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Mason, W

Thu, Jan 18, 2018 1:21 AM

Hi All,

I am working on a research project for a client. A question that has come up is whether there is any requirement to have a contractor registration or certification number listed on a purchase agreement between a single family home builder and the purchaser of a single family home.

489.119(5)(b) provides that "the registration or certification number of each contractor shall appear in each offer of services, business proposal, bid, contract, or advertisement, regardless of medium, as defined by board rule, used by that contractor or business organization in the practice of contracting."

The "developer exemption" in 489.105(6) states that "the term "contracting" shall not extend to an individual, partnership, corporation, trust, or other legal entity that offers to sell or sells completed residences on property on which the individual or business entity has any legal or equitable interest, or to the individual or business entity that offers to sell or sells manufactured or factory-built buildings that will be completed on site on property on which either party to a contract has any legal or equitable interest, if the services of a qualified contractor certified or registered pursuant to the requirements of this chapter have been or will be retained for the purpose of constructing or completing such residences."

Assume the client qualifies for the developer exemption. Since a purchase agreement between a developer and a purchaser of a residence isn't a contract used by a contractor in the practice of contracting, my initial opinion was that the statutes are pretty clear, and because developers aren't "contracting," there is no party to the purchase agreement between the developer and purchaser that could constitute a "contractor" practicing "contracting" where there needs to be a registration/certification number pursuant to 489.119.

Am I missing anything here? The answer seems pretty easy but the client is worried that it needs to have a contractor certification or registration number on every purchase contract and has asked me to triple check. If a developer has retained a contractor to build the homes sold by the developer to the purchaser is there some other authority that requires the developer to list the contractor's license number on the purchase contract even though the contractor is not a party to the purchase agreement and is only retained by the developer and not the purchaser?

Thanks for any input.

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Hi All, I am working on a research project for a client. A question that has come up is whether there is any requirement to have a contractor registration or certification number listed on a purchase agreement between a single family home builder and the purchaser of a single family home. 489.119(5)(b) provides that "the registration or certification number of each contractor shall appear in each offer of services, business proposal, bid, contract, or advertisement, regardless of medium, as defined by board rule, used by that contractor or business organization in the practice of contracting." The "developer exemption" in 489.105(6) states that "the term "contracting" shall not extend to an individual, partnership, corporation, trust, or other legal entity that offers to sell or sells completed residences on property on which the individual or business entity has any legal or equitable interest, or to the individual or business entity that offers to sell or sells manufactured or factory-built buildings that will be completed on site on property on which either party to a contract has any legal or equitable interest, if the services of a qualified contractor certified or registered pursuant to the requirements of this chapter have been or will be retained for the purpose of constructing or completing such residences." Assume the client qualifies for the developer exemption. Since a purchase agreement between a developer and a purchaser of a residence isn't a contract used by a contractor in the practice of contracting, my initial opinion was that the statutes are pretty clear, and because developers aren't "contracting," there is no party to the purchase agreement between the developer and purchaser that could constitute a "contractor" practicing "contracting" where there needs to be a registration/certification number pursuant to 489.119. Am I missing anything here? The answer seems pretty easy but the client is worried that it needs to have a contractor certification or registration number on every purchase contract and has asked me to triple check. If a developer has retained a contractor to build the homes sold by the developer to the purchaser is there some other authority that requires the developer to list the contractor's license number on the purchase contract even though the contractor is not a party to the purchase agreement and is only retained by the developer and not the purchaser? Thanks for any input. This email contains information that may be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent authorized to receive for the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose or use any contents in this email. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender at Fox Rothschild LLP by replying to this email and delete the original and reply emails. Thank you.

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Paul J. Kelly

Thu, Jan 18, 2018 1:38 PM

Mason,

Check out Rule 61G4-12.011 FAC- https://www.flrules.org/gateway/RuleNo.asp?title=ORGANIZATION%20AND%20PURPOSE https://www.flrules.org/gateway/RuleNo.asp?title=ORGANIZATION%20AND%20PURPOSE&ID=61G4-12.011 &ID=61G4-12.011 – language you want to look at says license numbers should be on all bids, proposals, etc. – I always put the license number right up on the top of the document – one more line to be safe . . . perhaps you could differentiate between the developer and the contractor, but I would include the contractor’s license regardless . . .

