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[RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

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Dennis Chen
Mon, Jul 6, 2015 1:41 PM

I use the unlawful detainer statue without any reference to the eviction
statute.  Unlawful detainer does not provide for attorneys fees, the
eviction statute does.  They both provide for summary procedure under
51.011.  In the central Florida area I have had only one county judge hold
up the process and after a hearing where I explained what was going on the
judge entered judgment for possession.

If the girlfriend raises some claim that she is a tenant, then just set it
for hearing and have her prove her case.  You can amend the complaint at
that point to include eviction.

Dennis A. Chen, Esq.
Chen Law Firm, PA
13360 W. Colonial Dr, Ste. 470
Winter Garden, Florida 34787
Tel:  (407) 392-1872
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On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Lainie Simon ljsimon1@comcast.net wrote:

It never leaves unlawful detainer only.
Always do an alternative count for eviction.  You don’t know what she is
going to say and you don’t know the comfort level of the judge with
unlawful detainer.  You also have to think of the clerk and JA—they know
eviction but not unlawful detainer.  There is theory and reality.  Reality
holds that you always include a count for eviction.

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On Apr 3, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Anthony J. Horky ahorky@horkylaw.com wrote:

Thank you everyone for your excellent input.

Based on the opposing views this seems to be a grey area.  I’m inclined to
try unlawful detainer first but have recommended that the tenant attempt to
pay the ex-girlfriend to leave.  There are several incidents of prior
police calls so the references to a restraining order was well taken.  So
was the comment that the landlord may find the tenant in breach and have
them both removed.  I do not believe that ejectment is correct as there is
no issue of who has better title to the residence, and eviction is not
applicable because there is no rental agreement, oral or written, between
the tenant and his girlfriend.  That leaves unlawful detainer only.

82.04 Remedy for unlawful detention.—
(1) If any person enters or has entered in a peaceable manner into any
lands or tenements when the entry is lawful and after the expiration of the
person’s right continues to hold them against the consent of the party
entitled to possession, the party so entitled to possession is entitled to
the summary procedure under s. 51.011
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0051/Sections/0051.011.html,
at any time within 3 years after the possession has been withheld from the
party against his or her consent.

(2) This section shall not apply with regard to residential tenancies.

This is a case of two persons living in a residence, but for the
girlfriend it is not a “residential tenancy.”  Although Chapter 82 does not
apply to “residential tenancies” there is no such defined term under
Chapters 82 or 83.  As I wrote in ActionLine last year, without a
definition we should look to the terms under 83 that together can be used
to define such a tenancy.  There is no indicia of such tenancy here. The
girlfriend did not enter into a “rental agreement,” she is not a “tenant,”
the tenant is not a “landlord,” and the girlfriend is not paying “rent.”
At the same time, the tenant is entitled to possession.

Regards,

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Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

Same here.  I've filed many unlawful detainer cases under Chapter 82 for
various reasons, including facts similar to the case in discussion.  I
would recommend Chapter 83, not Ejectment.

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From: Joseph Alexander jalexander@lieserskaff.com
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

I agree with Daniel and the others...unlawful detainer.

Please excuse any typos, as this email was sent from my mobile device.

Thank you,

Joseph N. Alexander
LIESER SKAFF ALEXANDER, PLLC
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Suite 350
Tampa, Florida 33606
Phone: (813) 280-1256
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On Apr 2, 2015 3:08 PM, "Dariel Abrahamy" Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com
wrote:

I don’t necessarily agree that unlawful detention only applies to
non-residential tenancies.  I think 82.02(2) and 82.02(4) simply mean that
you can’t file an unlawful detention action if you have a residential
landlord-tenant relationship.  Here, there is no landlord-tenant
relationship between the tenant and his girlfriend. The landlord-tenant
relationship exists between the tenant and his landlord.  To file an
ejectment, you need to have a valid claim to legal title. The tenant
doesn’t have legal title.

Unlawful detainer would be my recommendation. Richards v. Finley, 259
So.2d 167.

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Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301

P: 954-491-1120; F: 954-343-6972

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landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] *On Behalf Of *Conrad Kahn
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 2:03 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

I believe unlawful detainee only applies to nonresidential tenancy.  See
Fla. Stat. 82.02.  And eviction would be inappropriate too because there's
no landlord-tenant relationship. Therefore, the proper cause of action is
ejectment under chapter 66.  This must be filed in circuit court
unfortunately.

On Apr 2, 2015 11:53 AM, "Anthony J. Horky" ahorky@horkylaw.com wrote:

Members:

I received a call from a tenant who signed a residential lease.  After
taking possession, he allowed his girlfriend to move in who does not pay
rent and did not sign the lease.  The relationship soured and now
girlfriend refuses to leave.  I am of the opinion that although the tenant
is still in possession and entry by the girlfriend was lawful, her
permission to remain in possession has been withdrawn and the tenant’s
remedy is unlawful detainer.  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.

Regards,

<image004.png>
Anthony J. Horky, Esquire
Anthony J. Horky, P.A.
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I use the unlawful detainer statue without any reference to the eviction statute. Unlawful detainer does not provide for attorneys fees, the eviction statute does. They both provide for summary procedure under 51.011. In the central Florida area I have had only one county judge hold up the process and after a hearing where I explained what was going on the judge entered judgment for possession. If the girlfriend raises some claim that she is a tenant, then just set it for hearing and have her prove her case. You can amend the complaint at that point to include eviction. Dennis A. Chen, Esq. Chen Law Firm, PA 13360 W. Colonial Dr, Ste. 470 Winter Garden, Florida 34787 Tel: (407) 392-1872 dennis@chenlaw.net Bankruptcy * Civil Litigation * Landlord/Tenant * Personal Injury * Real Estate Litigation CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any attachment, contains legally privileged and confidential information and is intended solely for the recipient. Should the intended recipient forward this message to any person or entity, that action could constitute a waiver of the attorney-client privilege. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited. If this communication was sent or received in error, please notify us by reply e-mail and delete the original message. On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Lainie Simon <ljsimon1@comcast.net> wrote: > It never leaves unlawful detainer only. > Always do an alternative count for eviction. You don’t know what she is > going to say and you don’t know the comfort level of the judge with > unlawful detainer. You also have to think of the clerk and JA—they know > eviction but not unlawful detainer. There is theory and reality. Reality > holds that you always include a count for eviction. > > > Lainie J. Simon, Esq. > 185 NW Spanish River Boulevard > Suite 220 > Boca Raton, FL 33431 > 561.445.1361 > 561.997.6224(fax) > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is covered by > the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521 and > is legally privileged. The contents of this e-mail message > and any attachments are intended solely for the party or parties addressed > and named in this message. This communication and all attachments, if > any, are intended to be and to remain confidential, and it may be > subject to the applicable attorney - client and or work product privileges. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message > has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the > sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message and its attachments. Do > not deliver, distribute, or copy this message and or any attachments if > you are not the intended recipient. Do not disclose the contents or take > any action in reliance upon the information contained in > this communication or any attachments. Although this E-mail and any > attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might > affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is > the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and > no responsibility is accepted by the sender for damage arising in any > way from its use. > Ê > > > > On Apr 3, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Anthony J. Horky <ahorky@horkylaw.com> wrote: > > Thank you everyone for your excellent input. > > Based on the opposing views this seems to be a grey area. I’m inclined to > try unlawful detainer first but have recommended that the tenant attempt to > pay the ex-girlfriend to leave. There are several incidents of prior > police calls so the references to a restraining order was well taken. So > was the comment that the landlord may find the tenant in breach and have > them both removed. I do not believe that ejectment is correct as there is > no issue of who has better title to the residence, and eviction is not > applicable because there is no rental agreement, oral or written, between > the tenant and his girlfriend. That leaves unlawful detainer only. > > *82.04 Remedy for unlawful detention.—* > *(1) If any person enters or has entered in a peaceable manner into any > lands or tenements when the entry is lawful and after the expiration of the > person’s right continues to hold them against the consent of the party > entitled to possession, the party so entitled to possession is entitled to > the summary procedure under s. 51.011 > <http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0051/Sections/0051.011.html>, > at any time within 3 years after the possession has been withheld from the > party against his or her consent.* > *(2) This section shall not apply with regard to residential tenancies.* > > This is a case of two persons living in a residence, but for the > girlfriend it is not a “residential tenancy.” Although Chapter 82 does not > apply to “residential tenancies” there is no such defined term under > Chapters 82 or 83. As I wrote in ActionLine last year, without a > definition we should look to the terms under 83 that together can be used > to define such a tenancy. There is no indicia of such tenancy here. The > girlfriend did not enter into a “rental agreement,” she is not a “tenant,” > the tenant is not a “landlord,” and the girlfriend is not paying “rent.” > At the same time, the tenant is entitled to possession. > > Regards, > > > > > <image002.png> > > *Anthony J. Horky, Esquire* > > Anthony J. Horky, P.A. > > 2255 Glades Road, Suite 324A > > Boca Raton, Florida 33431 > > T: 561.989.3206 > > F: 561.952.0096 > > www.horkylaw.com > > > This message and the documents attached to it, if any, are intended only > for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is > attorney-client privileged or confidential, and/or may contain attorney > work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please delete > all electronic copies of this message and its attachments, if any, destroy > any hard copies you may have created and notify me immediately at: > ahorky@horkylaw.com. > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Tax Advice Disclosure: To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by > the IRS under Circular 230, we inform you that any U.S. federal tax advice > contained in this communication (including any attachments), unless > otherwise specifically stated, was not intended or written to be used, and > cannot be used, for the purpose of (1) avoiding penalties under the > Internal Revenue Code or (2) promoting, marketing or recommending to > another party any matters addressed herein. > > > > *From:* landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [ > mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org > <landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>] *On Behalf Of *Cary Sabol > *Sent:* Thursday, April 02, 2015 3:38 PM > *To:* RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee > *Subject:* Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? > > > Same here. I've filed many unlawful detainer cases under Chapter 82 for > various reasons, including facts similar to the case in discussion. I > would recommend Chapter 83, not Ejectment. > > > > Cary > > *Law Offices of Cary P. Sabol* > > *P.O. Box 15981 | West Palm Beach | Florida | 33416 * > > *Phone: (561) 281-2744 <%28561%29%20281-2744>* > *------------------------------* > > *IRS Circular 230 Notice*: Pursuant to recently enacted U.S. Treasury > Department Regulations, we are now required to advise you that, unless > otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice expressed above was > neither written nor intended by the sender or this firm to be used and > cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding penalties that > may be imposed under U.S. tax law. 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If you have received this transmission in error, > please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and delete the original > message. Thank you for your cooperation. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Joseph Alexander <jalexander@lieserskaff.com> > *To:* RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee <landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org> > *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2015 3:22 PM > *Subject:* Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? > > > > I agree with Daniel and the others...unlawful detainer. > > Please excuse any typos, as this email was sent from my mobile device. > > Thank you, > > Joseph N. Alexander > LIESER SKAFF ALEXANDER, PLLC > 511 W. Bay Street > Suite 350 > Tampa, Florida 33606 > Phone: (813) 280-1256 > Fax: (813) 251-8715 > Email: jalexander@lieserskaff.com > Web: www.lieserskaff.com > > > > > On Apr 2, 2015 3:08 PM, "Dariel Abrahamy" <Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com> > wrote: > > I don’t necessarily agree that unlawful detention only applies to > non-residential tenancies. I think 82.02(2) and 82.02(4) simply mean that > you can’t file an unlawful detention action if you have a residential > landlord-tenant relationship. Here, there is no landlord-tenant > relationship between the tenant and his girlfriend. The landlord-tenant > relationship exists between the tenant and his landlord. To file an > ejectment, you need to have a valid claim to legal title. The tenant > doesn’t have legal title. > > > > Unlawful detainer would be my recommendation. *Richards v. Finley*, 259 > So.2d 167. > > > > > > <image003.jpg> > > Dariel Abrahamy, Esq. > > Shareholder > > 200 E. Broward Blvd, Suite 1800 > > Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 > > P: 954-491-1120; F: 954-343-6972 > > Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com > > > > > > > > > > *From:* landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto: > landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] *On Behalf Of *Conrad Kahn > *Sent:* Thursday, April 02, 2015 2:03 PM > *To:* RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee > *Subject:* Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? > > > > I believe unlawful detainee only applies to nonresidential tenancy. See > Fla. Stat. 82.02. And eviction would be inappropriate too because there's > no landlord-tenant relationship. Therefore, the proper cause of action is > ejectment under chapter 66. This must be filed in circuit court > unfortunately. > > On Apr 2, 2015 11:53 AM, "Anthony J. Horky" <ahorky@horkylaw.com> wrote: > > Members: > > I received a call from a tenant who signed a residential lease. After > taking possession, he allowed his girlfriend to move in who does not pay > rent and did not sign the lease. The relationship soured and now > girlfriend refuses to leave. I am of the opinion that although the tenant > is still in possession and entry by the girlfriend was lawful, her > permission to remain in possession has been withdrawn and the tenant’s > remedy is unlawful detainer. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. > Thank you. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > <image004.png> > *Anthony J. Horky, Esquire* > Anthony J. Horky, P.A. > 2255 Glades Road, Suite 324A > Boca Raton, Florida 33431 > T: 561.989.3206 > F: 561.952.0096 > www.horkylaw.com > > > This message and the documents attached to it, if any, are intended only > for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is > attorney-client privileged or confidential, and/or may contain attorney > work product. 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Leonard Cabral
Mon, Jul 6, 2015 11:13 PM

The new part of the unlawful detainer law went into effect July 1, 2015 which may help in your case if the girlfriend doesn’t have his address on her driver’s license.
Whether unlawful detainer or eviction is proper becomes a circular argument. There is case law which states that Chapter 82 does not apply.  There is also another case which states that “common law unlawful detainer” is appropriate which doesn’t allow summary procedure.  I have fought with this for almost 20 years and it seems the judges don’t know unlawful detainer and don’t care what you file if you have any argument they will evict.
In my opinion, there is no right answer as it is not addressed in the statute.  (I still have to  find a common law unlawful detainer case).
Leonard P. Cabral
Leonardcabral@lenslaw.com

From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Chen
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 9:42 AM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

I use the unlawful detainer statue without any reference to the eviction statute.  Unlawful detainer does not provide for attorneys fees, the eviction statute does.  They both provide for summary procedure under 51.011.  In the central Florida area I have had only one county judge hold up the process and after a hearing where I explained what was going on the judge entered judgment for possession.
If the girlfriend raises some claim that she is a tenant, then just set it for hearing and have her prove her case.  You can amend the complaint at that point to include eviction.

Dennis A. Chen, Esq.
Chen Law Firm, PA
13360 W. Colonial Dr, Ste. 470
Winter Garden, Florida 34787
Tel:  (407) 392-1872
dennis@chenlaw.netmailto:dennis@chenlaw.net

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On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Lainie Simon <ljsimon1@comcast.netmailto:ljsimon1@comcast.net> wrote:
It never leaves unlawful detainer only.
Always do an alternative count for eviction.  You don’t know what she is going to say and you don’t know the comfort level of the judge with unlawful detainer.  You also have to think of the clerk and JA—they know eviction but not unlawful detainer.  There is theory and reality.  Reality holds that you always include a count for eviction.

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On Apr 3, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Anthony J. Horky <ahorky@horkylaw.commailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com> wrote:

Thank you everyone for your excellent input.

Based on the opposing views this seems to be a grey area.  I’m inclined to try unlawful detainer first but have recommended that the tenant attempt to pay the ex-girlfriend to leave.  There are several incidents of prior police calls so the references to a restraining order was well taken.  So was the comment that the landlord may find the tenant in breach and have them both removed.  I do not believe that ejectment is correct as there is no issue of who has better title to the residence, and eviction is not applicable because there is no rental agreement, oral or written, between the tenant and his girlfriend.  That leaves unlawful detainer only.

