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Roberts, Hardy L.

Wed, May 21, 2014 7:22 PM

Florida's Second District Court of Appeal issued the attached decision this morning in Snell v. Mott's Contracting Services, Inc., regarding construction claims of lien and arbitration proceedings. The court held that Section 713.21(1) requires that an "action to enforce a construction lien must be brought 'in a court of competent jurisdiction' within one year of recording the claim of lien or it automatically extinguishes" and that an arbitration proceeding is not a "court." The court also held that the "the lien became unenforceable pursuant to section 713.22 prior to the issuance of the [arbitration] award" due to the contractor's failure to file an enforcement action in court.

Much thanks to Matt Belcastro for bringing this decision to the attention of the Construction Law Committee.

[Carlton Fields Jorden Burt, P.A.]
Hardy L. Roberts
Attorney at Law
Board Certified by the Florida Bar in Construction Law
4221 W. Boy Scout Blvd., Ste. 1000
Tampa, Florida 33607-5780
Direct: 813.229.4105 | Fax: 813.229.4133

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Florida's Second District Court of Appeal issued the attached decision this morning in Snell v. Mott's Contracting Services, Inc., regarding construction claims of lien and arbitration proceedings. The court held that Section 713.21(1) requires that an "action to enforce a construction lien must be brought 'in a court of competent jurisdiction' within one year of recording the claim of lien or it automatically extinguishes" and that an arbitration proceeding is not a "court." The court also held that the "the lien became unenforceable pursuant to section 713.22 prior to the issuance of the [arbitration] award" due to the contractor's failure to file an enforcement action in court. Much thanks to Matt Belcastro for bringing this decision to the attention of the Construction Law Committee. [Carlton Fields Jorden Burt, P.A.] Hardy L. Roberts Attorney at Law Board Certified by the Florida Bar in Construction Law 4221 W. Boy Scout Blvd., Ste. 1000 Tampa, Florida 33607-5780 Direct: 813.229.4105 | Fax: 813.229.4133 HRoberts@cfjblaw.com<mailto:HRoberts@cfjblaw.com> | www.CFJBLaw.com<http://www.cfjblaw.com/> bio<http://www.cfjblaw.com/hroberts/> | vcard<http://www.cfjblaw.com/FCWSite/Features/_Attorneys/vCard.aspx?attorney=176> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=249761797&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile> Confidential: This e-mail contains a communication protected by the attorney-client privilege or constitutes work product. If you do not expect such a communication please delete this message without reading it or any attachment and then notify the sender of this inadvertent delivery.

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Randall Gilbert

Wed, May 21, 2014 11:11 PM

If someone wanted to buy the property and looked in the public records and saw no suit was brought to enforce the lien within one year they would think the property is clean.
Filing a foreclosure of a construction lien in an arbitration is not public notice.
Therefore, the right step to take is to file the foreclosure claim in court and simultaneously move to stay pending arbitration.

Sincerely yours,
Randall Gilbert, Esq.
Board Certified Construction Lawyer

[Randall-Gilbert]

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Roberts, Hardy L.
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:22 PM
To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration

Florida's Second District Court of Appeal issued the attached decision this morning in Snell v. Mott's Contracting Services, Inc., regarding construction claims of lien and arbitration proceedings. The court held that Section 713.21(1) requires that an "action to enforce a construction lien must be brought 'in a court of competent jurisdiction' within one year of recording the claim of lien or it automatically extinguishes" and that an arbitration proceeding is not a "court." The court also held that the "the lien became unenforceable pursuant to section 713.22 prior to the issuance of the [arbitration] award" due to the contractor's failure to file an enforcement action in court.

Much thanks to Matt Belcastro for bringing this decision to the attention of the Construction Law Committee.