Sincerely,

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From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Mason, W
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 8:21 PM
To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] 489 Question

Hi All,

I am working on a research project for a client. A question that has come up is whether there is any requirement to have a contractor registration or certification number listed on a purchase agreement between a single family home builder and the purchaser of a single family home.

489.119(5)(b) provides that “the registration or certification number of each contractor shall appear in each offer of services, business proposal, bid, contract, or advertisement, regardless of medium, as defined by board rule, used by that contractor or business organization in the practice of contracting.”

The “developer exemption” in 489.105(6) states that “the term “contracting” shall not extend to an individual, partnership, corporation, trust, or other legal entity that offers to sell or sells completed residences on property on which the individual or business entity has any legal or equitable interest, or to the individual or business entity that offers to sell or sells manufactured or factory-built buildings that will be completed on site on property on which either party to a contract has any legal or equitable interest, if the services of a qualified contractor certified or registered pursuant to the requirements of this chapter have been or will be retained for the purpose of constructing or completing such residences.”

Assume the client qualifies for the developer exemption. Since a purchase agreement between a developer and a purchaser of a residence isn’t a contract used by a contractor in the practice of contracting, my initial opinion was that the statutes are pretty clear, and because developers aren’t “contracting,” there is no party to the purchase agreement between the developer and purchaser that could constitute a “contractor” practicing “contracting” where there needs to be a registration/certification number pursuant to 489.119.

Am I missing anything here? The answer seems pretty easy but the client is worried that it needs to have a contractor certification or registration number on every purchase contract and has asked me to triple check. If a developer has retained a contractor to build the homes sold by the developer to the purchaser is there some other authority that requires the developer to list the contractor’s license number on the purchase contract even though the contractor is not a party to the purchase agreement and is only retained by the developer and not the purchaser?

Thanks for any input.

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Mason, Check out Rule 61G4-12.011 FAC- https://www.flrules.org/gateway/RuleNo.asp?title=ORGANIZATION%20AND%20PURPOSE <https://www.flrules.org/gateway/RuleNo.asp?title=ORGANIZATION%20AND%20PURPOSE&ID=61G4-12.011> &ID=61G4-12.011 – language you want to look at says license numbers should be on all bids, proposals, etc. – I always put the license number right up on the top of the document – one more line to be safe . . . perhaps you could differentiate between the developer and the contractor, but I would include the contractor’s license regardless . . . Sincerely, Paul J. Kelly Paul J. Kelly, P.A. 2959 First Avenue North St. Petersburg, Florida 33713 (727) 327-3935 cid:image006153c.jpg CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: A law firm is sending this message; This e-mail message including attachments, if any, is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Unless necessary, please do not print this email. From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Mason, W Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 8:21 PM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: [CLC-Discussion] 489 Question Hi All, I am working on a research project for a client. A question that has come up is whether there is any requirement to have a contractor registration or certification number listed on a purchase agreement between a single family home builder and the purchaser of a single family home. 489.119(5)(b) provides that “the registration or certification number of each contractor shall appear in each offer of services, business proposal, bid, contract, or advertisement, regardless of medium, as defined by board rule, used by that contractor or business organization in the practice of contracting.” The “developer exemption” in 489.105(6) states that “the term “contracting” shall not extend to an individual, partnership, corporation, trust, or other legal entity that offers to sell or sells completed residences on property on which the individual or business entity has any legal or equitable interest, or to the individual or business entity that offers to sell or sells manufactured or factory-built buildings that will be completed on site on property on which either party to a contract has any legal or equitable interest, if the services of a qualified contractor certified or registered pursuant to the requirements of this chapter have been or will be retained for the purpose of constructing or completing such residences.” Assume the client qualifies for the developer exemption. Since a purchase agreement between a developer and a purchaser of a residence isn’t a contract used by a contractor in the practice of contracting, my initial opinion was that the statutes are pretty clear, and because developers aren’t “contracting,” there is no party to the purchase agreement between the developer and purchaser that could constitute a “contractor” practicing “contracting” where there needs to be a registration/certification number pursuant to 489.119. Am I missing anything here? The answer seems pretty easy but the client is worried that it needs to have a contractor certification or registration number on every purchase contract and has asked me to triple check. If a developer has retained a contractor to build the homes sold by the developer to the purchaser is there some other authority that requires the developer to list the contractor’s license number on the purchase contract even though the contractor is not a party to the purchase agreement and is only retained by the developer and not the purchaser? Thanks for any input. This email contains information that may be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent authorized to receive for the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose or use any contents in this email. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender at Fox Rothschild LLP by replying to this email and delete the original and reply emails. Thank you.