82.04 Remedy for unlawful detention.—
(1) If any person enters or has entered in a peaceable manner into any lands or tenements when the entry is lawful and after the expiration of the person’s right continues to hold them against the consent of the party entitled to possession, the party so entitled to possession is entitled to the summary procedure under s. 51.011http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0051/Sections/0051.011.html, at any time within 3 years after the possession has been withheld from the party against his or her consent.
(2) This section shall not apply with regard to residential tenancies.

This is a case of two persons living in a residence, but for the girlfriend it is not a “residential tenancy.”  Although Chapter 82 does not apply to “residential tenancies” there is no such defined term under Chapters 82 or 83.  As I wrote in ActionLine last year, without a definition we should look to the terms under 83 that together can be used to define such a tenancy.  There is no indicia of such tenancy here. The girlfriend did not enter into a “rental agreement,” she is not a “tenant,” the tenant is not a “landlord,” and the girlfriend is not paying “rent.”  At the same time, the tenant is entitled to possession.

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Same here.  I've filed many unlawful detainer cases under Chapter 82 for various reasons, including facts similar to the case in discussion.  I would recommend Chapter 83, not Ejectment.

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I agree with Daniel and the others...unlawful detainer.
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On Apr 2, 2015 3:08 PM, "Dariel Abrahamy" <Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.commailto:Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com> wrote:
I don’t necessarily agree that unlawful detention only applies to non-residential tenancies.  I think 82.02(2) and 82.02(4) simply mean that you can’t file an unlawful detention action if you have a residential landlord-tenant relationship.  Here, there is no landlord-tenant relationship between the tenant and his girlfriend. The landlord-tenant relationship exists between the tenant and his landlord.  To file an ejectment, you need to have a valid claim to legal title. The tenant doesn’t have legal title.

Unlawful detainer would be my recommendation. Richards v. Finley, 259 So.2d 167.

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I believe unlawful detainee only applies to nonresidential tenancy.  See Fla. Stat. 82.02.  And eviction would be inappropriate too because there's no landlord-tenant relationship. Therefore, the proper cause of action is ejectment under chapter 66.  This must be filed in circuit court unfortunately.
On Apr 2, 2015 11:53 AM, "Anthony J. Horky" <ahorky@horkylaw.commailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com> wrote:
Members:
I received a call from a tenant who signed a residential lease.  After taking possession, he allowed his girlfriend to move in who does not pay rent and did not sign the lease.  The relationship soured and now girlfriend refuses to leave.  I am of the opinion that although the tenant  is still in possession and entry by the girlfriend was lawful, her permission to remain in possession has been withdrawn and the tenant’s remedy is unlawful detainer.  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.

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The new part of the unlawful detainer law went into effect July 1, 2015 which may help in your case if the girlfriend doesn’t have his address on her driver’s license. Whether unlawful detainer or eviction is proper becomes a circular argument. There is case law which states that Chapter 82 does not apply. There is also another case which states that “common law unlawful detainer” is appropriate which doesn’t allow summary procedure. I have fought with this for almost 20 years and it seems the judges don’t know unlawful detainer and don’t care what you file if you have any argument they will evict. In my opinion, there is no right answer as it is not addressed in the statute. (I still have to find a common law unlawful detainer case). Leonard P. Cabral Leonardcabral@lenslaw.com From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Chen Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 9:42 AM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? I use the unlawful detainer statue without any reference to the eviction statute. Unlawful detainer does not provide for attorneys fees, the eviction statute does. They both provide for summary procedure under 51.011. In the central Florida area I have had only one county judge hold up the process and after a hearing where I explained what was going on the judge entered judgment for possession. If the girlfriend raises some claim that she is a tenant, then just set it for hearing and have her prove her case. You can amend the complaint at that point to include eviction. Dennis A. Chen, Esq. Chen Law Firm, PA 13360 W. Colonial Dr, Ste. 470 Winter Garden, Florida 34787 Tel: (407) 392-1872 dennis@chenlaw.net<mailto:dennis@chenlaw.net> Bankruptcy * Civil Litigation * Landlord/Tenant * Personal Injury * Real Estate Litigation CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any attachment, contains legally privileged and confidential information and is intended solely for the recipient. Should the intended recipient forward this message to any person or entity, that action could constitute a waiver of the attorney-client privilege. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited. If this communication was sent or received in error, please notify us by reply e-mail and delete the original message. On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Lainie Simon <ljsimon1@comcast.net<mailto:ljsimon1@comcast.net>> wrote: It never leaves unlawful detainer only. Always do an alternative count for eviction. You don’t know what she is going to say and you don’t know the comfort level of the judge with unlawful detainer. You also have to think of the clerk and JA—they know eviction but not unlawful detainer. There is theory and reality. Reality holds that you always include a count for eviction. Lainie J. Simon, Esq. 185 NW Spanish River Boulevard Suite 220 Boca Raton, FL 33431 561.445.1361<tel:561.445.1361> 561.997.6224<tel:561.997.6224>(fax) PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521 and is legally privileged. The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the party or parties addressed and named in this message. This communication and all attachments, if any, are intended to be and to remain confidential, and it may be subject to the applicable attorney - client and or work product privileges. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message and its attachments. Do not deliver, distribute, or copy this message and or any attachments if you are not the intended recipient. Do not disclose the contents or take any action in reliance upon the information contained in this communication or any attachments. Although this E-mail and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the sender for damage arising in any way from its use. Ê On Apr 3, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Anthony J. Horky <ahorky@horkylaw.com<mailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com>> wrote: Thank you everyone for your excellent input. Based on the opposing views this seems to be a grey area. I’m inclined to try unlawful detainer first but have recommended that the tenant attempt to pay the ex-girlfriend to leave. There are several incidents of prior police calls so the references to a restraining order was well taken. So was the comment that the landlord may find the tenant in breach and have them both removed. I do not believe that ejectment is correct as there is no issue of who has better title to the residence, and eviction is not applicable because there is no rental agreement, oral or written, between the tenant and his girlfriend. That leaves unlawful detainer only. 82.04 Remedy for unlawful detention.— (1) If any person enters or has entered in a peaceable manner into any lands or tenements when the entry is lawful and after the expiration of the person’s right continues to hold them against the consent of the party entitled to possession, the party so entitled to possession is entitled to the summary procedure under s. 51.011<http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0051/Sections/0051.011.html>, at any time within 3 years after the possession has been withheld from the party against his or her consent. (2) This section shall not apply with regard to residential tenancies. This is a case of two persons living in a residence, but for the girlfriend it is not a “residential tenancy.” Although Chapter 82 does not apply to “residential tenancies” there is no such defined term under Chapters 82 or 83. As I wrote in ActionLine last year, without a definition we should look to the terms under 83 that together can be used to define such a tenancy. There is no indicia of such tenancy here. The girlfriend did not enter into a “rental agreement,” she is not a “tenant,” the tenant is not a “landlord,” and the girlfriend is not paying “rent.” At the same time, the tenant is entitled to possession. Regards, <image002.png> Anthony J. Horky, Esquire Anthony J. Horky, P.A. 2255 Glades Road, Suite 324A Boca Raton, Florida 33431 T: 561.989.3206<tel:561.989.3206> F: 561.952.0096<tel:561.952.0096> www.horkylaw.com<http://www.horkylaw.com/> This message and the documents attached to it, if any, are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is attorney-client privileged or confidential, and/or may contain attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Cary Sabol Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 3:38 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? Same here. I've filed many unlawful detainer cases under Chapter 82 for various reasons, including facts similar to the case in discussion. I would recommend Chapter 83, not Ejectment. Cary Law Offices of Cary P. Sabol P.O. 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I agree with Daniel and the others...unlawful detainer. Please excuse any typos, as this email was sent from my mobile device. Thank you, Joseph N. Alexander LIESER SKAFF ALEXANDER, PLLC 511 W. Bay Street Suite 350 Tampa, Florida 33606 Phone: (813) 280-1256<tel:%28813%29%20280-1256> Fax: (813) 251-8715<tel:%28813%29%20251-8715> Email: jalexander@lieserskaff.com<mailto:jalexander@lieserskaff.com> Web: www.lieserskaff.com<http://www.lieserskaff.com/> On Apr 2, 2015 3:08 PM, "Dariel Abrahamy" <Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com<mailto:Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com>> wrote: I don’t necessarily agree that unlawful detention only applies to non-residential tenancies. I think 82.02(2) and 82.02(4) simply mean that you can’t file an unlawful detention action if you have a residential landlord-tenant relationship. Here, there is no landlord-tenant relationship between the tenant and his girlfriend. The landlord-tenant relationship exists between the tenant and his landlord. To file an ejectment, you need to have a valid claim to legal title. The tenant doesn’t have legal title. Unlawful detainer would be my recommendation. Richards v. Finley, 259 So.2d 167. <image003.jpg> Dariel Abrahamy, Esq. Shareholder 200 E. Broward Blvd, Suite 1800 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 P: 954-491-1120<tel:954-491-1120>; F: 954-343-6972<tel:954-343-6972> Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com<mailto:Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com> From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>] On Behalf Of Conrad Kahn Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 2:03 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? I believe unlawful detainee only applies to nonresidential tenancy. See Fla. Stat. 82.02. And eviction would be inappropriate too because there's no landlord-tenant relationship. Therefore, the proper cause of action is ejectment under chapter 66. This must be filed in circuit court unfortunately. On Apr 2, 2015 11:53 AM, "Anthony J. Horky" <ahorky@horkylaw.com<mailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com>> wrote: Members: I received a call from a tenant who signed a residential lease. After taking possession, he allowed his girlfriend to move in who does not pay rent and did not sign the lease. The relationship soured and now girlfriend refuses to leave. I am of the opinion that although the tenant is still in possession and entry by the girlfriend was lawful, her permission to remain in possession has been withdrawn and the tenant’s remedy is unlawful detainer. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Regards, <image004.png> Anthony J. Horky, Esquire Anthony J. 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Leonard Cabral
Mon, Jul 6, 2015 11:39 PM

CAUTION in these case.  In my experience, Girlfriends find out that the Boyfriend want her out or is going to evict her, Girlfriend files an injunction for protection against domestic violence and the judge gives the girlfriend the rental dwelling.  She doesn’t pay rent and Boyfriend is evicted.
I have attached the new section of the unlawful detainer statute.

Leonard P. Cabral, Esq.
Leonardcabral@lenslaw.com
Please disregard inadvertent misspellings

From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Chen
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 9:42 AM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

I use the unlawful detainer statue without any reference to the eviction statute.  Unlawful detainer does not provide for attorneys fees, the eviction statute does.  They both provide for summary procedure under 51.011.  In the central Florida area I have had only one county judge hold up the process and after a hearing where I explained what was going on the judge entered judgment for possession.
If the girlfriend raises some claim that she is a tenant, then just set it for hearing and have her prove her case.  You can amend the complaint at that point to include eviction.

Dennis A. Chen, Esq.
Chen Law Firm, PA
13360 W. Colonial Dr, Ste. 470
Winter Garden, Florida 34787
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On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Lainie Simon <ljsimon1@comcast.netmailto:ljsimon1@comcast.net> wrote:
It never leaves unlawful detainer only.
Always do an alternative count for eviction.  You don’t know what she is going to say and you don’t know the comfort level of the judge with unlawful detainer.  You also have to think of the clerk and JA—they know eviction but not unlawful detainer.  There is theory and reality.  Reality holds that you always include a count for eviction.

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On Apr 3, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Anthony J. Horky <ahorky@horkylaw.commailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com> wrote:

Thank you everyone for your excellent input.

Based on the opposing views this seems to be a grey area.  I’m inclined to try unlawful detainer first but have recommended that the tenant attempt to pay the ex-girlfriend to leave.  There are several incidents of prior police calls so the references to a restraining order was well taken.  So was the comment that the landlord may find the tenant in breach and have them both removed.  I do not believe that ejectment is correct as there is no issue of who has better title to the residence, and eviction is not applicable because there is no rental agreement, oral or written, between the tenant and his girlfriend.  That leaves unlawful detainer only.

82.04 Remedy for unlawful detention.—
(1) If any person enters or has entered in a peaceable manner into any lands or tenements when the entry is lawful and after the expiration of the person’s right continues to hold them against the consent of the party entitled to possession, the party so entitled to possession is entitled to the summary procedure under s. 51.011http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0051/Sections/0051.011.html, at any time within 3 years after the possession has been withheld from the party against his or her consent.
(2) This section shall not apply with regard to residential tenancies.

This is a case of two persons living in a residence, but for the girlfriend it is not a “residential tenancy.”  Although Chapter 82 does not apply to “residential tenancies” there is no such defined term under Chapters 82 or 83.  As I wrote in ActionLine last year, without a definition we should look to the terms under 83 that together can be used to define such a tenancy.  There is no indicia of such tenancy here. The girlfriend did not enter into a “rental agreement,” she is not a “tenant,” the tenant is not a “landlord,” and the girlfriend is not paying “rent.”  At the same time, the tenant is entitled to possession.

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Same here.  I've filed many unlawful detainer cases under Chapter 82 for various reasons, including facts similar to the case in discussion.  I would recommend Chapter 83, not Ejectment.

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I agree with Daniel and the others...unlawful detainer.
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On Apr 2, 2015 3:08 PM, "Dariel Abrahamy" <Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.commailto:Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com> wrote:
I don’t necessarily agree that unlawful detention only applies to non-residential tenancies.  I think 82.02(2) and 82.02(4) simply mean that you can’t file an unlawful detention action if you have a residential landlord-tenant relationship.  Here, there is no landlord-tenant relationship between the tenant and his girlfriend. The landlord-tenant relationship exists between the tenant and his landlord.  To file an ejectment, you need to have a valid claim to legal title. The tenant doesn’t have legal title.

Unlawful detainer would be my recommendation. Richards v. Finley, 259 So.2d 167.

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Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

I believe unlawful detainee only applies to nonresidential tenancy.  See Fla. Stat. 82.02.  And eviction would be inappropriate too because there's no landlord-tenant relationship. Therefore, the proper cause of action is ejectment under chapter 66.  This must be filed in circuit court unfortunately.
On Apr 2, 2015 11:53 AM, "Anthony J. Horky" <ahorky@horkylaw.commailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com> wrote:
Members:
I received a call from a tenant who signed a residential lease.  After taking possession, he allowed his girlfriend to move in who does not pay rent and did not sign the lease.  The relationship soured and now girlfriend refuses to leave.  I am of the opinion that although the tenant  is still in possession and entry by the girlfriend was lawful, her permission to remain in possession has been withdrawn and the tenant’s remedy is unlawful detainer.  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.

