filing a police report.
--
James Gloveroffice:
772.888.0865cell: 954.254.0436email: GloverJamesR@gmail.com
GloverJamesR@gmail.com
On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 11:54 AM Harry Heist harry@evict.com wrote:
Thanks James and Bob,
The problems we are facing are the online LCSWs or therapists that have no
contact with the “patient” other than a $79 online consultation where the
patient answers 10 questions online.
Getting a legit letter from a legit doctor is not the problem.
How are you all dealing with these? We see the same ones over and over.
Harry
*LAW OFFICES OF HEIST, WEISSE & WOLK P.A.PH: 1 800 253 8428FAX: 1 800 367
9038"Serving the Property Management Professional"Website: *
www.evict.com http://www.evict.com/
- Email: *harry@evict.com harry@evict.com
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landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] *On Behalf Of *James Glover
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 5:56 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] ESA/SERVICE ANIMAL VERIFICATION MILLS
Here's my management company's perspective on it, because we deal with a
lot of these requests.
Our properties allow "normal" pets (size, type, and number) with pet rent
and a pet deposit. Consequently, our ESA impact is only a loss of pet rent
and deposit. If the resident brings us a note or prescription from a real
doctor or therapist, and has a normal animal, then we accept the ESA
request. We confirm with the doctor that it's a real note, but don't
inquire further. Tenants sign ESA paperwork referencing the criminal
statute 413.08, but we aren't investigating whether the physician and
resident are violating the law. In my experience, requiring the doctors
note deters most people with illegitimate claims from online websites. Even
if the doctor's note and ESA are illegitimate, my property owners are OK
taking the "loss" on pet rent.
However, we have seen a lot of people that use the ESA process to try and
get pit bulls and other unusual animals into our properties. We also had an
applicant claim 5 ESA animals for a one bedroom apartment. Requiring a
doctors note usually deters those people from the start. However, even if
they follow through and give us the doctor note for the pit bull, we use
the attached HUD memo as a way to kick the problem to our insurance
company, or local ordinances to prove the accommodation is unreasonable.
James
--
James Glover
office:
772.888.0865
cell: 954.254.0436
email: GloverJamesR@gmail.com
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:54 PM Harry Heist harry@evict.com wrote:
I am curious to see how you all are dealing with tenants and applicants
who are claiming ESA/Service Animals and providing “proof” of need and
disability from in and out of state mills.
Have any of you litigated one of these yet?
We see them weekly. It is usually a LCSW who operates somewhere in the US
and now many of these mills are getting ones that operate in each state.
Attached is one my client paid for to show how easy it is to get this.
We are seeing the same LCSW over and over with the larger mills such as
CERTIPET.
We have advised clients to deny in many cases but nothing has been
litigated by us yet.
The applicant has just gone away or they removed their dog that they tried
to “certify”
How are you advising your landlords or the COAs or HOAs you represent?
Harry
*LAW OFFICES OF HEIST, WEISSE & WOLK P.A.PH: 1 800 253 8428FAX: 1 800 367
9038"Serving the Property Management Professional"Website: *
www.evict.com http://www.evict.com/
- Email: *harry@evict.com harry@evict.com
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I guess because of our size, we see this non stop.
These are all internet “therapists” of LCSWs working for some of these companies.
Usually $59 to $99 to be diagnosed.
So far we have dealt with the below companies.
Some of them are using people in Florida now but prior, most were using them from another state.
The problem is that HUD has not come out with guidelines in YEARS.
Harry
SARA (Service Animal Registry of America)
USARplus (United Service Animal Registry)
Goldstar German Shepherds
SDA (Service Dogs America)
Registered Service Dog
SDCA (Service Dog Certification of America, aka Certify My Dog)
NSAR (National Service Animal Registry)
American Service Dogs
Service Dog ID
Certified Service Dog
National Association of Service Dogs
Service Dog Tags, Free My Paws
CRTASA USSDR
https://www.usservicedogregistry.org https://www.usservicedogregistry.org
http://usdogregistry.org http://usdogregistry.org
https://www.esaregistration.org https://www.esaregistration.org
https://www.officialservicedogregistry.com https://www.officialservicedogregistry.com
https://www.registermyserviceanimal.com/ https://www.registermyserviceanimal.com/
http://registerservicedogs.com http://registerservicedogs.com
https://www.nsarco.com/ https://www.nsarco.com/
https://thedogtor.net https://thedogtor.net
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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of James Glover
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 9:24 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] ESA/SERVICE ANIMAL VERIFICATION MILLS
We accept therapist notes, and if someone gave me an LCSW note (after having only 30 seconds of research), I'd probably also accept it. In my experience, most people can go to their local primary care physician and get an ESA doctors note for a $30 copay, so it's not worth fighting about internet therapists versus local therapists.