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Bruce Partington

Thu, Jan 18, 2018 2:35 PM

Under the “better safe that sorry” principle, I would put it on there. There’s no downside to that that I see.

In a strict sense, if the contract is signed before construction is complete, it’s probably fairly considered a contract for construction and the license number would be required. If the contract is signed after the house is finally complete/punched out/move in ready, and no work is being done to the house under the sales contract, it’s perhaps just a contract for the sale of a house, but that a gray, porous, and dangerous line to rely on.

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From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Mason, W
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 7:21 PM
To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] 489 Question

Hi All,

I am working on a research project for a client. A question that has come up is whether there is any requirement to have a contractor registration or certification number listed on a purchase agreement between a single family home builder and the purchaser of a single family home.

489.119(5)(b) provides that “the registration or certification number of each contractor shall appear in each offer of services, business proposal, bid, contract, or advertisement, regardless of medium, as defined by board rule, used by that contractor or business organization in the practice of contracting.”

The “developer exemption” in 489.105(6) states that “the term “contracting” shall not extend to an individual, partnership, corporation, trust, or other legal entity that offers to sell or sells completed residences on property on which the individual or business entity has any legal or equitable interest, or to the individual or business entity that offers to sell or sells manufactured or factory-built buildings that will be completed on site on property on which either party to a contract has any legal or equitable interest, if the services of a qualified contractor certified or registered pursuant to the requirements of this chapter have been or will be retained for the purpose of constructing or completing such residences.”

Assume the client qualifies for the developer exemption. Since a purchase agreement between a developer and a purchaser of a residence isn’t a contract used by a contractor in the practice of contracting, my initial opinion was that the statutes are pretty clear, and because developers aren’t “contracting,” there is no party to the purchase agreement between the developer and purchaser that could constitute a “contractor” practicing “contracting” where there needs to be a registration/certification number pursuant to 489.119.

Am I missing anything here? The answer seems pretty easy but the client is worried that it needs to have a contractor certification or registration number on every purchase contract and has asked me to triple check. If a developer has retained a contractor to build the homes sold by the developer to the purchaser is there some other authority that requires the developer to list the contractor’s license number on the purchase contract even though the contractor is not a party to the purchase agreement and is only retained by the developer and not the purchaser?

Thanks for any input.

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Under the “better safe that sorry” principle, I would put it on there. There’s no downside to that that I see. In a strict sense, if the contract is signed before construction is complete, it’s probably fairly considered a contract for construction and the license number would be required. If the contract is signed after the house is finally complete/punched out/move in ready, and no work is being done to the house under the sales contract, it’s perhaps just a contract for the sale of a house, but that a gray, porous, and dangerous line to rely on. [http://cp.idgroupbranding.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/logo.png] Bruce D. Partington Shareholder • Board Certified in Construction Law PO Box 13010, Pensacola, FL 32591-3010 O (850) 432.1399 C (850) 982.3875 F (850) 432.7340 clarkpartington.com | <http://clarkpartington.com/> bpartington@clarkpartington.com<mailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com> | Clark Partington From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Mason, W Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 7:21 PM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: [CLC-Discussion] 489 Question Hi All, I am working on a research project for a client. A question that has come up is whether there is any requirement to have a contractor registration or certification number listed on a purchase agreement between a single family home builder and the purchaser of a single family home. 489.119(5)(b) provides that “the registration or certification number of each contractor shall appear in each offer of services, business proposal, bid, contract, or advertisement, regardless of medium, as defined by board rule, used by that contractor or business organization in the practice of contracting.” The “developer exemption” in 489.105(6) states that “the term “contracting” shall not extend to an individual, partnership, corporation, trust, or other legal entity that offers to sell or sells completed residences on property on which the individual or business entity has any legal or equitable interest, or to the individual or business entity that offers to sell or sells manufactured or factory-built buildings that will be completed on site on property on which either party to a contract has any legal or equitable interest, if the services of a qualified contractor certified or registered pursuant to the requirements of this chapter have been or will be retained for the purpose of constructing or completing such residences.” Assume the client qualifies for the developer exemption. Since a purchase agreement between a developer and a purchaser of a residence isn’t a contract used by a contractor in the practice of contracting, my initial opinion was that the statutes are pretty clear, and because developers aren’t “contracting,” there is no party to the purchase agreement between the developer and purchaser that could constitute a “contractor” practicing “contracting” where there needs to be a registration/certification number pursuant to 489.119. Am I missing anything here? The answer seems pretty easy but the client is worried that it needs to have a contractor certification or registration number on every purchase contract and has asked me to triple check. If a developer has retained a contractor to build the homes sold by the developer to the purchaser is there some other authority that requires the developer to list the contractor’s license number on the purchase contract even though the contractor is not a party to the purchase agreement and is only retained by the developer and not the purchaser? Thanks for any input. This email contains information that may be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent authorized to receive for the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose or use any contents in this email. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender at Fox Rothschild LLP by replying to this email and delete the original and reply emails. Thank you.