Regards,

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CAUTION in these case. In my experience, Girlfriends find out that the Boyfriend want her out or is going to evict her, Girlfriend files an injunction for protection against domestic violence and the judge gives the girlfriend the rental dwelling. She doesn’t pay rent and Boyfriend is evicted. I have attached the new section of the unlawful detainer statute. Leonard P. Cabral, Esq. Leonardcabral@lenslaw.com Please disregard inadvertent misspellings From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Chen Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 9:42 AM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? I use the unlawful detainer statue without any reference to the eviction statute. Unlawful detainer does not provide for attorneys fees, the eviction statute does. They both provide for summary procedure under 51.011. In the central Florida area I have had only one county judge hold up the process and after a hearing where I explained what was going on the judge entered judgment for possession. If the girlfriend raises some claim that she is a tenant, then just set it for hearing and have her prove her case. You can amend the complaint at that point to include eviction. Dennis A. Chen, Esq. Chen Law Firm, PA 13360 W. Colonial Dr, Ste. 470 Winter Garden, Florida 34787 Tel: (407) 392-1872 dennis@chenlaw.net<mailto:dennis@chenlaw.net> Bankruptcy * Civil Litigation * Landlord/Tenant * Personal Injury * Real Estate Litigation CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any attachment, contains legally privileged and confidential information and is intended solely for the recipient. Should the intended recipient forward this message to any person or entity, that action could constitute a waiver of the attorney-client privilege. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited. If this communication was sent or received in error, please notify us by reply e-mail and delete the original message. On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Lainie Simon <ljsimon1@comcast.net<mailto:ljsimon1@comcast.net>> wrote: It never leaves unlawful detainer only. Always do an alternative count for eviction. You don’t know what she is going to say and you don’t know the comfort level of the judge with unlawful detainer. You also have to think of the clerk and JA—they know eviction but not unlawful detainer. There is theory and reality. Reality holds that you always include a count for eviction. Lainie J. Simon, Esq. 185 NW Spanish River Boulevard Suite 220 Boca Raton, FL 33431 561.445.1361<tel:561.445.1361> 561.997.6224<tel:561.997.6224>(fax) PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521 and is legally privileged. The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the party or parties addressed and named in this message. This communication and all attachments, if any, are intended to be and to remain confidential, and it may be subject to the applicable attorney - client and or work product privileges. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message and its attachments. Do not deliver, distribute, or copy this message and or any attachments if you are not the intended recipient. Do not disclose the contents or take any action in reliance upon the information contained in this communication or any attachments. Although this E-mail and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the sender for damage arising in any way from its use. Ê On Apr 3, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Anthony J. Horky <ahorky@horkylaw.com<mailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com>> wrote: Thank you everyone for your excellent input. Based on the opposing views this seems to be a grey area. I’m inclined to try unlawful detainer first but have recommended that the tenant attempt to pay the ex-girlfriend to leave. There are several incidents of prior police calls so the references to a restraining order was well taken. So was the comment that the landlord may find the tenant in breach and have them both removed. I do not believe that ejectment is correct as there is no issue of who has better title to the residence, and eviction is not applicable because there is no rental agreement, oral or written, between the tenant and his girlfriend. That leaves unlawful detainer only. 82.04 Remedy for unlawful detention.— (1) If any person enters or has entered in a peaceable manner into any lands or tenements when the entry is lawful and after the expiration of the person’s right continues to hold them against the consent of the party entitled to possession, the party so entitled to possession is entitled to the summary procedure under s. 51.011<http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0051/Sections/0051.011.html>, at any time within 3 years after the possession has been withheld from the party against his or her consent. (2) This section shall not apply with regard to residential tenancies. This is a case of two persons living in a residence, but for the girlfriend it is not a “residential tenancy.” Although Chapter 82 does not apply to “residential tenancies” there is no such defined term under Chapters 82 or 83. As I wrote in ActionLine last year, without a definition we should look to the terms under 83 that together can be used to define such a tenancy. There is no indicia of such tenancy here. The girlfriend did not enter into a “rental agreement,” she is not a “tenant,” the tenant is not a “landlord,” and the girlfriend is not paying “rent.” At the same time, the tenant is entitled to possession. Regards, <image002.png> Anthony J. Horky, Esquire Anthony J. 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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Cary Sabol Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 3:38 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? Same here. I've filed many unlawful detainer cases under Chapter 82 for various reasons, including facts similar to the case in discussion. I would recommend Chapter 83, not Ejectment. Cary Law Offices of Cary P. Sabol P.O. Box 15981 | West Palm Beach | Florida | 33416 Phone: (561) 281-2744<tel:%28561%29%20281-2744> ________________________________ IRS Circular 230 Notice: Pursuant to recently enacted U.S. Treasury Department Regulations, we are now required to advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice expressed above was neither written nor intended by the sender or this firm to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then the advice should be considered to have been written to support the promotion or marketing by a person other than the sender or this firm of that transaction or matter, and such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayer's particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. 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I agree with Daniel and the others...unlawful detainer. Please excuse any typos, as this email was sent from my mobile device. Thank you, Joseph N. Alexander LIESER SKAFF ALEXANDER, PLLC 511 W. Bay Street Suite 350 Tampa, Florida 33606 Phone: (813) 280-1256<tel:%28813%29%20280-1256> Fax: (813) 251-8715<tel:%28813%29%20251-8715> Email: jalexander@lieserskaff.com<mailto:jalexander@lieserskaff.com> Web: www.lieserskaff.com<http://www.lieserskaff.com/> On Apr 2, 2015 3:08 PM, "Dariel Abrahamy" <Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com<mailto:Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com>> wrote: I don’t necessarily agree that unlawful detention only applies to non-residential tenancies. I think 82.02(2) and 82.02(4) simply mean that you can’t file an unlawful detention action if you have a residential landlord-tenant relationship. Here, there is no landlord-tenant relationship between the tenant and his girlfriend. The landlord-tenant relationship exists between the tenant and his landlord. To file an ejectment, you need to have a valid claim to legal title. The tenant doesn’t have legal title. Unlawful detainer would be my recommendation. Richards v. Finley, 259 So.2d 167. <image003.jpg> Dariel Abrahamy, Esq. Shareholder 200 E. Broward Blvd, Suite 1800 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 P: 954-491-1120<tel:954-491-1120>; F: 954-343-6972<tel:954-343-6972> Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com<mailto:Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com> From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>] On Behalf Of Conrad Kahn Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 2:03 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? I believe unlawful detainee only applies to nonresidential tenancy. See Fla. Stat. 82.02. And eviction would be inappropriate too because there's no landlord-tenant relationship. Therefore, the proper cause of action is ejectment under chapter 66. This must be filed in circuit court unfortunately. On Apr 2, 2015 11:53 AM, "Anthony J. Horky" <ahorky@horkylaw.com<mailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com>> wrote: Members: I received a call from a tenant who signed a residential lease. After taking possession, he allowed his girlfriend to move in who does not pay rent and did not sign the lease. The relationship soured and now girlfriend refuses to leave. I am of the opinion that although the tenant is still in possession and entry by the girlfriend was lawful, her permission to remain in possession has been withdrawn and the tenant’s remedy is unlawful detainer. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Regards, <image004.png> Anthony J. Horky, Esquire Anthony J. 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Leonard Cabral
Tue, Jul 7, 2015 12:10 AM

Since we are on the subject of unlawful detainer

If the landlord takes possession from the tenant without legal process, (lock out) can the tenant bring an action for unlawful detainer against the landlord?    I believe the strict reading of the statute you can. I think it is irrelevant to such an action that the tenant’s possession is wrongful since the action for unlawful detainer is designed to compel the party claiming rightful possession (Tenant who was locked out) to use legal channels to evict the tenant.  I haven’t done this yet only because I do not like the language in the statute regarding residential tenancies.  (My first thought when I devised this plan to file an unlawful detainer against a landlord who locked out a tenant was that the language was specifically put in the statute so an unlawful detainer you could not be brought against a landlord in residential lockouts),

Anyone like to comment?  Anyone agree or disagree?

Leonard P. Cabral, Esq.
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Please disregard inadvertent misspellings

From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Leonard Cabral
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 7:40 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

CAUTION in these case.  In my experience, Girlfriends find out that the Boyfriend want her out or is going to evict her, Girlfriend files an injunction for protection against domestic violence and the judge gives the girlfriend the rental dwelling.  She doesn’t pay rent and Boyfriend is evicted.
I have attached the new section of the unlawful detainer statute.

Leonard P. Cabral, Esq.
Leonardcabral@lenslaw.commailto:Leonardcabral@lenslaw.com
Please disregard inadvertent misspellings

From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Chen
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 9:42 AM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

I use the unlawful detainer statue without any reference to the eviction statute.  Unlawful detainer does not provide for attorneys fees, the eviction statute does.  They both provide for summary procedure under 51.011.  In the central Florida area I have had only one county judge hold up the process and after a hearing where I explained what was going on the judge entered judgment for possession.
If the girlfriend raises some claim that she is a tenant, then just set it for hearing and have her prove her case.  You can amend the complaint at that point to include eviction.

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On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Lainie Simon <ljsimon1@comcast.netmailto:ljsimon1@comcast.net> wrote:
It never leaves unlawful detainer only.
Always do an alternative count for eviction.  You don’t know what she is going to say and you don’t know the comfort level of the judge with unlawful detainer.  You also have to think of the clerk and JA—they know eviction but not unlawful detainer.  There is theory and reality.  Reality holds that you always include a count for eviction.

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On Apr 3, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Anthony J. Horky <ahorky@horkylaw.commailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com> wrote:

Thank you everyone for your excellent input.

Based on the opposing views this seems to be a grey area.  I’m inclined to try unlawful detainer first but have recommended that the tenant attempt to pay the ex-girlfriend to leave.  There are several incidents of prior police calls so the references to a restraining order was well taken.  So was the comment that the landlord may find the tenant in breach and have them both removed.  I do not believe that ejectment is correct as there is no issue of who has better title to the residence, and eviction is not applicable because there is no rental agreement, oral or written, between the tenant and his girlfriend.  That leaves unlawful detainer only.

82.04 Remedy for unlawful detention.—
(1) If any person enters or has entered in a peaceable manner into any lands or tenements when the entry is lawful and after the expiration of the person’s right continues to hold them against the consent of the party entitled to possession, the party so entitled to possession is entitled to the summary procedure under s. 51.011http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0051/Sections/0051.011.html, at any time within 3 years after the possession has been withheld from the party against his or her consent.
(2) This section shall not apply with regard to residential tenancies.

This is a case of two persons living in a residence, but for the girlfriend it is not a “residential tenancy.”  Although Chapter 82 does not apply to “residential tenancies” there is no such defined term under Chapters 82 or 83.  As I wrote in ActionLine last year, without a definition we should look to the terms under 83 that together can be used to define such a tenancy.  There is no indicia of such tenancy here. The girlfriend did not enter into a “rental agreement,” she is not a “tenant,” the tenant is not a “landlord,” and the girlfriend is not paying “rent.”  At the same time, the tenant is entitled to possession.

Regards,

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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Cary Sabol
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 3:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

Same here.  I've filed many unlawful detainer cases under Chapter 82 for various reasons, including facts similar to the case in discussion.  I would recommend Chapter 83, not Ejectment.

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Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

I agree with Daniel and the others...unlawful detainer.
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On Apr 2, 2015 3:08 PM, "Dariel Abrahamy" <Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.commailto:Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com> wrote:
I don’t necessarily agree that unlawful detention only applies to non-residential tenancies.  I think 82.02(2) and 82.02(4) simply mean that you can’t file an unlawful detention action if you have a residential landlord-tenant relationship.  Here, there is no landlord-tenant relationship between the tenant and his girlfriend. The landlord-tenant relationship exists between the tenant and his landlord.  To file an ejectment, you need to have a valid claim to legal title. The tenant doesn’t have legal title.

Unlawful detainer would be my recommendation. Richards v. Finley, 259 So.2d 167.

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Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 2:03 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

I believe unlawful detainee only applies to nonresidential tenancy.  See Fla. Stat. 82.02.  And eviction would be inappropriate too because there's no landlord-tenant relationship. Therefore, the proper cause of action is ejectment under chapter 66.  This must be filed in circuit court unfortunately.
On Apr 2, 2015 11:53 AM, "Anthony J. Horky" <ahorky@horkylaw.commailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com> wrote:
Members:
I received a call from a tenant who signed a residential lease.  After taking possession, he allowed his girlfriend to move in who does not pay rent and did not sign the lease.  The relationship soured and now girlfriend refuses to leave.  I am of the opinion that although the tenant  is still in possession and entry by the girlfriend was lawful, her permission to remain in possession has been withdrawn and the tenant’s remedy is unlawful detainer.  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.

Regards,

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Since we are on the subject of unlawful detainer If the landlord takes possession from the tenant without legal process, (lock out) can the tenant bring an action for unlawful detainer against the landlord? I believe the strict reading of the statute you can. I think it is irrelevant to such an action that the tenant’s possession is wrongful since the action for unlawful detainer is designed to compel the party claiming rightful possession (Tenant who was locked out) to use legal channels to evict the tenant. I haven’t done this yet only because I do not like the language in the statute regarding residential tenancies. (My first thought when I devised this plan to file an unlawful detainer against a landlord who locked out a tenant was that the language was specifically put in the statute so an unlawful detainer you could not be brought against a landlord in residential lockouts), Anyone like to comment? Anyone agree or disagree? Leonard P. Cabral, Esq. Leonardcabral@lenslaw.com Please disregard inadvertent misspellings From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Leonard Cabral Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 7:40 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? CAUTION in these case. In my experience, Girlfriends find out that the Boyfriend want her out or is going to evict her, Girlfriend files an injunction for protection against domestic violence and the judge gives the girlfriend the rental dwelling. She doesn’t pay rent and Boyfriend is evicted. I have attached the new section of the unlawful detainer statute. Leonard P. Cabral, Esq. Leonardcabral@lenslaw.com<mailto:Leonardcabral@lenslaw.com> Please disregard inadvertent misspellings From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Chen Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 9:42 AM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? I use the unlawful detainer statue without any reference to the eviction statute. Unlawful detainer does not provide for attorneys fees, the eviction statute does. They both provide for summary procedure under 51.011. In the central Florida area I have had only one county judge hold up the process and after a hearing where I explained what was going on the judge entered judgment for possession. If the girlfriend raises some claim that she is a tenant, then just set it for hearing and have her prove her case. You can amend the complaint at that point to include eviction. Dennis A. Chen, Esq. Chen Law Firm, PA 13360 W. Colonial Dr, Ste. 470 Winter Garden, Florida 34787 Tel: (407) 392-1872 dennis@chenlaw.net<mailto:dennis@chenlaw.net> Bankruptcy * Civil Litigation * Landlord/Tenant * Personal Injury * Real Estate Litigation CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any attachment, contains legally privileged and confidential information and is intended solely for the recipient. Should the intended recipient forward this message to any person or entity, that action could constitute a waiver of the attorney-client privilege. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited. If this communication was sent or received in error, please notify us by reply e-mail and delete the original message. On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Lainie Simon <ljsimon1@comcast.net<mailto:ljsimon1@comcast.net>> wrote: It never leaves unlawful detainer only. Always do an alternative count for eviction. You don’t know what she is going to say and you don’t know the comfort level of the judge with unlawful detainer. You also have to think of the clerk and JA—they know eviction but not unlawful detainer. There is theory and reality. Reality holds that you always include a count for eviction. Lainie J. Simon, Esq. 185 NW Spanish River Boulevard Suite 220 Boca Raton, FL 33431 561.445.1361<tel:561.445.1361> 561.997.6224<tel:561.997.6224>(fax) PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521 and is legally privileged. The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the party or parties addressed and named in this message. This communication and all attachments, if any, are intended to be and to remain confidential, and it may be subject to the applicable attorney - client and or work product privileges. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message and its attachments. Do not deliver, distribute, or copy this message and or any attachments if you are not the intended recipient. Do not disclose the contents or take any action in reliance upon the information contained in this communication or any attachments. Although this E-mail and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the sender for damage arising in any way from its use. Ê On Apr 3, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Anthony J. Horky <ahorky@horkylaw.com<mailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com>> wrote: Thank you everyone for your excellent input. Based on the opposing views this seems to be a grey area. I’m inclined to try unlawful detainer first but have recommended that the tenant attempt to pay the ex-girlfriend to leave. There are several incidents of prior police calls so the references to a restraining order was well taken. So was the comment that the landlord may find the tenant in breach and have them both removed. I do not believe that ejectment is correct as there is no issue of who has better title to the residence, and eviction is not applicable because there is no rental agreement, oral or written, between the tenant and his girlfriend. That leaves unlawful detainer only. 82.04 Remedy for unlawful detention.— (1) If any person enters or has entered in a peaceable manner into any lands or tenements when the entry is lawful and after the expiration of the person’s right continues to hold them against the consent of the party entitled to possession, the party so entitled to possession is entitled to the summary procedure under s. 51.011<http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0051/Sections/0051.011.html>, at any time within 3 years after the possession has been withheld from the party against his or her consent. (2) This section shall not apply with regard to residential tenancies. This is a case of two persons living in a residence, but for the girlfriend it is not a “residential tenancy.” Although Chapter 82 does not apply to “residential tenancies” there is no such defined term under Chapters 82 or 83. As I wrote in ActionLine last year, without a definition we should look to the terms under 83 that together can be used to define such a tenancy. There is no indicia of such tenancy here. The girlfriend did not enter into a “rental agreement,” she is not a “tenant,” the tenant is not a “landlord,” and the girlfriend is not paying “rent.” At the same time, the tenant is entitled to possession. Regards, <image002.png> Anthony J. Horky, Esquire Anthony J. Horky, P.A. 2255 Glades Road, Suite 324A Boca Raton, Florida 33431 T: 561.989.3206<tel:561.989.3206> F: 561.952.0096<tel:561.952.0096> www.horkylaw.com<http://www.horkylaw.com/> This message and the documents attached to it, if any, are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is attorney-client privileged or confidential, and/or may contain attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message and its attachments, if any, destroy any hard copies you may have created and notify me immediately at: ahorky@horkylaw.com<mailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com>. ------------------------------------------------------- Tax Advice Disclosure: To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by the IRS under Circular 230, we inform you that any U.S. federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments), unless otherwise specifically stated, was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (1) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (2) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any matters addressed herein. From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Cary Sabol Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 3:38 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? Same here. I've filed many unlawful detainer cases under Chapter 82 for various reasons, including facts similar to the case in discussion. I would recommend Chapter 83, not Ejectment. Cary Law Offices of Cary P. Sabol P.O. 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I agree with Daniel and the others...unlawful detainer. Please excuse any typos, as this email was sent from my mobile device. Thank you, Joseph N. Alexander LIESER SKAFF ALEXANDER, PLLC 511 W. Bay Street Suite 350 Tampa, Florida 33606 Phone: (813) 280-1256<tel:%28813%29%20280-1256> Fax: (813) 251-8715<tel:%28813%29%20251-8715> Email: jalexander@lieserskaff.com<mailto:jalexander@lieserskaff.com> Web: www.lieserskaff.com<http://www.lieserskaff.com/> On Apr 2, 2015 3:08 PM, "Dariel Abrahamy" <Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com<mailto:Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com>> wrote: I don’t necessarily agree that unlawful detention only applies to non-residential tenancies. I think 82.02(2) and 82.02(4) simply mean that you can’t file an unlawful detention action if you have a residential landlord-tenant relationship. Here, there is no landlord-tenant relationship between the tenant and his girlfriend. The landlord-tenant relationship exists between the tenant and his landlord. To file an ejectment, you need to have a valid claim to legal title. The tenant doesn’t have legal title. Unlawful detainer would be my recommendation. Richards v. Finley, 259 So.2d 167. <image003.jpg> Dariel Abrahamy, Esq. Shareholder 200 E. Broward Blvd, Suite 1800 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 P: 954-491-1120<tel:954-491-1120>; F: 954-343-6972<tel:954-343-6972> Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com<mailto:Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com> From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>] On Behalf Of Conrad Kahn Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 2:03 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? I believe unlawful detainee only applies to nonresidential tenancy. See Fla. Stat. 82.02. And eviction would be inappropriate too because there's no landlord-tenant relationship. Therefore, the proper cause of action is ejectment under chapter 66. This must be filed in circuit court unfortunately. On Apr 2, 2015 11:53 AM, "Anthony J. Horky" <ahorky@horkylaw.com<mailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com>> wrote: Members: I received a call from a tenant who signed a residential lease. After taking possession, he allowed his girlfriend to move in who does not pay rent and did not sign the lease. The relationship soured and now girlfriend refuses to leave. I am of the opinion that although the tenant is still in possession and entry by the girlfriend was lawful, her permission to remain in possession has been withdrawn and the tenant’s remedy is unlawful detainer. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Regards, <image004.png> Anthony J. Horky, Esquire Anthony J. 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The remedy in this case is unlawful detainer under Chapter 82.  A new section has been added to Chapter 82 and became law July 1, 2015.  Interesting to see how the police departments react to the new section.