Admittedly, I have only had 1 person attempt using an internet ESA note, and it wasn't signed by a doctor or therapist or anybody for that matter. On that website, a doctor's note was a $60 upcharge. If it's a huge problem and you think a person is acting fraudulently in violation of the statute, consider filing a police report.
--
James Glover
office:
772.888.0865
cell: 954.254.0436
email: mailto:GloverJamesR@gmail.com GloverJamesR@gmail.com
On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 11:54 AM Harry Heist harry@evict.com wrote:
Thanks James and Bob,
The problems we are facing are the online LCSWs or therapists that have no contact with the “patient” other than a $79 online consultation where the patient answers 10 questions online.
Getting a legit letter from a legit doctor is not the problem.
How are you all dealing with these? We see the same ones over and over.
Harry
LAW OFFICES OF
HEIST, WEISSE & WOLK P.A.
PH: 1 800 253 8428
FAX: 1 800 367 9038
"Serving the Property Management Professional"
Website: http://www.evict.com/ www.evict.com
Email: mailto:harry@evict.com harry@evict.com
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Heist-Weisse-Wolk-PA/343965575625870
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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of James Glover
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 5:56 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] ESA/SERVICE ANIMAL VERIFICATION MILLS
Here's my management company's perspective on it, because we deal with a lot of these requests.
Our properties allow "normal" pets (size, type, and number) with pet rent and a pet deposit. Consequently, our ESA impact is only a loss of pet rent and deposit. If the resident brings us a note or prescription from a real doctor or therapist, and has a normal animal, then we accept the ESA request. We confirm with the doctor that it's a real note, but don't inquire further. Tenants sign ESA paperwork referencing the criminal statute 413.08, but we aren't investigating whether the physician and resident are violating the law. In my experience, requiring the doctors note deters most people with illegitimate claims from online websites. Even if the doctor's note and ESA are illegitimate, my property owners are OK taking the "loss" on pet rent.
However, we have seen a lot of people that use the ESA process to try and get pit bulls and other unusual animals into our properties. We also had an applicant claim 5 ESA animals for a one bedroom apartment. Requiring a doctors note usually deters those people from the start. However, even if they follow through and give us the doctor note for the pit bull, we use the attached HUD memo as a way to kick the problem to our insurance company, or local ordinances to prove the accommodation is unreasonable.
James
--
James Glover
office:
772.888.0865
cell: 954.254.0436
email: mailto:GloverJamesR@gmail.com GloverJamesR@gmail.com
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:54 PM Harry Heist harry@evict.com wrote:
I am curious to see how you all are dealing with tenants and applicants who are claiming ESA/Service Animals and providing “proof” of need and disability from in and out of state mills.
Have any of you litigated one of these yet?
We see them weekly. It is usually a LCSW who operates somewhere in the US and now many of these mills are getting ones that operate in each state.
Attached is one my client paid for to show how easy it is to get this.
We are seeing the same LCSW over and over with the larger mills such as CERTIPET.
We have advised clients to deny in many cases but nothing has been litigated by us yet.
The applicant has just gone away or they removed their dog that they tried to “certify”
How are you advising your landlords or the COAs or HOAs you represent?
Harry
LAW OFFICES OF
HEIST, WEISSE & WOLK P.A.
PH: 1 800 253 8428
FAX: 1 800 367 9038
"Serving the Property Management Professional"
Website: http://www.evict.com/ www.evict.com
Email: mailto:harry@evict.com harry@evict.com
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Harry, just wanted to share this bill in case you were not already aware of.
http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2019/721/BillText/Filed/PDF
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To: 'RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee' landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] ESA/SERVICE ANIMAL VERIFICATION MILLS
I guess because of our size, we see this non stop.
These are all internet “therapists” of LCSWs working for some of these companies.
Usually $59 to $99 to be diagnosed.
So far we have dealt with the below companies.
Some of them are using people in Florida now but prior, most were using them from another state.
The problem is that HUD has not come out with guidelines in YEARS.
