Owner Builder Permit = unlicensed contracting

RC
RPPTL CLC-Discussion
Mon, Apr 24, 2023 5:02 PM

Someone at CLI told me about either a recent case with a written opinion, or a case pending with a DCA regarding a holding or potential holding that an owner builder who fails to comply with the requirements of an owner builder permit (as laid out in the sworn statement they have to complete when they apply) is considered to have engaged in the act of unlicensed contracting and/or is liable under 553.84 for violation of the building code.  Anyone remember telling me that or know the case they are talking about?

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Someone at CLI told me about either a recent case with a written opinion, or a case pending with a DCA regarding a holding or potential holding that an owner builder who fails to comply with the requirements of an owner builder permit (as laid out in the sworn statement they have to complete when they apply) is considered to have engaged in the act of unlicensed contracting and/or is liable under 553.84 for violation of the building code. Anyone remember telling me that or know the case they are talking about? [cid:image001.jpg@01D976AC.F9E4BC70] Robert E. Doan Board Certified Construction Attorney Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil Mediator 231 N. Woodland Blvd. DeLand, FL 32720 (P) 386-736-7700 | (F) 386-785-1549 Offices In Daytona Beach and DeLand Website<http://www.cobbcole.com/>
RC
RPPTL CLC-Discussion
Tue, Apr 25, 2023 1:32 PM

I sort of discuss this topic in the Construction Licensing section of the Review Course.  Aside from my colorful personal comments about the Owner Builder exemption, owner builder is one of the enumerated exceptions to licensure.  If the owner builder is hiring unlicensed trades and not doing all the withholdings (tax, FICA, Social Security) then they are in violation of the Owner Builder permit.  They have to "employ" the unlicensed trade as that term is defined in 489.  That is what most of the police departments and building officials that hold the undercover stings say when they investigate the owner builder permits - that they almost always lead to the owner building committing or aiding unlicensed activity because they don't employ the trade.  It might be a stretch but they are certainly in violation of their own sworn affidavit and permit requirments.

I am not aware of any case holding that.

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Someone at CLI told me about either a recent case with a written opinion, or a case pending with a DCA regarding a holding or potential holding that an owner builder who fails to comply with the requirements of an owner builder permit (as laid out in the sworn statement they have to complete when they apply) is considered to have engaged in the act of unlicensed contracting and/or is liable under 553.84 for violation of the building code.  Anyone remember telling me that or know the case they are talking about?

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Robert E. Doan
Board Certified Construction Attorney
Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil Mediator
231 N. Woodland Blvd.
DeLand, FL 32720
(P) 386-736-7700 | (F) 386-785-1549

Offices In Daytona Beach and DeLand

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I sort of discuss this topic in the Construction Licensing section of the Review Course. Aside from my colorful personal comments about the Owner Builder exemption, owner builder is one of the enumerated exceptions to licensure. If the owner builder is hiring unlicensed trades and not doing all the withholdings (tax, FICA, Social Security) then they are in violation of the Owner Builder permit. They have to "employ" the unlicensed trade as that term is defined in 489. That is what most of the police departments and building officials that hold the undercover stings say when they investigate the owner builder permits - that they almost always lead to the owner building committing or aiding unlicensed activity because they don't employ the trade. It might be a stretch but they are certainly in violation of their own sworn affidavit and permit requirments. I am not aware of any case holding that. Christopher M. Cobb Managing Partner Board Certified in Construction Law LinkedIn<https://www.linkedin.com/in/christophermcobb/> | Bio<https://www.cobbgonzalez.com/attorneys/christopher-m-cobb/> [cid:image002.png@01D97758.E20A8D30] 4655 Salisbury Road Suite 200 Jacksonville, Florida 32256 (904) 822-8001 ccobb@cobbgonzalez.com<mailto:ccobb@cobbgonzalez.com> www.CobbGonzalez.com<http://www.cobbgonzalez.com/> [Logo Description automatically generated] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail transmission and any accompanying documents may contain confidential information, which is legally protected by the attorney-client privilege. The information contained in or accompanying this message is intended only for the use of the person or entity to whom it is addressed. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please respond to the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original e-mail. FAIR DEBT COLLECTION PRACTICES ACT: This is an attempt to collect a debt, and any information obtained will be used for that purpose. Unless you dispute the validity of this debt or any portion within 30 days of receipt of this notice, we will assume this debt is valid as stated. If you write and dispute this debt, or any portion of it, within the same 30 days, we will obtain and mail verification of the debt, or a copy of the judgment, whichever is applicable. Upon written request, within the same 30 days, we will provide you with the name and address of the original creditor, if different from the current creditor. From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of RPPTL CLC-Discussion Sent: Monday, April 24, 2023 1:02 PM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Owner Builder Permit = unlicensed contracting Someone at CLI told me about either a recent case with a written opinion, or a case pending with a DCA regarding a holding or potential holding that an owner builder who fails to comply with the requirements of an owner builder permit (as laid out in the sworn statement they have to complete when they apply) is considered to have engaged in the act of unlicensed contracting and/or is liable under 553.84 for violation of the building code. Anyone remember telling me that or know the case they are talking about? [cid:image004.jpg@01D97758.E20A8D30] Robert E. Doan Board Certified Construction Attorney Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil Mediator 231 N. Woodland Blvd. DeLand, FL 32720 (P) 386-736-7700 | (F) 386-785-1549 Offices In Daytona Beach and DeLand Website<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cobbcole.com_&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=TVLt0s_dvJ5jHgINL0whCuPJOhypoG92PIxTWeheaRU&m=na4HmrOZbL129LhmQq4FLixf79KsiYPKyoCKvu8RLu0&s=-fhbAQ08UEBdTCSfZbxyCzj1nf2YHkwUu4vVzMPV9nc&e=>