Attached also is something Anthony Horky drafted a few years ago.  I refer to it each time a unlawful detainer or eviction comes up.  Thank you Anthony and I hope you don’t mind me sharing your work with the group.  Arlene

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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Chen
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 9:42 AM
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Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

I use the unlawful detainer statue without any reference to the eviction statute.  Unlawful detainer does not provide for attorneys fees, the eviction statute does.  They both provide for summary procedure under 51.011.  In the central Florida area I have had only one county judge hold up the process and after a hearing where I explained what was going on the judge entered judgment for possession.
If the girlfriend raises some claim that she is a tenant, then just set it for hearing and have her prove her case.  You can amend the complaint at that point to include eviction.

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On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Lainie Simon <ljsimon1@comcast.netmailto:ljsimon1@comcast.net> wrote:
It never leaves unlawful detainer only.
Always do an alternative count for eviction.  You don’t know what she is going to say and you don’t know the comfort level of the judge with unlawful detainer.  You also have to think of the clerk and JA—they know eviction but not unlawful detainer.  There is theory and reality.  Reality holds that you always include a count for eviction.

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On Apr 3, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Anthony J. Horky <ahorky@horkylaw.commailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com> wrote:

Thank you everyone for your excellent input.

Based on the opposing views this seems to be a grey area.  I’m inclined to try unlawful detainer first but have recommended that the tenant attempt to pay the ex-girlfriend to leave.  There are several incidents of prior police calls so the references to a restraining order was well taken.  So was the comment that the landlord may find the tenant in breach and have them both removed.  I do not believe that ejectment is correct as there is no issue of who has better title to the residence, and eviction is not applicable because there is no rental agreement, oral or written, between the tenant and his girlfriend.  That leaves unlawful detainer only.

82.04 Remedy for unlawful detention.—
(1) If any person enters or has entered in a peaceable manner into any lands or tenements when the entry is lawful and after the expiration of the person’s right continues to hold them against the consent of the party entitled to possession, the party so entitled to possession is entitled to the summary procedure under s. 51.011http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0051/Sections/0051.011.html, at any time within 3 years after the possession has been withheld from the party against his or her consent.
(2) This section shall not apply with regard to residential tenancies.

This is a case of two persons living in a residence, but for the girlfriend it is not a “residential tenancy.”  Although Chapter 82 does not apply to “residential tenancies” there is no such defined term under Chapters 82 or 83.  As I wrote in ActionLine last year, without a definition we should look to the terms under 83 that together can be used to define such a tenancy.  There is no indicia of such tenancy here. The girlfriend did not enter into a “rental agreement,” she is not a “tenant,” the tenant is not a “landlord,” and the girlfriend is not paying “rent.”  At the same time, the tenant is entitled to possession.

Regards,

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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Cary Sabol
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 3:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

Same here.  I've filed many unlawful detainer cases under Chapter 82 for various reasons, including facts similar to the case in discussion.  I would recommend Chapter 83, not Ejectment.

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I agree with Daniel and the others...unlawful detainer.
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On Apr 2, 2015 3:08 PM, "Dariel Abrahamy" <Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.commailto:Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com> wrote:
I don’t necessarily agree that unlawful detention only applies to non-residential tenancies.  I think 82.02(2) and 82.02(4) simply mean that you can’t file an unlawful detention action if you have a residential landlord-tenant relationship.  Here, there is no landlord-tenant relationship between the tenant and his girlfriend. The landlord-tenant relationship exists between the tenant and his landlord.  To file an ejectment, you need to have a valid claim to legal title. The tenant doesn’t have legal title.

Unlawful detainer would be my recommendation. Richards v. Finley, 259 So.2d 167.

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Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 2:03 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

I believe unlawful detainee only applies to nonresidential tenancy.  See Fla. Stat. 82.02.  And eviction would be inappropriate too because there's no landlord-tenant relationship. Therefore, the proper cause of action is ejectment under chapter 66.  This must be filed in circuit court unfortunately.
On Apr 2, 2015 11:53 AM, "Anthony J. Horky" <ahorky@horkylaw.commailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com> wrote:
Members:
I received a call from a tenant who signed a residential lease.  After taking possession, he allowed his girlfriend to move in who does not pay rent and did not sign the lease.  The relationship soured and now girlfriend refuses to leave.  I am of the opinion that although the tenant  is still in possession and entry by the girlfriend was lawful, her permission to remain in possession has been withdrawn and the tenant’s remedy is unlawful detainer.  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.

Regards,

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The remedy in this case is unlawful detainer under Chapter 82. A new section has been added to Chapter 82 and became law July 1, 2015. Interesting to see how the police departments react to the new section. Attached also is something Anthony Horky drafted a few years ago. I refer to it each time a unlawful detainer or eviction comes up. Thank you Anthony and I hope you don’t mind me sharing your work with the group. Arlene [Udick Law Logo_sig] Arlene C. Udick, Esq. (p) 352-391-1888 (c) 352-217-3176 EMAIL CONFIDENTIALITY: The information contained in this electronic message may contain attorney-client privilege and confidential information intended only for use of the owner of the email address listed as the recipient of this message. If you are not the intended recipient of this email message you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by return email and/or by telephone at 352-391-1888. From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Chen Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 9:42 AM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? I use the unlawful detainer statue without any reference to the eviction statute. Unlawful detainer does not provide for attorneys fees, the eviction statute does. They both provide for summary procedure under 51.011. In the central Florida area I have had only one county judge hold up the process and after a hearing where I explained what was going on the judge entered judgment for possession. If the girlfriend raises some claim that she is a tenant, then just set it for hearing and have her prove her case. You can amend the complaint at that point to include eviction. Dennis A. Chen, Esq. Chen Law Firm, PA 13360 W. Colonial Dr, Ste. 470 Winter Garden, Florida 34787 Tel: (407) 392-1872 dennis@chenlaw.net<mailto:dennis@chenlaw.net> Bankruptcy * Civil Litigation * Landlord/Tenant * Personal Injury * Real Estate Litigation CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any attachment, contains legally privileged and confidential information and is intended solely for the recipient. Should the intended recipient forward this message to any person or entity, that action could constitute a waiver of the attorney-client privilege. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited. If this communication was sent or received in error, please notify us by reply e-mail and delete the original message. On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Lainie Simon <ljsimon1@comcast.net<mailto:ljsimon1@comcast.net>> wrote: It never leaves unlawful detainer only. Always do an alternative count for eviction. You don’t know what she is going to say and you don’t know the comfort level of the judge with unlawful detainer. You also have to think of the clerk and JA—they know eviction but not unlawful detainer. There is theory and reality. Reality holds that you always include a count for eviction. Lainie J. Simon, Esq. 185 NW Spanish River Boulevard Suite 220 Boca Raton, FL 33431 561.445.1361<tel:561.445.1361> 561.997.6224<tel:561.997.6224>(fax) PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521 and is legally privileged. The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the party or parties addressed and named in this message. This communication and all attachments, if any, are intended to be and to remain confidential, and it may be subject to the applicable attorney - client and or work product privileges. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message and its attachments. Do not deliver, distribute, or copy this message and or any attachments if you are not the intended recipient. Do not disclose the contents or take any action in reliance upon the information contained in this communication or any attachments. Although this E-mail and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the sender for damage arising in any way from its use. Ê On Apr 3, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Anthony J. Horky <ahorky@horkylaw.com<mailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com>> wrote: Thank you everyone for your excellent input. Based on the opposing views this seems to be a grey area. I’m inclined to try unlawful detainer first but have recommended that the tenant attempt to pay the ex-girlfriend to leave. There are several incidents of prior police calls so the references to a restraining order was well taken. So was the comment that the landlord may find the tenant in breach and have them both removed. I do not believe that ejectment is correct as there is no issue of who has better title to the residence, and eviction is not applicable because there is no rental agreement, oral or written, between the tenant and his girlfriend. That leaves unlawful detainer only. 82.04 Remedy for unlawful detention.— (1) If any person enters or has entered in a peaceable manner into any lands or tenements when the entry is lawful and after the expiration of the person’s right continues to hold them against the consent of the party entitled to possession, the party so entitled to possession is entitled to the summary procedure under s. 51.011<http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0051/Sections/0051.011.html>, at any time within 3 years after the possession has been withheld from the party against his or her consent. (2) This section shall not apply with regard to residential tenancies. This is a case of two persons living in a residence, but for the girlfriend it is not a “residential tenancy.” Although Chapter 82 does not apply to “residential tenancies” there is no such defined term under Chapters 82 or 83. As I wrote in ActionLine last year, without a definition we should look to the terms under 83 that together can be used to define such a tenancy. There is no indicia of such tenancy here. The girlfriend did not enter into a “rental agreement,” she is not a “tenant,” the tenant is not a “landlord,” and the girlfriend is not paying “rent.” At the same time, the tenant is entitled to possession. Regards, <image002.png> Anthony J. Horky, Esquire Anthony J. Horky, P.A. 2255 Glades Road, Suite 324A Boca Raton, Florida 33431 T: 561.989.3206<tel:561.989.3206> F: 561.952.0096<tel:561.952.0096> www.horkylaw.com<http://www.horkylaw.com/> This message and the documents attached to it, if any, are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is attorney-client privileged or confidential, and/or may contain attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message and its attachments, if any, destroy any hard copies you may have created and notify me immediately at: ahorky@horkylaw.com<mailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com>. ------------------------------------------------------- Tax Advice Disclosure: To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by the IRS under Circular 230, we inform you that any U.S. federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments), unless otherwise specifically stated, was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (1) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (2) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any matters addressed herein. From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Cary Sabol Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 3:38 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? Same here. I've filed many unlawful detainer cases under Chapter 82 for various reasons, including facts similar to the case in discussion. I would recommend Chapter 83, not Ejectment. Cary Law Offices of Cary P. Sabol P.O. 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I agree with Daniel and the others...unlawful detainer. Please excuse any typos, as this email was sent from my mobile device. Thank you, Joseph N. Alexander LIESER SKAFF ALEXANDER, PLLC 511 W. Bay Street Suite 350 Tampa, Florida 33606 Phone: (813) 280-1256<tel:%28813%29%20280-1256> Fax: (813) 251-8715<tel:%28813%29%20251-8715> Email: jalexander@lieserskaff.com<mailto:jalexander@lieserskaff.com> Web: www.lieserskaff.com<http://www.lieserskaff.com/> On Apr 2, 2015 3:08 PM, "Dariel Abrahamy" <Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com<mailto:Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com>> wrote: I don’t necessarily agree that unlawful detention only applies to non-residential tenancies. I think 82.02(2) and 82.02(4) simply mean that you can’t file an unlawful detention action if you have a residential landlord-tenant relationship. Here, there is no landlord-tenant relationship between the tenant and his girlfriend. The landlord-tenant relationship exists between the tenant and his landlord. To file an ejectment, you need to have a valid claim to legal title. The tenant doesn’t have legal title. Unlawful detainer would be my recommendation. Richards v. Finley, 259 So.2d 167. <image003.jpg> Dariel Abrahamy, Esq. Shareholder 200 E. Broward Blvd, Suite 1800 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 P: 954-491-1120<tel:954-491-1120>; F: 954-343-6972<tel:954-343-6972> Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com<mailto:Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com> From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>] On Behalf Of Conrad Kahn Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 2:03 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? I believe unlawful detainee only applies to nonresidential tenancy. See Fla. Stat. 82.02. And eviction would be inappropriate too because there's no landlord-tenant relationship. Therefore, the proper cause of action is ejectment under chapter 66. This must be filed in circuit court unfortunately. On Apr 2, 2015 11:53 AM, "Anthony J. Horky" <ahorky@horkylaw.com<mailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com>> wrote: Members: I received a call from a tenant who signed a residential lease. After taking possession, he allowed his girlfriend to move in who does not pay rent and did not sign the lease. The relationship soured and now girlfriend refuses to leave. I am of the opinion that although the tenant is still in possession and entry by the girlfriend was lawful, her permission to remain in possession has been withdrawn and the tenant’s remedy is unlawful detainer. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Regards, <image004.png> Anthony J. Horky, Esquire Anthony J. 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The remedy in this case is unlawful detainer under Chapter 82.  A new section has been added to Chapter 82 and became law July 1, 2015.  Interesting to see how the police departments react to the new section.