Harry
SARA (Service Animal Registry of America)
USARplus (United Service Animal Registry)
Goldstar German Shepherds
SDA (Service Dogs America)
Registered Service Dog
SDCA (Service Dog Certification of America, aka Certify My Dog)
NSAR (National Service Animal Registry)
American Service Dogs
Service Dog ID
Certified Service Dog
National Association of Service Dogs
Service Dog Tags, Free My Paws
CRTASA USSDR
https://www.usservicedogregistry.org
https://www.esaregistration.org
https://www.officialservicedogregistry.com
https://www.registermyserviceanimal.com/
http://registerservicedogs.com
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PH: 1 800 253 8428
FAX: 1 800 367 9038
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Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 9:24 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] ESA/SERVICE ANIMAL VERIFICATION MILLS
We accept therapist notes, and if someone gave me an LCSW note (after having only 30 seconds of research), I'd probably also accept it. In my experience, most people can go to their local primary care physician and get an ESA doctors note for a $30 copay, so it's not worth fighting about internet therapists versus local therapists.
Admittedly, I have only had 1 person attempt using an internet ESA note, and it wasn't signed by a doctor or therapist or anybody for that matter. On that website, a doctor's note was a $60 upcharge. If it's a huge problem and you think a person is acting fraudulently in violation of the statute, consider filing a police report.
--
James Glover
office:
772.888.0865
cell: 954.254.0436
email: GloverJamesR@gmail.commailto:GloverJamesR@gmail.com
On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 11:54 AM Harry Heist <harry@evict.commailto:harry@evict.com> wrote:
Thanks James and Bob,
The problems we are facing are the online LCSWs or therapists that have no contact with the “patient” other than a $79 online consultation where the patient answers 10 questions online.
Getting a legit letter from a legit doctor is not the problem.
How are you all dealing with these? We see the same ones over and over.
Harry
LAW OFFICES OF
HEIST, WEISSE & WOLK P.A.
PH: 1 800 253 8428
FAX: 1 800 367 9038
"Serving the Property Management Professional"
Website: www.evict.comhttp://www.evict.com/
Email: harry@evict.commailto:harry@evict.com
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Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 5:56 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] ESA/SERVICE ANIMAL VERIFICATION MILLS
Here's my management company's perspective on it, because we deal with a lot of these requests.
Our properties allow "normal" pets (size, type, and number) with pet rent and a pet deposit. Consequently, our ESA impact is only a loss of pet rent and deposit. If the resident brings us a note or prescription from a real doctor or therapist, and has a normal animal, then we accept the ESA request. We confirm with the doctor that it's a real note, but don't inquire further. Tenants sign ESA paperwork referencing the criminal statute 413.08, but we aren't investigating whether the physician and resident are violating the law. In my experience, requiring the doctors note deters most people with illegitimate claims from online websites. Even if the doctor's note and ESA are illegitimate, my property owners are OK taking the "loss" on pet rent.
However, we have seen a lot of people that use the ESA process to try and get pit bulls and other unusual animals into our properties. We also had an applicant claim 5 ESA animals for a one bedroom apartment. Requiring a doctors note usually deters those people from the start. However, even if they follow through and give us the doctor note for the pit bull, we use the attached HUD memo as a way to kick the problem to our insurance company, or local ordinances to prove the accommodation is unreasonable.
James
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772.888.0865
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On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:54 PM Harry Heist <harry@evict.commailto:harry@evict.com> wrote:
I am curious to see how you all are dealing with tenants and applicants who are claiming ESA/Service Animals and providing “proof” of need and disability from in and out of state mills.
Have any of you litigated one of these yet?
We see them weekly. It is usually a LCSW who operates somewhere in the US and now many of these mills are getting ones that operate in each state.
Attached is one my client paid for to show how easy it is to get this.
We are seeing the same LCSW over and over with the larger mills such as CERTIPET.
We have advised clients to deny in many cases but nothing has been litigated by us yet.
The applicant has just gone away or they removed their dog that they tried to “certify”
How are you advising your landlords or the COAs or HOAs you represent?
Harry
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Yes,
We have been working on this. http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2019/721/BillText/Filed/PDF
Open to suggestions.
Harry
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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Trey Goldman
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 11:29 AM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] ESA/SERVICE ANIMAL VERIFICATION MILLS
Harry, just wanted to share this bill in case you were not already aware of.
http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2019/721/BillText/Filed/PDF
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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org On Behalf Of Harry Heist
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 10:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] ESA/SERVICE ANIMAL VERIFICATION MILLS
I guess because of our size, we see this non stop.
These are all internet “therapists” of LCSWs working for some of these companies.
Usually $59 to $99 to be diagnosed.
So far we have dealt with the below companies.
Some of them are using people in Florida now but prior, most were using them from another state.