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Jeffrey Price

Thu, Jan 18, 2018 3:12 PM

From my position (not having to defend anything) I would say no, provided the developer is using “the services of a qualified contractor certified or registered pursuant to the requirements of this chapter have been or will be retained for the purpose of constructing or completing such residences.”

It is confusing because the first part, “that offers to sell or sells completed residences on property” appears to speak of only finished homes, while the second part clearly describes constructing a home.

Thus, we have an internally inconsistent rule (good job drafters – a lawyer full-employment rule!) and you pick your poison. If the developer is not designating the specific contractor (the choice is left to the buyer later) then at the time of contract signing, it is impossible to put any license number on the contract. If the developer has a list of captive (preferred) contractors that the buyer must choose from, then I’d list them all by name and number.

Jeffrey L. Price, Esq.
Florida Bar Board Certified - Construction Law
Florida Civil-law Notary
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5216 SW 91st Drive Gainesville, FL 32608
Ph (352) 373-9031 Fax (352) 373-9099
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From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Partington
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:35 AM
To: Mason, W WMason@foxrothschild.com; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] 489 Question

Under the “better safe that sorry” principle, I would put it on there. There’s no downside to that that I see.

In a strict sense, if the contract is signed before construction is complete, it’s probably fairly considered a contract for construction and the license number would be required. If the contract is signed after the house is finally complete/punched out/move in ready, and no work is being done to the house under the sales contract, it’s perhaps just a contract for the sale of a house, but that a gray, porous, and dangerous line to rely on.

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Bruce D. Partington
Shareholder • Board Certified in Construction Law

PO Box 13010, Pensacola, FL 32591-3010

O (850) 432.1399 C (850) 982.3875 F (850) 432.7340

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Clark Partington

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Mason, W
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To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] 489 Question

Hi All,

I am working on a research project for a client. A question that has come up is whether there is any requirement to have a contractor registration or certification number listed on a purchase agreement between a single family home builder and the purchaser of a single family home.

489.119(5)(b) provides that “the registration or certification number of each contractor shall appear in each offer of services, business proposal, bid, contract, or advertisement, regardless of medium, as defined by board rule, used by that contractor or business organization in the practice of contracting.”

The “developer exemption” in 489.105(6) states that “the term “contracting” shall not extend to an individual, partnership, corporation, trust, or other legal entity that offers to sell or sells completed residences on property on which the individual or business entity has any legal or equitable interest, or to the individual or business entity that offers to sell or sells manufactured or factory-built buildings that will be completed on site on property on which either party to a contract has any legal or equitable interest, if the services of a qualified contractor certified or registered pursuant to the requirements of this chapter have been or will be retained for the purpose of constructing or completing such residences.”

Assume the client qualifies for the developer exemption. Since a purchase agreement between a developer and a purchaser of a residence isn’t a contract used by a contractor in the practice of contracting, my initial opinion was that the statutes are pretty clear, and because developers aren’t “contracting,” there is no party to the purchase agreement between the developer and purchaser that could constitute a “contractor” practicing “contracting” where there needs to be a registration/certification number pursuant to 489.119.

Am I missing anything here? The answer seems pretty easy but the client is worried that it needs to have a contractor certification or registration number on every purchase contract and has asked me to triple check. If a developer has retained a contractor to build the homes sold by the developer to the purchaser is there some other authority that requires the developer to list the contractor’s license number on the purchase contract even though the contractor is not a party to the purchase agreement and is only retained by the developer and not the purchaser?