Attached also is something Anthony Horky drafted a few years ago.  I refer to it each time a unlawful detainer or eviction comes up.  Thank you Anthony and I hope you don’t mind me sharing your work with the group.  Arlene

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I use the unlawful detainer statue without any reference to the eviction statute.  Unlawful detainer does not provide for attorneys fees, the eviction statute does.  They both provide for summary procedure under 51.011.  In the central Florida area I have had only one county judge hold up the process and after a hearing where I explained what was going on the judge entered judgment for possession.

If the girlfriend raises some claim that she is a tenant, then just set it for hearing and have her prove her case.  You can amend the complaint at that point to include eviction.

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On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Lainie Simon ljsimon1@comcast.net wrote:

It never leaves unlawful detainer only.

Always do an alternative count for eviction.  You don’t know what she is going to say and you don’t know the comfort level of the judge with unlawful detainer.  You also have to think of the clerk and JA—they know eviction but not unlawful detainer.  There is theory and reality.  Reality holds that you always include a count for eviction.

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On Apr 3, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Anthony J. Horky ahorky@horkylaw.com wrote:

Thank you everyone for your excellent input.

Based on the opposing views this seems to be a grey area.  I’m inclined to try unlawful detainer first but have recommended that the tenant attempt to pay the ex-girlfriend to leave.  There are several incidents of prior police calls so the references to a restraining order was well taken.  So was the comment that the landlord may find the tenant in breach and have them both removed.  I do not believe that ejectment is correct as there is no issue of who has better title to the residence, and eviction is not applicable because there is no rental agreement, oral or written, between the tenant and his girlfriend.  That leaves unlawful detainer only.

82.04 Remedy for unlawful detention.—

(1) If any person enters or has entered in a peaceable manner into any lands or tenements when the entry is lawful and after the expiration of the person’s right continues to hold them against the consent of the party entitled to possession, the party so entitled to possession is entitled to the summary procedure under s. 51.011 http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0051/Sections/0051.011.html , at any time within 3 years after the possession has been withheld from the party against his or her consent.

(2) This section shall not apply with regard to residential tenancies.

This is a case of two persons living in a residence, but for the girlfriend it is not a “residential tenancy.”  Although Chapter 82 does not apply to “residential tenancies” there is no such defined term under Chapters 82 or 83.  As I wrote in ActionLine last year, without a definition we should look to the terms under 83 that together can be used to define such a tenancy.  There is no indicia of such tenancy here. The girlfriend did not enter into a “rental agreement,” she is not a “tenant,” the tenant is not a “landlord,” and the girlfriend is not paying “rent.”  At the same time, the tenant is entitled to possession.

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Same here.  I've filed many unlawful detainer cases under Chapter 82 for various reasons, including facts similar to the case in discussion.  I would recommend Chapter 83, not Ejectment.

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Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

I agree with Daniel and the others...unlawful detainer.

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On Apr 2, 2015 3:08 PM, "Dariel Abrahamy" Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com wrote:

I don’t necessarily agree that unlawful detention only applies to non-residential tenancies.  I think 82.02(2) and 82.02(4) simply mean that you can’t file an unlawful detention action if you have a residential landlord-tenant relationship.  Here, there is no landlord-tenant relationship between the tenant and his girlfriend. The landlord-tenant relationship exists between the tenant and his landlord.  To file an ejectment, you need to have a valid claim to legal title. The tenant doesn’t have legal title.

Unlawful detainer would be my recommendation. Richards v. Finley, 259 So.2d 167.

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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Conrad Kahn
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 2:03 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

I believe unlawful detainee only applies to nonresidential tenancy.  See Fla. Stat. 82.02.  And eviction would be inappropriate too because there's no landlord-tenant relationship. Therefore, the proper cause of action is ejectment under chapter 66.  This must be filed in circuit court unfortunately.

On Apr 2, 2015 11:53 AM, "Anthony J. Horky" ahorky@horkylaw.com wrote:

Members:

I received a call from a tenant who signed a residential lease.  After taking possession, he allowed his girlfriend to move in who does not pay rent and did not sign the lease.  The relationship soured and now girlfriend refuses to leave.  I am of the opinion that although the tenant  is still in possession and entry by the girlfriend was lawful, her permission to remain in possession has been withdrawn and the tenant’s remedy is unlawful detainer.  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.

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Good luck getting the Sheriff to do this. Harry LAW OFFICES OF HEIST, WEISSE & WOLK P.A. PH: 1 800 253 8428 FAX: 1 800 367 9038 "Serving the Property Management Professional" Website: <http://www.evict.com/> www.evict.com Email: <mailto:harry@evict.com> harry@evict.com <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Heist-Weisse-Wolk-PA/343965575625870> Visit us on Facebook THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL, ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED, AND INTENDED FOR THE PERSONS NAMED ABOVE ONLY. ALL OTHER USE, COPYING, OR DISTRIBUTION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Arlene Udick Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 11:00 AM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? The remedy in this case is unlawful detainer under Chapter 82. A new section has been added to Chapter 82 and became law July 1, 2015. Interesting to see how the police departments react to the new section. Attached also is something Anthony Horky drafted a few years ago. I refer to it each time a unlawful detainer or eviction comes up. Thank you Anthony and I hope you don’t mind me sharing your work with the group. Arlene Udick Law Logo_sig Arlene C. Udick, Esq. (p) 352-391-1888 (c) 352-217-3176 EMAIL CONFIDENTIALITY: The information contained in this electronic message may contain attorney-client privilege and confidential information intended only for use of the owner of the email address listed as the recipient of this message. If you are not the intended recipient of this email message you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by return email and/or by telephone at 352-391-1888. From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Chen Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 9:42 AM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? I use the unlawful detainer statue without any reference to the eviction statute. Unlawful detainer does not provide for attorneys fees, the eviction statute does. They both provide for summary procedure under 51.011. In the central Florida area I have had only one county judge hold up the process and after a hearing where I explained what was going on the judge entered judgment for possession. If the girlfriend raises some claim that she is a tenant, then just set it for hearing and have her prove her case. You can amend the complaint at that point to include eviction. Dennis A. Chen, Esq. Chen Law Firm, PA 13360 W. Colonial Dr, Ste. 470 Winter Garden, Florida 34787 Tel: (407) 392-1872 dennis@chenlaw.net Bankruptcy * Civil Litigation * Landlord/Tenant * Personal Injury * Real Estate Litigation CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any attachment, contains legally privileged and confidential information and is intended solely for the recipient. Should the intended recipient forward this message to any person or entity, that action could constitute a waiver of the attorney-client privilege. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited. If this communication was sent or received in error, please notify us by reply e-mail and delete the original message. On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Lainie Simon <ljsimon1@comcast.net> wrote: It never leaves unlawful detainer only. Always do an alternative count for eviction. You don’t know what she is going to say and you don’t know the comfort level of the judge with unlawful detainer. You also have to think of the clerk and JA—they know eviction but not unlawful detainer. There is theory and reality. Reality holds that you always include a count for eviction. Lainie J. Simon, Esq. 185 NW Spanish River Boulevard Suite 220 Boca Raton, FL 33431 561.445.1361 561.997.6224(fax) PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521 and is legally privileged. The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the party or parties addressed and named in this message. This communication and all attachments, if any, are intended to be and to remain confidential, and it may be subject to the applicable attorney - client and or work product privileges. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message and its attachments. Do not deliver, distribute, or copy this message and or any attachments if you are not the intended recipient. Do not disclose the contents or take any action in reliance upon the information contained in this communication or any attachments. Although this E-mail and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the sender for damage arising in any way from its use. Ê On Apr 3, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Anthony J. Horky <ahorky@horkylaw.com> wrote: Thank you everyone for your excellent input. Based on the opposing views this seems to be a grey area. I’m inclined to try unlawful detainer first but have recommended that the tenant attempt to pay the ex-girlfriend to leave. There are several incidents of prior police calls so the references to a restraining order was well taken. So was the comment that the landlord may find the tenant in breach and have them both removed. I do not believe that ejectment is correct as there is no issue of who has better title to the residence, and eviction is not applicable because there is no rental agreement, oral or written, between the tenant and his girlfriend. That leaves unlawful detainer only. 82.04 Remedy for unlawful detention.— (1) If any person enters or has entered in a peaceable manner into any lands or tenements when the entry is lawful and after the expiration of the person’s right continues to hold them against the consent of the party entitled to possession, the party so entitled to possession is entitled to the summary procedure under s. 51.011 <http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0051/Sections/0051.011.html> , at any time within 3 years after the possession has been withheld from the party against his or her consent. (2) This section shall not apply with regard to residential tenancies. This is a case of two persons living in a residence, but for the girlfriend it is not a “residential tenancy.” Although Chapter 82 does not apply to “residential tenancies” there is no such defined term under Chapters 82 or 83. As I wrote in ActionLine last year, without a definition we should look to the terms under 83 that together can be used to define such a tenancy. There is no indicia of such tenancy here. The girlfriend did not enter into a “rental agreement,” she is not a “tenant,” the tenant is not a “landlord,” and the girlfriend is not paying “rent.” At the same time, the tenant is entitled to possession. Regards, <image002.png> Anthony J. Horky, Esquire Anthony J. Horky, P.A. 2255 Glades Road, Suite 324A Boca Raton, Florida 33431 T: 561.989.3206 F: 561.952.0096 www.horkylaw.com <http://www.horkylaw.com/> This message and the documents attached to it, if any, are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is attorney-client privileged or confidential, and/or may contain attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Cary Sabol Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 3:38 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? Same here. I've filed many unlawful detainer cases under Chapter 82 for various reasons, including facts similar to the case in discussion. I would recommend Chapter 83, not Ejectment. Cary Law Offices of Cary P. Sabol P.O. Box 15981 | West Palm Beach | Florida | 33416 Phone: (561) 281-2744 <tel:%28561%29%20281-2744> _____ IRS Circular 230 Notice: Pursuant to recently enacted U.S. Treasury Department Regulations, we are now required to advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice expressed above was neither written nor intended by the sender or this firm to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then the advice should be considered to have been written to support the promotion or marketing by a person other than the sender or this firm of that transaction or matter, and such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayer's particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential information belonging to the sender which is protected by the attorney-client privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and delete the original message. Thank you for your cooperation. _____ From: Joseph Alexander <jalexander@lieserskaff.com> To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee <landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? I agree with Daniel and the others...unlawful detainer. Please excuse any typos, as this email was sent from my mobile device. Thank you, Joseph N. Alexander LIESER SKAFF ALEXANDER, PLLC 511 W. Bay Street Suite 350 Tampa, Florida 33606 Phone: (813) 280-1256 <tel:%28813%29%20280-1256> Fax: (813) 251-8715 <tel:%28813%29%20251-8715> Email: jalexander@lieserskaff.com Web: www.lieserskaff.com <http://www.lieserskaff.com/> On Apr 2, 2015 3:08 PM, "Dariel Abrahamy" <Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com> wrote: I don’t necessarily agree that unlawful detention only applies to non-residential tenancies. I think 82.02(2) and 82.02(4) simply mean that you can’t file an unlawful detention action if you have a residential landlord-tenant relationship. Here, there is no landlord-tenant relationship between the tenant and his girlfriend. The landlord-tenant relationship exists between the tenant and his landlord. To file an ejectment, you need to have a valid claim to legal title. The tenant doesn’t have legal title. Unlawful detainer would be my recommendation. Richards v. Finley, 259 So.2d 167. <image003.jpg> Dariel Abrahamy, Esq. Shareholder 200 E. Broward Blvd, Suite 1800 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 P: 954-491-1120; F: 954-343-6972 Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Conrad Kahn Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 2:03 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? I believe unlawful detainee only applies to nonresidential tenancy. See Fla. Stat. 82.02. And eviction would be inappropriate too because there's no landlord-tenant relationship. Therefore, the proper cause of action is ejectment under chapter 66. This must be filed in circuit court unfortunately. On Apr 2, 2015 11:53 AM, "Anthony J. Horky" <ahorky@horkylaw.com> wrote: Members: I received a call from a tenant who signed a residential lease. After taking possession, he allowed his girlfriend to move in who does not pay rent and did not sign the lease. The relationship soured and now girlfriend refuses to leave. I am of the opinion that although the tenant is still in possession and entry by the girlfriend was lawful, her permission to remain in possession has been withdrawn and the tenant’s remedy is unlawful detainer. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Regards, <image004.png> Anthony J. Horky, Esquire Anthony J. 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I believe you can, since the landlord does not have tenancy to be in the property.  The Tenant has the right of possession.

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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Leonard Cabral
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 8:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

Since we are on the subject of unlawful detainer

If the landlord takes possession from the tenant without legal process, (lock out) can the tenant bring an action for unlawful detainer against the landlord?    I believe the strict reading of the statute you can. I think it is irrelevant to such an action that the tenant’s possession is wrongful since the action for unlawful detainer is designed to compel the party claiming rightful possession (Tenant who was locked out) to use legal channels to evict the tenant.  I haven’t done this yet only because I do not like the language in the statute regarding residential tenancies.  (My first thought when I devised this plan to file an unlawful detainer against a landlord who locked out a tenant was that the language was specifically put in the statute so an unlawful detainer you could not be brought against a landlord in residential lockouts),

Anyone like to comment?  Anyone agree or disagree?

Leonard P. Cabral, Esq.
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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Leonard Cabral
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CAUTION in these case.  In my experience, Girlfriends find out that the Boyfriend want her out or is going to evict her, Girlfriend files an injunction for protection against domestic violence and the judge gives the girlfriend the rental dwelling.  She doesn’t pay rent and Boyfriend is evicted.
I have attached the new section of the unlawful detainer statute.

Leonard P. Cabral, Esq.
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Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

I use the unlawful detainer statue without any reference to the eviction statute.  Unlawful detainer does not provide for attorneys fees, the eviction statute does.  They both provide for summary procedure under 51.011.  In the central Florida area I have had only one county judge hold up the process and after a hearing where I explained what was going on the judge entered judgment for possession.
If the girlfriend raises some claim that she is a tenant, then just set it for hearing and have her prove her case.  You can amend the complaint at that point to include eviction.

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On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Lainie Simon <ljsimon1@comcast.netmailto:ljsimon1@comcast.net> wrote:
It never leaves unlawful detainer only.
Always do an alternative count for eviction.  You don’t know what she is going to say and you don’t know the comfort level of the judge with unlawful detainer.  You also have to think of the clerk and JA—they know eviction but not unlawful detainer.  There is theory and reality.  Reality holds that you always include a count for eviction.

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On Apr 3, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Anthony J. Horky <ahorky@horkylaw.commailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com> wrote:

Thank you everyone for your excellent input.

Based on the opposing views this seems to be a grey area.  I’m inclined to try unlawful detainer first but have recommended that the tenant attempt to pay the ex-girlfriend to leave.  There are several incidents of prior police calls so the references to a restraining order was well taken.  So was the comment that the landlord may find the tenant in breach and have them both removed.  I do not believe that ejectment is correct as there is no issue of who has better title to the residence, and eviction is not applicable because there is no rental agreement, oral or written, between the tenant and his girlfriend.  That leaves unlawful detainer only.

82.04 Remedy for unlawful detention.—
(1) If any person enters or has entered in a peaceable manner into any lands or tenements when the entry is lawful and after the expiration of the person’s right continues to hold them against the consent of the party entitled to possession, the party so entitled to possession is entitled to the summary procedure under s. 51.011http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0051/Sections/0051.011.html, at any time within 3 years after the possession has been withheld from the party against his or her consent.
(2) This section shall not apply with regard to residential tenancies.