The problem is that HUD has not come out with guidelines in YEARS.
Harry
SARA (Service Animal Registry of America)
USARplus (United Service Animal Registry)
Goldstar German Shepherds
SDA (Service Dogs America)
Registered Service Dog
SDCA (Service Dog Certification of America, aka Certify My Dog)
NSAR (National Service Animal Registry)
American Service Dogs
Service Dog ID
Certified Service Dog
National Association of Service Dogs
Service Dog Tags, Free My Paws
CRTASA USSDR
https://www.usservicedogregistry.org https://www.usservicedogregistry.org
http://usdogregistry.org http://usdogregistry.org
https://www.esaregistration.org https://www.esaregistration.org
https://www.officialservicedogregistry.com https://www.officialservicedogregistry.com
https://www.registermyserviceanimal.com/ https://www.registermyserviceanimal.com/
http://registerservicedogs.com http://registerservicedogs.com
https://www.nsarco.com/ https://www.nsarco.com/
https://thedogtor.net https://thedogtor.net
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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of James Glover
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 9:24 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] ESA/SERVICE ANIMAL VERIFICATION MILLS
We accept therapist notes, and if someone gave me an LCSW note (after having only 30 seconds of research), I'd probably also accept it. In my experience, most people can go to their local primary care physician and get an ESA doctors note for a $30 copay, so it's not worth fighting about internet therapists versus local therapists.
Admittedly, I have only had 1 person attempt using an internet ESA note, and it wasn't signed by a doctor or therapist or anybody for that matter. On that website, a doctor's note was a $60 upcharge. If it's a huge problem and you think a person is acting fraudulently in violation of the statute, consider filing a police report.
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On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 11:54 AM Harry Heist harry@evict.com wrote:
Thanks James and Bob,
The problems we are facing are the online LCSWs or therapists that have no contact with the “patient” other than a $79 online consultation where the patient answers 10 questions online.
Getting a legit letter from a legit doctor is not the problem.
How are you all dealing with these? We see the same ones over and over.
Harry
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PH: 1 800 253 8428
FAX: 1 800 367 9038
"Serving the Property Management Professional"
Website: http://www.evict.com/ www.evict.com
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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of James Glover
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 5:56 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] ESA/SERVICE ANIMAL VERIFICATION MILLS
Here's my management company's perspective on it, because we deal with a lot of these requests.
Our properties allow "normal" pets (size, type, and number) with pet rent and a pet deposit. Consequently, our ESA impact is only a loss of pet rent and deposit. If the resident brings us a note or prescription from a real doctor or therapist, and has a normal animal, then we accept the ESA request. We confirm with the doctor that it's a real note, but don't inquire further. Tenants sign ESA paperwork referencing the criminal statute 413.08, but we aren't investigating whether the physician and resident are violating the law. In my experience, requiring the doctors note deters most people with illegitimate claims from online websites. Even if the doctor's note and ESA are illegitimate, my property owners are OK taking the "loss" on pet rent.
However, we have seen a lot of people that use the ESA process to try and get pit bulls and other unusual animals into our properties. We also had an applicant claim 5 ESA animals for a one bedroom apartment. Requiring a doctors note usually deters those people from the start. However, even if they follow through and give us the doctor note for the pit bull, we use the attached HUD memo as a way to kick the problem to our insurance company, or local ordinances to prove the accommodation is unreasonable.
James
--
James Glover
office:
772.888.0865
cell: 954.254.0436
email: mailto:GloverJamesR@gmail.com GloverJamesR@gmail.com
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:54 PM Harry Heist harry@evict.com wrote:
I am curious to see how you all are dealing with tenants and applicants who are claiming ESA/Service Animals and providing “proof” of need and disability from in and out of state mills.
Have any of you litigated one of these yet?
We see them weekly. It is usually a LCSW who operates somewhere in the US and now many of these mills are getting ones that operate in each state.
Attached is one my client paid for to show how easy it is to get this.
We are seeing the same LCSW over and over with the larger mills such as CERTIPET.
We have advised clients to deny in many cases but nothing has been litigated by us yet.
The applicant has just gone away or they removed their dog that they tried to “certify”
How are you advising your landlords or the COAs or HOAs you represent?
Harry
LAW OFFICES OF
HEIST, WEISSE & WOLK P.A.
PH: 1 800 253 8428
FAX: 1 800 367 9038
"Serving the Property Management Professional"
Website: http://www.evict.com/ www.evict.com
Email: mailto:harry@evict.com harry@evict.com
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