Thanks for any input.

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From my position (not having to defend anything) I would say no, provided the developer is using “the services of a qualified contractor certified or registered pursuant to the requirements of this chapter have been or will be retained for the purpose of constructing or completing such residences.” It is confusing because the first part, “that offers to sell or sells completed residences on property” appears to speak of only finished homes, while the second part clearly describes constructing a home. Thus, we have an internally inconsistent rule (good job drafters – a lawyer full-employment rule!) and you pick your poison. If the developer is not designating the specific contractor (the choice is left to the buyer later) then at the time of contract signing, it is impossible to put any license number on the contract. If the developer has a list of captive (preferred) contractors that the buyer must choose from, then I’d list them all by name and number. Jeffrey L. Price, Esq. Florida Bar Board Certified - Construction Law Florida Civil-law Notary Niesen|Price|Worthy|Campo, PA 5216 SW 91st Drive Gainesville, FL 32608 Ph (352) 373-9031 Fax (352) 373-9099 http://npw-law.com<http://npw-law.com/> [npw-logo-circle-orange-medium][ConstructionLaw small logo] [http://www.boyd-jenerette.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/nacln12.gif] This communication is intended for the sole use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this communication is not the intended recipient, employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify me by telephone, delete this communication, and destroy any copies of it. Thank you. From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Partington Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:35 AM To: Mason, W <WMason@foxrothschild.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] 489 Question Under the “better safe that sorry” principle, I would put it on there. There’s no downside to that that I see. In a strict sense, if the contract is signed before construction is complete, it’s probably fairly considered a contract for construction and the license number would be required. If the contract is signed after the house is finally complete/punched out/move in ready, and no work is being done to the house under the sales contract, it’s perhaps just a contract for the sale of a house, but that a gray, porous, and dangerous line to rely on. [http://cp.idgroupbranding.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/logo.png] Bruce D. Partington Shareholder • Board Certified in Construction Law PO Box 13010, Pensacola, FL 32591-3010 O (850) 432.1399 C (850) 982.3875 F (850) 432.7340 clarkpartington.com | <http://clarkpartington.com/> bpartington@clarkpartington.com<mailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com> | Clark Partington From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Mason, W Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 7:21 PM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: [CLC-Discussion] 489 Question Hi All, I am working on a research project for a client. A question that has come up is whether there is any requirement to have a contractor registration or certification number listed on a purchase agreement between a single family home builder and the purchaser of a single family home. 489.119(5)(b) provides that “the registration or certification number of each contractor shall appear in each offer of services, business proposal, bid, contract, or advertisement, regardless of medium, as defined by board rule, used by that contractor or business organization in the practice of contracting.” The “developer exemption” in 489.105(6) states that “the term “contracting” shall not extend to an individual, partnership, corporation, trust, or other legal entity that offers to sell or sells completed residences on property on which the individual or business entity has any legal or equitable interest, or to the individual or business entity that offers to sell or sells manufactured or factory-built buildings that will be completed on site on property on which either party to a contract has any legal or equitable interest, if the services of a qualified contractor certified or registered pursuant to the requirements of this chapter have been or will be retained for the purpose of constructing or completing such residences.” Assume the client qualifies for the developer exemption. Since a purchase agreement between a developer and a purchaser of a residence isn’t a contract used by a contractor in the practice of contracting, my initial opinion was that the statutes are pretty clear, and because developers aren’t “contracting,” there is no party to the purchase agreement between the developer and purchaser that could constitute a “contractor” practicing “contracting” where there needs to be a registration/certification number pursuant to 489.119. Am I missing anything here? The answer seems pretty easy but the client is worried that it needs to have a contractor certification or registration number on every purchase contract and has asked me to triple check. If a developer has retained a contractor to build the homes sold by the developer to the purchaser is there some other authority that requires the developer to list the contractor’s license number on the purchase contract even though the contractor is not a party to the purchase agreement and is only retained by the developer and not the purchaser? Thanks for any input. This email contains information that may be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent authorized to receive for the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose or use any contents in this email. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender at Fox Rothschild LLP by replying to this email and delete the original and reply emails. Thank you.