This is a case of two persons living in a residence, but for the girlfriend it is not a “residential tenancy.”  Although Chapter 82 does not apply to “residential tenancies” there is no such defined term under Chapters 82 or 83.  As I wrote in ActionLine last year, without a definition we should look to the terms under 83 that together can be used to define such a tenancy.  There is no indicia of such tenancy here. The girlfriend did not enter into a “rental agreement,” she is not a “tenant,” the tenant is not a “landlord,” and the girlfriend is not paying “rent.”  At the same time, the tenant is entitled to possession.

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Same here.  I've filed many unlawful detainer cases under Chapter 82 for various reasons, including facts similar to the case in discussion.  I would recommend Chapter 83, not Ejectment.

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I agree with Daniel and the others...unlawful detainer.
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On Apr 2, 2015 3:08 PM, "Dariel Abrahamy" <Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.commailto:Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com> wrote:
I don’t necessarily agree that unlawful detention only applies to non-residential tenancies.  I think 82.02(2) and 82.02(4) simply mean that you can’t file an unlawful detention action if you have a residential landlord-tenant relationship.  Here, there is no landlord-tenant relationship between the tenant and his girlfriend. The landlord-tenant relationship exists between the tenant and his landlord.  To file an ejectment, you need to have a valid claim to legal title. The tenant doesn’t have legal title.

Unlawful detainer would be my recommendation. Richards v. Finley, 259 So.2d 167.

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Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 2:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

I believe unlawful detainee only applies to nonresidential tenancy.  See Fla. Stat. 82.02.  And eviction would be inappropriate too because there's no landlord-tenant relationship. Therefore, the proper cause of action is ejectment under chapter 66.  This must be filed in circuit court unfortunately.
On Apr 2, 2015 11:53 AM, "Anthony J. Horky" <ahorky@horkylaw.commailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com> wrote:
Members:
I received a call from a tenant who signed a residential lease.  After taking possession, he allowed his girlfriend to move in who does not pay rent and did not sign the lease.  The relationship soured and now girlfriend refuses to leave.  I am of the opinion that although the tenant  is still in possession and entry by the girlfriend was lawful, her permission to remain in possession has been withdrawn and the tenant’s remedy is unlawful detainer.  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.

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I believe you can, since the landlord does not have tenancy to be in the property. The Tenant has the right of possession. Thank You, Roland "Chip" Waller, Esquire Waller & Mitchell 5332 Main Street New Port Richey, FL 34652 Office: 727-847-2288 / Fax: 727-848-4183 Roland.Waller@rdwaller.com [cid:image001.jpg@01D0B8A8.508D7A10] From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Leonard Cabral Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 8:11 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? Since we are on the subject of unlawful detainer If the landlord takes possession from the tenant without legal process, (lock out) can the tenant bring an action for unlawful detainer against the landlord? I believe the strict reading of the statute you can. I think it is irrelevant to such an action that the tenant’s possession is wrongful since the action for unlawful detainer is designed to compel the party claiming rightful possession (Tenant who was locked out) to use legal channels to evict the tenant. I haven’t done this yet only because I do not like the language in the statute regarding residential tenancies. (My first thought when I devised this plan to file an unlawful detainer against a landlord who locked out a tenant was that the language was specifically put in the statute so an unlawful detainer you could not be brought against a landlord in residential lockouts), Anyone like to comment? Anyone agree or disagree? Leonard P. Cabral, Esq. Leonardcabral@lenslaw.com<mailto:Leonardcabral@lenslaw.com> Please disregard inadvertent misspellings From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Leonard Cabral Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 7:40 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? CAUTION in these case. In my experience, Girlfriends find out that the Boyfriend want her out or is going to evict her, Girlfriend files an injunction for protection against domestic violence and the judge gives the girlfriend the rental dwelling. She doesn’t pay rent and Boyfriend is evicted. I have attached the new section of the unlawful detainer statute. Leonard P. Cabral, Esq. Leonardcabral@lenslaw.com<mailto:Leonardcabral@lenslaw.com> Please disregard inadvertent misspellings From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Chen Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 9:42 AM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? I use the unlawful detainer statue without any reference to the eviction statute. Unlawful detainer does not provide for attorneys fees, the eviction statute does. They both provide for summary procedure under 51.011. In the central Florida area I have had only one county judge hold up the process and after a hearing where I explained what was going on the judge entered judgment for possession. If the girlfriend raises some claim that she is a tenant, then just set it for hearing and have her prove her case. You can amend the complaint at that point to include eviction. Dennis A. Chen, Esq. Chen Law Firm, PA 13360 W. Colonial Dr, Ste. 470 Winter Garden, Florida 34787 Tel: (407) 392-1872 dennis@chenlaw.net<mailto:dennis@chenlaw.net> Bankruptcy * Civil Litigation * Landlord/Tenant * Personal Injury * Real Estate Litigation CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any attachment, contains legally privileged and confidential information and is intended solely for the recipient. Should the intended recipient forward this message to any person or entity, that action could constitute a waiver of the attorney-client privilege. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited. If this communication was sent or received in error, please notify us by reply e-mail and delete the original message. On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Lainie Simon <ljsimon1@comcast.net<mailto:ljsimon1@comcast.net>> wrote: It never leaves unlawful detainer only. Always do an alternative count for eviction. You don’t know what she is going to say and you don’t know the comfort level of the judge with unlawful detainer. You also have to think of the clerk and JA—they know eviction but not unlawful detainer. There is theory and reality. Reality holds that you always include a count for eviction. Lainie J. Simon, Esq. 185 NW Spanish River Boulevard Suite 220 Boca Raton, FL 33431 561.445.1361<tel:561.445.1361> 561.997.6224<tel:561.997.6224>(fax) PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521 and is legally privileged. The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the party or parties addressed and named in this message. This communication and all attachments, if any, are intended to be and to remain confidential, and it may be subject to the applicable attorney - client and or work product privileges. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message and its attachments. Do not deliver, distribute, or copy this message and or any attachments if you are not the intended recipient. Do not disclose the contents or take any action in reliance upon the information contained in this communication or any attachments. Although this E-mail and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the sender for damage arising in any way from its use. Ê On Apr 3, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Anthony J. Horky <ahorky@horkylaw.com<mailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com>> wrote: Thank you everyone for your excellent input. Based on the opposing views this seems to be a grey area. I’m inclined to try unlawful detainer first but have recommended that the tenant attempt to pay the ex-girlfriend to leave. There are several incidents of prior police calls so the references to a restraining order was well taken. So was the comment that the landlord may find the tenant in breach and have them both removed. I do not believe that ejectment is correct as there is no issue of who has better title to the residence, and eviction is not applicable because there is no rental agreement, oral or written, between the tenant and his girlfriend. That leaves unlawful detainer only. 82.04 Remedy for unlawful detention.— (1) If any person enters or has entered in a peaceable manner into any lands or tenements when the entry is lawful and after the expiration of the person’s right continues to hold them against the consent of the party entitled to possession, the party so entitled to possession is entitled to the summary procedure under s. 51.011<http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0051/Sections/0051.011.html>, at any time within 3 years after the possession has been withheld from the party against his or her consent. (2) This section shall not apply with regard to residential tenancies. This is a case of two persons living in a residence, but for the girlfriend it is not a “residential tenancy.” Although Chapter 82 does not apply to “residential tenancies” there is no such defined term under Chapters 82 or 83. As I wrote in ActionLine last year, without a definition we should look to the terms under 83 that together can be used to define such a tenancy. There is no indicia of such tenancy here. The girlfriend did not enter into a “rental agreement,” she is not a “tenant,” the tenant is not a “landlord,” and the girlfriend is not paying “rent.” At the same time, the tenant is entitled to possession. Regards, <image002.png> Anthony J. Horky, Esquire Anthony J. Horky, P.A. 2255 Glades Road, Suite 324A Boca Raton, Florida 33431 T: 561.989.3206<tel:561.989.3206> F: 561.952.0096<tel:561.952.0096> www.horkylaw.com<http://www.horkylaw.com/> This message and the documents attached to it, if any, are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is attorney-client privileged or confidential, and/or may contain attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Cary Sabol Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 3:38 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? Same here. I've filed many unlawful detainer cases under Chapter 82 for various reasons, including facts similar to the case in discussion. I would recommend Chapter 83, not Ejectment. Cary Law Offices of Cary P. Sabol P.O. 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I agree with Daniel and the others...unlawful detainer. Please excuse any typos, as this email was sent from my mobile device. Thank you, Joseph N. Alexander LIESER SKAFF ALEXANDER, PLLC 511 W. Bay Street Suite 350 Tampa, Florida 33606 Phone: (813) 280-1256<tel:%28813%29%20280-1256> Fax: (813) 251-8715<tel:%28813%29%20251-8715> Email: jalexander@lieserskaff.com<mailto:jalexander@lieserskaff.com> Web: www.lieserskaff.com<http://www.lieserskaff.com/> On Apr 2, 2015 3:08 PM, "Dariel Abrahamy" <Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com<mailto:Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com>> wrote: I don’t necessarily agree that unlawful detention only applies to non-residential tenancies. I think 82.02(2) and 82.02(4) simply mean that you can’t file an unlawful detention action if you have a residential landlord-tenant relationship. Here, there is no landlord-tenant relationship between the tenant and his girlfriend. The landlord-tenant relationship exists between the tenant and his landlord. To file an ejectment, you need to have a valid claim to legal title. The tenant doesn’t have legal title. Unlawful detainer would be my recommendation. Richards v. Finley, 259 So.2d 167. <image003.jpg> Dariel Abrahamy, Esq. Shareholder 200 E. Broward Blvd, Suite 1800 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 P: 954-491-1120<tel:954-491-1120>; F: 954-343-6972<tel:954-343-6972> Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com<mailto:Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com> From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>] On Behalf Of Conrad Kahn Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 2:03 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? I believe unlawful detainee only applies to nonresidential tenancy. See Fla. Stat. 82.02. And eviction would be inappropriate too because there's no landlord-tenant relationship. 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I don't see the change impacting the "move in relationship" situation. And, you have to be careful. I had a judge find that a girlfriend paying the cable bill was paying rent. There are lots of articles out there on girlfriends and boyfriends being treated as tenants.

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The remedy in this case is unlawful detainer under Chapter 82.  A new section has been added to Chapter 82 and became law July 1, 2015.  Interesting to see how the police departments react to the new section.

Attached also is something Anthony Horky drafted a few years ago.  I refer to it each time a unlawful detainer or eviction comes up.  Thank you Anthony and I hope you don’t mind me sharing your work with the group.  Arlene

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I use the unlawful detainer statue without any reference to the eviction statute.  Unlawful detainer does not provide for attorneys fees, the eviction statute does.  They both provide for summary procedure under 51.011.  In the central Florida area I have had only one county judge hold up the process and after a hearing where I explained what was going on the judge entered judgment for possession.

If the girlfriend raises some claim that she is a tenant, then just set it for hearing and have her prove her case.  You can amend the complaint at that point to include eviction.

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On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Lainie Simon ljsimon1@comcast.net wrote:
It never leaves unlawful detainer only.
Always do an alternative count for eviction.  You don’t know what she is going to say and you don’t know the comfort level of the judge with unlawful detainer.  You also have to think of the clerk and JA—they know eviction but not unlawful detainer.  There is theory and reality.  Reality holds that you always include a count for eviction.

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On Apr 3, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Anthony J. Horky ahorky@horkylaw.com wrote:

Thank you everyone for your excellent input.

Based on the opposing views this seems to be a grey area.  I’m inclined to try unlawful detainer first but have recommended that the tenant attempt to pay the ex-girlfriend to leave.  There are several incidents of prior police calls so the references to a restraining order was well taken.  So was the comment that the landlord may find the tenant in breach and have them both removed.  I do not believe that ejectment is correct as there is no issue of who has better title to the residence, and eviction is not applicable because there is no rental agreement, oral or written, between the tenant and his girlfriend.  That leaves unlawful detainer only.

82.04 Remedy for unlawful detention.—
(1) If any person enters or has entered in a peaceable manner into any lands or tenements when the entry is lawful and after the expiration of the person’s right continues to hold them against the consent of the party entitled to possession, the party so entitled to possession is entitled to the summary procedure under s. 51.011, at any time within 3 years after the possession has been withheld from the party against his or her consent.
(2) This section shall not apply with regard to residential tenancies.

This is a case of two persons living in a residence, but for the girlfriend it is not a “residential tenancy.”  Although Chapter 82 does not apply to “residential tenancies” there is no such defined term under Chapters 82 or 83.  As I wrote in ActionLine last year, without a definition we should look to the terms under 83 that together can be used to define such a tenancy.  There is no indicia of such tenancy here. The girlfriend did not enter into a “rental agreement,” she is not a “tenant,” the tenant is not a “landlord,” and the girlfriend is not paying “rent.”  At the same time, the tenant is entitled to possession.

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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Cary Sabol
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 3:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

Same here.  I've filed many unlawful detainer cases under Chapter 82 for various reasons, including facts similar to the case in discussion.  I would recommend Chapter 83, not Ejectment.

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From: Joseph Alexander jalexander@lieserskaff.com
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

I agree with Daniel and the others...unlawful detainer.
Please excuse any typos, as this email was sent from my mobile device.
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On Apr 2, 2015 3:08 PM, "Dariel Abrahamy" Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com wrote:
I don’t necessarily agree that unlawful detention only applies to non-residential tenancies.  I think 82.02(2) and 82.02(4) simply mean that you can’t file an unlawful detention action if you have a residential landlord-tenant relationship.  Here, there is no landlord-tenant relationship between the tenant and his girlfriend. The landlord-tenant relationship exists between the tenant and his landlord.  To file an ejectment, you need to have a valid claim to legal title. The tenant doesn’t have legal title.

Unlawful detainer would be my recommendation. Richards v. Finley, 259 So.2d 167.

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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Conrad Kahn
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 2:03 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

I believe unlawful detainee only applies to nonresidential tenancy.  See Fla. Stat. 82.02.  And eviction would be inappropriate too because there's no landlord-tenant relationship. Therefore, the proper cause of action is ejectment under chapter 66.  This must be filed in circuit court unfortunately.
On Apr 2, 2015 11:53 AM, "Anthony J. Horky" ahorky@horkylaw.com wrote:
Members:
I received a call from a tenant who signed a residential lease.  After taking possession, he allowed his girlfriend to move in who does not pay rent and did not sign the lease.  The relationship soured and now girlfriend refuses to leave.  I am of the opinion that although the tenant  is still in possession and entry by the girlfriend was lawful, her permission to remain in possession has been withdrawn and the tenant’s remedy is unlawful detainer.  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.

Regards,

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I don't see the change impacting the "move in relationship" situation. And, you have to be careful. I had a judge find that a girlfriend paying the cable bill was paying rent. There are lots of articles out there on girlfriends and boyfriends being treated as tenants. Deborah Marks Deborah Marks, PA 18495 South Dixie Highway Suite 134 Miami, FL 33157 305-372-9400 Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 7, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Harry Heist <harry@evict.com> wrote: > > Good luck getting the Sheriff to do this. > > Harry > > LAW OFFICES OF > HEIST, WEISSE & WOLK P.A. > PH: 1 800 253 8428 > FAX: 1 800 367 9038 > "Serving the Property Management Professional" > Website: www.evict.com > Email: harry@evict.com > <image001.png> > > Visit us on Facebook > > > THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL, ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED, AND INTENDED FOR THE PERSONS NAMED ABOVE ONLY. ALL OTHER USE, COPYING, OR DISTRIBUTION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. > > > From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Arlene Udick > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 11:00 AM > To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee > Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? > > The remedy in this case is unlawful detainer under Chapter 82. A new section has been added to Chapter 82 and became law July 1, 2015. Interesting to see how the police departments react to the new section. > > Attached also is something Anthony Horky drafted a few years ago. I refer to it each time a unlawful detainer or eviction comes up. Thank you Anthony and I hope you don’t mind me sharing your work with the group. Arlene > > > > > Arlene C. Udick, Esq. > (p) 352-391-1888 > (c) 352-217-3176 > > EMAIL CONFIDENTIALITY: The information contained in this electronic message may contain attorney-client privilege and confidential information intended only for use of the owner of the email address listed as the recipient of this message. If you are not the intended recipient of this email message you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by return email and/or by telephone at 352-391-1888. > > From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Chen > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 9:42 AM > To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee > Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? > > I use the unlawful detainer statue without any reference to the eviction statute. Unlawful detainer does not provide for attorneys fees, the eviction statute does. They both provide for summary procedure under 51.011. In the central Florida area I have had only one county judge hold up the process and after a hearing where I explained what was going on the judge entered judgment for possession. > > If the girlfriend raises some claim that she is a tenant, then just set it for hearing and have her prove her case. You can amend the complaint at that point to include eviction. > > > Dennis A. Chen, Esq. > Chen Law Firm, PA > 13360 W. Colonial Dr, Ste. 470 > Winter Garden, Florida 34787 > Tel: (407) 392-1872 > dennis@chenlaw.net > > Bankruptcy * Civil Litigation * Landlord/Tenant * Personal Injury * Real Estate Litigation > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any attachment, contains legally privileged and confidential information and is intended solely for the recipient. 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I do not believe that ejectment is correct as there is no issue of who has better title to the residence, and eviction is not applicable because there is no rental agreement, oral or written, between the tenant and his girlfriend. That leaves unlawful detainer only. > > 82.04 Remedy for unlawful detention.— > (1) If any person enters or has entered in a peaceable manner into any lands or tenements when the entry is lawful and after the expiration of the person’s right continues to hold them against the consent of the party entitled to possession, the party so entitled to possession is entitled to the summary procedure under s. 51.011, at any time within 3 years after the possession has been withheld from the party against his or her consent. > (2) This section shall not apply with regard to residential tenancies. > > This is a case of two persons living in a residence, but for the girlfriend it is not a “residential tenancy.” Although Chapter 82 does not apply to “residential tenancies” there is no such defined term under Chapters 82 or 83. As I wrote in ActionLine last year, without a definition we should look to the terms under 83 that together can be used to define such a tenancy. There is no indicia of such tenancy here. The girlfriend did not enter into a “rental agreement,” she is not a “tenant,” the tenant is not a “landlord,” and the girlfriend is not paying “rent.” At the same time, the tenant is entitled to possession. > > Regards, > > > <image002.png> > Anthony J. Horky, Esquire > > Anthony J. Horky, P.A. > > 2255 Glades Road, Suite 324A > > Boca Raton, Florida 33431 > > T: 561.989.3206 > > F: 561.952.0096 > > www.horkylaw.com > > > This message and the documents attached to it, if any, are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is attorney-client privileged or confidential, and/or may contain attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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I've filed many unlawful detainer cases under Chapter 82 for various reasons, including facts similar to the case in discussion. I would recommend Chapter 83, not Ejectment. > > Cary > Law Offices of Cary P. Sabol > P.O. Box 15981 | West Palm Beach | Florida | 33416 > Phone: (561) 281-2744 > IRS Circular 230 Notice: Pursuant to recently enacted U.S. Treasury Department Regulations, we are now required to advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice expressed above was neither written nor intended by the sender or this firm to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. 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I think 82.02(2) and 82.02(4) simply mean that you can’t file an unlawful detention action if you have a residential landlord-tenant relationship. Here, there is no landlord-tenant relationship between the tenant and his girlfriend. The landlord-tenant relationship exists between the tenant and his landlord. To file an ejectment, you need to have a valid claim to legal title. The tenant doesn’t have legal title. > > Unlawful detainer would be my recommendation. Richards v. Finley, 259 So.2d 167. > > > <image003.jpg> > Dariel Abrahamy, Esq. > Shareholder > 200 E. 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Leonard Cabral
Tue, Jul 7, 2015 3:49 PM

I live in Sanford where men are men and kids in hoodies are scared to death.  Sanford police will probably shoot a transient occupant first then ask the landlord if he is sure that the transient occupant is a trespasser (second).  It is going to take 10 years for my property value to go up after Trayvon Martin incident.
Since the police have no liability I don’t see why they won’t do it.  They do it for Hotels and Motels all the time.  There is one building in my town that has a hotel license that rents by the month (only) and tenants have lived there for years and the police and/or sheriff will put them out at the landlords request.
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Good luck getting the Sheriff to do this.

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The remedy in this case is unlawful detainer under Chapter 82.  A new section has been added to Chapter 82 and became law July 1, 2015.  Interesting to see how the police departments react to the new section.

Attached also is something Anthony Horky drafted a few years ago.  I refer to it each time a unlawful detainer or eviction comes up.  Thank you Anthony and I hope you don’t mind me sharing your work with the group.  Arlene

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I use the unlawful detainer statue without any reference to the eviction statute.  Unlawful detainer does not provide for attorneys fees, the eviction statute does.  They both provide for summary procedure under 51.011.  In the central Florida area I have had only one county judge hold up the process and after a hearing where I explained what was going on the judge entered judgment for possession.
If the girlfriend raises some claim that she is a tenant, then just set it for hearing and have her prove her case.  You can amend the complaint at that point to include eviction.

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On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Lainie Simon <ljsimon1@comcast.netmailto:ljsimon1@comcast.net> wrote:
It never leaves unlawful detainer only.
Always do an alternative count for eviction.  You don’t know what she is going to say and you don’t know the comfort level of the judge with unlawful detainer.  You also have to think of the clerk and JA—they know eviction but not unlawful detainer.  There is theory and reality.  Reality holds that you always include a count for eviction.

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On Apr 3, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Anthony J. Horky <ahorky@horkylaw.commailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com> wrote:

Thank you everyone for your excellent input.

Based on the opposing views this seems to be a grey area.  I’m inclined to try unlawful detainer first but have recommended that the tenant attempt to pay the ex-girlfriend to leave.  There are several incidents of prior police calls so the references to a restraining order was well taken.  So was the comment that the landlord may find the tenant in breach and have them both removed.  I do not believe that ejectment is correct as there is no issue of who has better title to the residence, and eviction is not applicable because there is no rental agreement, oral or written, between the tenant and his girlfriend.  That leaves unlawful detainer only.

82.04 Remedy for unlawful detention.—
(1) If any person enters or has entered in a peaceable manner into any lands or tenements when the entry is lawful and after the expiration of the person’s right continues to hold them against the consent of the party entitled to possession, the party so entitled to possession is entitled to the summary procedure under s. 51.011http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0051/Sections/0051.011.html, at any time within 3 years after the possession has been withheld from the party against his or her consent.
(2) This section shall not apply with regard to residential tenancies.

This is a case of two persons living in a residence, but for the girlfriend it is not a “residential tenancy.”  Although Chapter 82 does not apply to “residential tenancies” there is no such defined term under Chapters 82 or 83.  As I wrote in ActionLine last year, without a definition we should look to the terms under 83 that together can be used to define such a tenancy.  There is no indicia of such tenancy here. The girlfriend did not enter into a “rental agreement,” she is not a “tenant,” the tenant is not a “landlord,” and the girlfriend is not paying “rent.”  At the same time, the tenant is entitled to possession.

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Same here.  I've filed many unlawful detainer cases under Chapter 82 for various reasons, including facts similar to the case in discussion.  I would recommend Chapter 83, not Ejectment.

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I agree with Daniel and the others...unlawful detainer.
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On Apr 2, 2015 3:08 PM, "Dariel Abrahamy" <Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.commailto:Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com> wrote:
I don’t necessarily agree that unlawful detention only applies to non-residential tenancies.  I think 82.02(2) and 82.02(4) simply mean that you can’t file an unlawful detention action if you have a residential landlord-tenant relationship.  Here, there is no landlord-tenant relationship between the tenant and his girlfriend. The landlord-tenant relationship exists between the tenant and his landlord.  To file an ejectment, you need to have a valid claim to legal title. The tenant doesn’t have legal title.

Unlawful detainer would be my recommendation. Richards v. Finley, 259 So.2d 167.

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I believe unlawful detainee only applies to nonresidential tenancy.  See Fla. Stat. 82.02.  And eviction would be inappropriate too because there's no landlord-tenant relationship. Therefore, the proper cause of action is ejectment under chapter 66.  This must be filed in circuit court unfortunately.
On Apr 2, 2015 11:53 AM, "Anthony J. Horky" <ahorky@horkylaw.commailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com> wrote:
Members:
I received a call from a tenant who signed a residential lease.  After taking possession, he allowed his girlfriend to move in who does not pay rent and did not sign the lease.  The relationship soured and now girlfriend refuses to leave.  I am of the opinion that although the tenant  is still in possession and entry by the girlfriend was lawful, her permission to remain in possession has been withdrawn and the tenant’s remedy is unlawful detainer.  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.

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I live in Sanford where men are men and kids in hoodies are scared to death. Sanford police will probably shoot a transient occupant first then ask the landlord if he is sure that the transient occupant is a trespasser (second). It is going to take 10 years for my property value to go up after Trayvon Martin incident. Since the police have no liability I don’t see why they won’t do it. They do it for Hotels and Motels all the time. There is one building in my town that has a hotel license that rents by the month (only) and tenants have lived there for years and the police and/or sheriff will put them out at the landlords request. Leonard P. Cabral Leonardcabral@lenslaw.com From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Harry Heist Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 11:06 AM To: 'RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee' Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? Good luck getting the Sheriff to do this. Harry LAW OFFICES OF HEIST, WEISSE & WOLK P.A. PH: 1 800 253 8428 FAX: 1 800 367 9038 "Serving the Property Management Professional" Website: www.evict.com<http://www.evict.com/> Email: harry@evict.com<mailto:harry@evict.com> [cid:image001.png@01D0B8A9.7E7699B0]<https://www.facebook.com/pages/Heist-Weisse-Wolk-PA/343965575625870> Visit us on Facebook THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL, ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED, AND INTENDED FOR THE PERSONS NAMED ABOVE ONLY. ALL OTHER USE, COPYING, OR DISTRIBUTION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Arlene Udick Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 11:00 AM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? The remedy in this case is unlawful detainer under Chapter 82. A new section has been added to Chapter 82 and became law July 1, 2015. Interesting to see how the police departments react to the new section. Attached also is something Anthony Horky drafted a few years ago. I refer to it each time a unlawful detainer or eviction comes up. Thank you Anthony and I hope you don’t mind me sharing your work with the group. Arlene [Udick Law Logo_sig] Arlene C. Udick, Esq. (p) 352-391-1888 (c) 352-217-3176 EMAIL CONFIDENTIALITY: The information contained in this electronic message may contain attorney-client privilege and confidential information intended only for use of the owner of the email address listed as the recipient of this message. If you are not the intended recipient of this email message you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by return email and/or by telephone at 352-391-1888. From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Chen Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 9:42 AM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? I use the unlawful detainer statue without any reference to the eviction statute. Unlawful detainer does not provide for attorneys fees, the eviction statute does. They both provide for summary procedure under 51.011. In the central Florida area I have had only one county judge hold up the process and after a hearing where I explained what was going on the judge entered judgment for possession. If the girlfriend raises some claim that she is a tenant, then just set it for hearing and have her prove her case. You can amend the complaint at that point to include eviction. Dennis A. Chen, Esq. Chen Law Firm, PA 13360 W. Colonial Dr, Ste. 470 Winter Garden, Florida 34787 Tel: (407) 392-1872 dennis@chenlaw.net<mailto:dennis@chenlaw.net> Bankruptcy * Civil Litigation * Landlord/Tenant * Personal Injury * Real Estate Litigation CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any attachment, contains legally privileged and confidential information and is intended solely for the recipient. Should the intended recipient forward this message to any person or entity, that action could constitute a waiver of the attorney-client privilege. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited. If this communication was sent or received in error, please notify us by reply e-mail and delete the original message. On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Lainie Simon <ljsimon1@comcast.net<mailto:ljsimon1@comcast.net>> wrote: It never leaves unlawful detainer only. Always do an alternative count for eviction. You don’t know what she is going to say and you don’t know the comfort level of the judge with unlawful detainer. You also have to think of the clerk and JA—they know eviction but not unlawful detainer. There is theory and reality. Reality holds that you always include a count for eviction. Lainie J. Simon, Esq. 185 NW Spanish River Boulevard Suite 220 Boca Raton, FL 33431 561.445.1361<tel:561.445.1361> 561.997.6224<tel:561.997.6224>(fax) PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521 and is legally privileged. The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the party or parties addressed and named in this message. This communication and all attachments, if any, are intended to be and to remain confidential, and it may be subject to the applicable attorney - client and or work product privileges. 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I’m inclined to try unlawful detainer first but have recommended that the tenant attempt to pay the ex-girlfriend to leave. There are several incidents of prior police calls so the references to a restraining order was well taken. So was the comment that the landlord may find the tenant in breach and have them both removed. I do not believe that ejectment is correct as there is no issue of who has better title to the residence, and eviction is not applicable because there is no rental agreement, oral or written, between the tenant and his girlfriend. That leaves unlawful detainer only. 82.04 Remedy for unlawful detention.— (1) If any person enters or has entered in a peaceable manner into any lands or tenements when the entry is lawful and after the expiration of the person’s right continues to hold them against the consent of the party entitled to possession, the party so entitled to possession is entitled to the summary procedure under s. 51.011<http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0051/Sections/0051.011.html>, at any time within 3 years after the possession has been withheld from the party against his or her consent. (2) This section shall not apply with regard to residential tenancies. This is a case of two persons living in a residence, but for the girlfriend it is not a “residential tenancy.” Although Chapter 82 does not apply to “residential tenancies” there is no such defined term under Chapters 82 or 83. As I wrote in ActionLine last year, without a definition we should look to the terms under 83 that together can be used to define such a tenancy. There is no indicia of such tenancy here. The girlfriend did not enter into a “rental agreement,” she is not a “tenant,” the tenant is not a “landlord,” and the girlfriend is not paying “rent.” At the same time, the tenant is entitled to possession. Regards, <image002.png> Anthony J. Horky, Esquire Anthony J. Horky, P.A. 2255 Glades Road, Suite 324A Boca Raton, Florida 33431 T: 561.989.3206<tel:561.989.3206> F: 561.952.0096<tel:561.952.0096> www.horkylaw.com<http://www.horkylaw.com/> This message and the documents attached to it, if any, are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is attorney-client privileged or confidential, and/or may contain attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Cary Sabol Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 3:38 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? Same here. I've filed many unlawful detainer cases under Chapter 82 for various reasons, including facts similar to the case in discussion. I would recommend Chapter 83, not Ejectment. Cary Law Offices of Cary P. Sabol P.O. 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I agree with Daniel and the others...unlawful detainer. Please excuse any typos, as this email was sent from my mobile device. Thank you, Joseph N. Alexander LIESER SKAFF ALEXANDER, PLLC 511 W. Bay Street Suite 350 Tampa, Florida 33606 Phone: (813) 280-1256<tel:%28813%29%20280-1256> Fax: (813) 251-8715<tel:%28813%29%20251-8715> Email: jalexander@lieserskaff.com<mailto:jalexander@lieserskaff.com> Web: www.lieserskaff.com<http://www.lieserskaff.com/> On Apr 2, 2015 3:08 PM, "Dariel Abrahamy" <Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com<mailto:Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com>> wrote: I don’t necessarily agree that unlawful detention only applies to non-residential tenancies. I think 82.02(2) and 82.02(4) simply mean that you can’t file an unlawful detention action if you have a residential landlord-tenant relationship. Here, there is no landlord-tenant relationship between the tenant and his girlfriend. The landlord-tenant relationship exists between the tenant and his landlord. To file an ejectment, you need to have a valid claim to legal title. The tenant doesn’t have legal title. Unlawful detainer would be my recommendation. Richards v. Finley, 259 So.2d 167. <image003.jpg> Dariel Abrahamy, Esq. Shareholder 200 E. Broward Blvd, Suite 1800 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 P: 954-491-1120<tel:954-491-1120>; F: 954-343-6972<tel:954-343-6972> Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com<mailto:Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com> From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>] On Behalf Of Conrad Kahn Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 2:03 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? I believe unlawful detainee only applies to nonresidential tenancy. See Fla. Stat. 82.02. And eviction would be inappropriate too because there's no landlord-tenant relationship. Therefore, the proper cause of action is ejectment under chapter 66. This must be filed in circuit court unfortunately. On Apr 2, 2015 11:53 AM, "Anthony J. Horky" <ahorky@horkylaw.com<mailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com>> wrote: Members: I received a call from a tenant who signed a residential lease. After taking possession, he allowed his girlfriend to move in who does not pay rent and did not sign the lease. The relationship soured and now girlfriend refuses to leave. I am of the opinion that although the tenant is still in possession and entry by the girlfriend was lawful, her permission to remain in possession has been withdrawn and the tenant’s remedy is unlawful detainer. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Regards, <image004.png> Anthony J. Horky, Esquire Anthony J. 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Leonard Cabral
Tue, Jul 7, 2015 3:52 PM

Based on your legal advice Chip (just kidding) I will try an unlawful detainer on my next lock out case (and I have three years to file it).  I will report back how it goes.

Leonard P. Cabral
Leonardcabral@lenslaw.com

From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Roland Waller
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 11:33 AM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

I believe you can, since the landlord does not have tenancy to be in the property.  The Tenant has the right of possession.

Thank You,
Roland "Chip" Waller, Esquire
Waller & Mitchell
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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Leonard Cabral
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 8:11 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

Since we are on the subject of unlawful detainer

If the landlord takes possession from the tenant without legal process, (lock out) can the tenant bring an action for unlawful detainer against the landlord?    I believe the strict reading of the statute you can. I think it is irrelevant to such an action that the tenant’s possession is wrongful since the action for unlawful detainer is designed to compel the party claiming rightful possession (Tenant who was locked out) to use legal channels to evict the tenant.  I haven’t done this yet only because I do not like the language in the statute regarding residential tenancies.  (My first thought when I devised this plan to file an unlawful detainer against a landlord who locked out a tenant was that the language was specifically put in the statute so an unlawful detainer you could not be brought against a landlord in residential lockouts),

Anyone like to comment?  Anyone agree or disagree?

Leonard P. Cabral, Esq.
Leonardcabral@lenslaw.commailto:Leonardcabral@lenslaw.com
Please disregard inadvertent misspellings

From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Leonard Cabral
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 7:40 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

CAUTION in these case.  In my experience, Girlfriends find out that the Boyfriend want her out or is going to evict her, Girlfriend files an injunction for protection against domestic violence and the judge gives the girlfriend the rental dwelling.  She doesn’t pay rent and Boyfriend is evicted.
I have attached the new section of the unlawful detainer statute.

Leonard P. Cabral, Esq.
Leonardcabral@lenslaw.commailto:Leonardcabral@lenslaw.com
Please disregard inadvertent misspellings

From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Chen
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 9:42 AM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

I use the unlawful detainer statue without any reference to the eviction statute.  Unlawful detainer does not provide for attorneys fees, the eviction statute does.  They both provide for summary procedure under 51.011.  In the central Florida area I have had only one county judge hold up the process and after a hearing where I explained what was going on the judge entered judgment for possession.
If the girlfriend raises some claim that she is a tenant, then just set it for hearing and have her prove her case.  You can amend the complaint at that point to include eviction.

Dennis A. Chen, Esq.
Chen Law Firm, PA
13360 W. Colonial Dr, Ste. 470
Winter Garden, Florida 34787
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On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Lainie Simon <ljsimon1@comcast.netmailto:ljsimon1@comcast.net> wrote:
It never leaves unlawful detainer only.
Always do an alternative count for eviction.  You don’t know what she is going to say and you don’t know the comfort level of the judge with unlawful detainer.  You also have to think of the clerk and JA—they know eviction but not unlawful detainer.  There is theory and reality.  Reality holds that you always include a count for eviction.

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On Apr 3, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Anthony J. Horky <ahorky@horkylaw.commailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com> wrote:

Thank you everyone for your excellent input.

Based on the opposing views this seems to be a grey area.  I’m inclined to try unlawful detainer first but have recommended that the tenant attempt to pay the ex-girlfriend to leave.  There are several incidents of prior police calls so the references to a restraining order was well taken.  So was the comment that the landlord may find the tenant in breach and have them both removed.  I do not believe that ejectment is correct as there is no issue of who has better title to the residence, and eviction is not applicable because there is no rental agreement, oral or written, between the tenant and his girlfriend.  That leaves unlawful detainer only.

82.04 Remedy for unlawful detention.—
(1) If any person enters or has entered in a peaceable manner into any lands or tenements when the entry is lawful and after the expiration of the person’s right continues to hold them against the consent of the party entitled to possession, the party so entitled to possession is entitled to the summary procedure under s. 51.011http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0051/Sections/0051.011.html, at any time within 3 years after the possession has been withheld from the party against his or her consent.
(2) This section shall not apply with regard to residential tenancies.

This is a case of two persons living in a residence, but for the girlfriend it is not a “residential tenancy.”  Although Chapter 82 does not apply to “residential tenancies” there is no such defined term under Chapters 82 or 83.  As I wrote in ActionLine last year, without a definition we should look to the terms under 83 that together can be used to define such a tenancy.  There is no indicia of such tenancy here. The girlfriend did not enter into a “rental agreement,” she is not a “tenant,” the tenant is not a “landlord,” and the girlfriend is not paying “rent.”  At the same time, the tenant is entitled to possession.

Regards,

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Anthony J. Horky, Esquire

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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Cary Sabol
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 3:38 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

Same here.  I've filed many unlawful detainer cases under Chapter 82 for various reasons, including facts similar to the case in discussion.  I would recommend Chapter 83, not Ejectment.

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From: Joseph Alexander <jalexander@lieserskaff.commailto:jalexander@lieserskaff.com>
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Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what?

I agree with Daniel and the others...unlawful detainer.
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On Apr 2, 2015 3:08 PM, "Dariel Abrahamy" <Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.commailto:Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com> wrote:
I don’t necessarily agree that unlawful detention only applies to non-residential tenancies.  I think 82.02(2) and 82.02(4) simply mean that you can’t file an unlawful detention action if you have a residential landlord-tenant relationship.  Here, there is no landlord-tenant relationship between the tenant and his girlfriend. The landlord-tenant relationship exists between the tenant and his landlord.  To file an ejectment, you need to have a valid claim to legal title. The tenant doesn’t have legal title.

Unlawful detainer would be my recommendation. Richards v. Finley, 259 So.2d 167.

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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Conrad Kahn
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I believe unlawful detainee only applies to nonresidential tenancy.  See Fla. Stat. 82.02.  And eviction would be inappropriate too because there's no landlord-tenant relationship. Therefore, the proper cause of action is ejectment under chapter 66.  This must be filed in circuit court unfortunately.
On Apr 2, 2015 11:53 AM, "Anthony J. Horky" <ahorky@horkylaw.commailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com> wrote:
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I received a call from a tenant who signed a residential lease.  After taking possession, he allowed his girlfriend to move in who does not pay rent and did not sign the lease.  The relationship soured and now girlfriend refuses to leave.  I am of the opinion that although the tenant  is still in possession and entry by the girlfriend was lawful, her permission to remain in possession has been withdrawn and the tenant’s remedy is unlawful detainer.  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.

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Based on your legal advice Chip (just kidding) I will try an unlawful detainer on my next lock out case (and I have three years to file it). I will report back how it goes. Leonard P. Cabral Leonardcabral@lenslaw.com From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Roland Waller Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 11:33 AM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? I believe you can, since the landlord does not have tenancy to be in the property. The Tenant has the right of possession. Thank You, Roland "Chip" Waller, Esquire Waller & Mitchell 5332 Main Street New Port Richey, FL 34652 Office: 727-847-2288 / Fax: 727-848-4183 Roland.Waller@rdwaller.com<mailto:Roland.Waller@rdwaller.com> [cid:image001.jpg@01D0B8AB.71CA34E0] From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Leonard Cabral Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 8:11 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? Since we are on the subject of unlawful detainer If the landlord takes possession from the tenant without legal process, (lock out) can the tenant bring an action for unlawful detainer against the landlord? I believe the strict reading of the statute you can. I think it is irrelevant to such an action that the tenant’s possession is wrongful since the action for unlawful detainer is designed to compel the party claiming rightful possession (Tenant who was locked out) to use legal channels to evict the tenant. I haven’t done this yet only because I do not like the language in the statute regarding residential tenancies. (My first thought when I devised this plan to file an unlawful detainer against a landlord who locked out a tenant was that the language was specifically put in the statute so an unlawful detainer you could not be brought against a landlord in residential lockouts), Anyone like to comment? Anyone agree or disagree? Leonard P. Cabral, Esq. Leonardcabral@lenslaw.com<mailto:Leonardcabral@lenslaw.com> Please disregard inadvertent misspellings From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Leonard Cabral Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 7:40 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? CAUTION in these case. In my experience, Girlfriends find out that the Boyfriend want her out or is going to evict her, Girlfriend files an injunction for protection against domestic violence and the judge gives the girlfriend the rental dwelling. She doesn’t pay rent and Boyfriend is evicted. I have attached the new section of the unlawful detainer statute. Leonard P. Cabral, Esq. Leonardcabral@lenslaw.com<mailto:Leonardcabral@lenslaw.com> Please disregard inadvertent misspellings From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Chen Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 9:42 AM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? I use the unlawful detainer statue without any reference to the eviction statute. Unlawful detainer does not provide for attorneys fees, the eviction statute does. They both provide for summary procedure under 51.011. In the central Florida area I have had only one county judge hold up the process and after a hearing where I explained what was going on the judge entered judgment for possession. If the girlfriend raises some claim that she is a tenant, then just set it for hearing and have her prove her case. You can amend the complaint at that point to include eviction. Dennis A. Chen, Esq. Chen Law Firm, PA 13360 W. Colonial Dr, Ste. 470 Winter Garden, Florida 34787 Tel: (407) 392-1872 dennis@chenlaw.net<mailto:dennis@chenlaw.net> Bankruptcy * Civil Litigation * Landlord/Tenant * Personal Injury * Real Estate Litigation CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any attachment, contains legally privileged and confidential information and is intended solely for the recipient. Should the intended recipient forward this message to any person or entity, that action could constitute a waiver of the attorney-client privilege. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited. If this communication was sent or received in error, please notify us by reply e-mail and delete the original message. On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Lainie Simon <ljsimon1@comcast.net<mailto:ljsimon1@comcast.net>> wrote: It never leaves unlawful detainer only. Always do an alternative count for eviction. You don’t know what she is going to say and you don’t know the comfort level of the judge with unlawful detainer. You also have to think of the clerk and JA—they know eviction but not unlawful detainer. There is theory and reality. Reality holds that you always include a count for eviction. Lainie J. Simon, Esq. 185 NW Spanish River Boulevard Suite 220 Boca Raton, FL 33431 561.445.1361<tel:561.445.1361> 561.997.6224<tel:561.997.6224>(fax) PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521 and is legally privileged. The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the party or parties addressed and named in this message. This communication and all attachments, if any, are intended to be and to remain confidential, and it may be subject to the applicable attorney - client and or work product privileges. 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I’m inclined to try unlawful detainer first but have recommended that the tenant attempt to pay the ex-girlfriend to leave. There are several incidents of prior police calls so the references to a restraining order was well taken. So was the comment that the landlord may find the tenant in breach and have them both removed. I do not believe that ejectment is correct as there is no issue of who has better title to the residence, and eviction is not applicable because there is no rental agreement, oral or written, between the tenant and his girlfriend. That leaves unlawful detainer only. 82.04 Remedy for unlawful detention.— (1) If any person enters or has entered in a peaceable manner into any lands or tenements when the entry is lawful and after the expiration of the person’s right continues to hold them against the consent of the party entitled to possession, the party so entitled to possession is entitled to the summary procedure under s. 51.011<http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0051/Sections/0051.011.html>, at any time within 3 years after the possession has been withheld from the party against his or her consent. (2) This section shall not apply with regard to residential tenancies. This is a case of two persons living in a residence, but for the girlfriend it is not a “residential tenancy.” Although Chapter 82 does not apply to “residential tenancies” there is no such defined term under Chapters 82 or 83. As I wrote in ActionLine last year, without a definition we should look to the terms under 83 that together can be used to define such a tenancy. There is no indicia of such tenancy here. The girlfriend did not enter into a “rental agreement,” she is not a “tenant,” the tenant is not a “landlord,” and the girlfriend is not paying “rent.” At the same time, the tenant is entitled to possession. Regards, <image002.png> Anthony J. Horky, Esquire Anthony J. Horky, P.A. 2255 Glades Road, Suite 324A Boca Raton, Florida 33431 T: 561.989.3206<tel:561.989.3206> F: 561.952.0096<tel:561.952.0096> www.horkylaw.com<http://www.horkylaw.com/> This message and the documents attached to it, if any, are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is attorney-client privileged or confidential, and/or may contain attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Cary Sabol Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 3:38 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? Same here. I've filed many unlawful detainer cases under Chapter 82 for various reasons, including facts similar to the case in discussion. I would recommend Chapter 83, not Ejectment. Cary Law Offices of Cary P. Sabol P.O. 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I agree with Daniel and the others...unlawful detainer. Please excuse any typos, as this email was sent from my mobile device. Thank you, Joseph N. Alexander LIESER SKAFF ALEXANDER, PLLC 511 W. Bay Street Suite 350 Tampa, Florida 33606 Phone: (813) 280-1256<tel:%28813%29%20280-1256> Fax: (813) 251-8715<tel:%28813%29%20251-8715> Email: jalexander@lieserskaff.com<mailto:jalexander@lieserskaff.com> Web: www.lieserskaff.com<http://www.lieserskaff.com/> On Apr 2, 2015 3:08 PM, "Dariel Abrahamy" <Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com<mailto:Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com>> wrote: I don’t necessarily agree that unlawful detention only applies to non-residential tenancies. I think 82.02(2) and 82.02(4) simply mean that you can’t file an unlawful detention action if you have a residential landlord-tenant relationship. Here, there is no landlord-tenant relationship between the tenant and his girlfriend. The landlord-tenant relationship exists between the tenant and his landlord. To file an ejectment, you need to have a valid claim to legal title. The tenant doesn’t have legal title. Unlawful detainer would be my recommendation. Richards v. Finley, 259 So.2d 167. <image003.jpg> Dariel Abrahamy, Esq. Shareholder 200 E. Broward Blvd, Suite 1800 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 P: 954-491-1120<tel:954-491-1120>; F: 954-343-6972<tel:954-343-6972> Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com<mailto:Dariel.Abrahamy@gmlaw.com> From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>] On Behalf Of Conrad Kahn Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 2:03 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] Girlfriend refuses to leave, now what? I believe unlawful detainee only applies to nonresidential tenancy. See Fla. Stat. 82.02. And eviction would be inappropriate too because there's no landlord-tenant relationship. Therefore, the proper cause of action is ejectment under chapter 66. This must be filed in circuit court unfortunately. On Apr 2, 2015 11:53 AM, "Anthony J. Horky" <ahorky@horkylaw.com<mailto:ahorky@horkylaw.com>> wrote: Members: I received a call from a tenant who signed a residential lease. After taking possession, he allowed his girlfriend to move in who does not pay rent and did not sign the lease. The relationship soured and now girlfriend refuses to leave. I am of the opinion that although the tenant is still in possession and entry by the girlfriend was lawful, her permission to remain in possession has been withdrawn and the tenant’s remedy is unlawful detainer. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Regards, <image004.png> Anthony J. Horky, Esquire Anthony J. 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