[Carlton Fields Jorden Burt, P.A.]
Hardy L. Roberts
Attorney at Law
Board Certified by the Florida Bar in Construction Law
4221 W. Boy Scout Blvd., Ste. 1000
Tampa, Florida 33607-5780
Direct: 813.229.4105 | Fax: 813.229.4133

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If someone wanted to buy the property and looked in the public records and saw no suit was brought to enforce the lien within one year they would think the property is clean. Filing a foreclosure of a construction lien in an arbitration is not public notice. Therefore, the right step to take is to file the foreclosure claim in court and simultaneously move to stay pending arbitration. Sincerely yours, Randall Gilbert, Esq. Board Certified Construction Lawyer [Randall-Gilbert] From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Roberts, Hardy L. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:22 PM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration Florida's Second District Court of Appeal issued the attached decision this morning in Snell v. Mott's Contracting Services, Inc., regarding construction claims of lien and arbitration proceedings. The court held that Section 713.21(1) requires that an "action to enforce a construction lien must be brought 'in a court of competent jurisdiction' within one year of recording the claim of lien or it automatically extinguishes" and that an arbitration proceeding is not a "court." The court also held that the "the lien became unenforceable pursuant to section 713.22 prior to the issuance of the [arbitration] award" due to the contractor's failure to file an enforcement action in court. Much thanks to Matt Belcastro for bringing this decision to the attention of the Construction Law Committee. [Carlton Fields Jorden Burt, P.A.] Hardy L. Roberts Attorney at Law Board Certified by the Florida Bar in Construction Law 4221 W. Boy Scout Blvd., Ste. 1000 Tampa, Florida 33607-5780 Direct: 813.229.4105 | Fax: 813.229.4133 HRoberts@cfjblaw.com<mailto:HRoberts@cfjblaw.com> | www.CFJBLaw.com<http://www.cfjblaw.com/> bio<http://www.cfjblaw.com/hroberts/> | vcard<http://www.cfjblaw.com/FCWSite/Features/_Attorneys/vCard.aspx?attorney=176> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=249761797&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile> Confidential: This e-mail contains a communication protected by the attorney-client privilege or constitutes work product. If you do not expect such a communication please delete this message without reading it or any attachment and then notify the sender of this inadvertent delivery.

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Randall Gilbert

Wed, May 21, 2014 11:37 PM

The lis pendens needs to be connected with a civil case?

48.23 Lis pendens.—
(1)(a) An action in any of the state or federal courts in this state operates as a lis pendens on any real or personal property involved therein or to be affected thereby only if a notice of lis pendens is recorded in the official records of the county where the property is located and such notice has not expired pursuant to subsection (2) or been withdrawn or discharged.
(b)1. An action that is filed for specific performance or that is not based on a duly recorded instrument has no effect, except as between the parties to the proceeding, on the title to, or on any lien upon, the real or personal property unless a notice of lis pendens has been recorded and has not expired or been withdrawn or discharged.
2. Any person acquiring for value an interest in the real or personal property during the pendency of an action described in subparagraph 1., other than a party to the proceeding or the legal successor by operation of law, or personal representative, heir, or devisee of a deceased party to the proceeding, shall take such interest exempt from all claims against the property that were filed in such action by the party who failed to record a notice of lis pendens or whose notice expired or was withdrawn or discharged, and from any judgment entered in the proceeding, notwithstanding the provisions of s. 695.01http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=48.23&URL=0600-0699/0695/Sections/0695.01.html, as if such person had no actual or constructive notice of the proceeding or of the claims made therein or the documents forming the causes of action against the property in the proceeding.
(c)1. A notice of lis pendens must contain the following:
a. The names of the parties.
b. The date of the institution of the action, the date of the clerk’s electronic receipt, or the case number of the action.
c. The name of the court in which it is pending.
d. A description of the property involved or to be affected.
e. A statement of the relief sought as to the property.

Sincerely yours,

Randall Gilbert, Esq.

Board Certified Construction Lawyer

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Atkinson [mailto:TAtkinson@ohfc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 7:42 PM
To: rgilbert rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com
Cc: Roberts, Hardy L.; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration

What if a lis pendins is filed?

Timothy P. Atkinson

850-544-5304

On May 21, 2014, at 7:36 PM, "Randall Gilbert" <rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com<mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com%3cmailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com>> wrote:

If someone wanted to buy the property and looked in the public records and saw no suit was brought to enforce the lien within one year they would think the property is clean.

Filing a foreclosure of a construction lien in an arbitration is not public notice.

Therefore, the right step to take is to file the foreclosure claim in court and simultaneously move to stay pending arbitration.

Sincerely yours,

Randall Gilbert, Esq.

Board Certified Construction Lawyer

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Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:22 PM

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Subject: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration

Florida’s Second District Court of Appeal issued the attached decision this morning in Snell v. Mott’s Contracting Services, Inc., regarding construction claims of lien and arbitration proceedings. The court held that Section 713.21(1) requires that an “action to enforce a construction lien must be brought ‘in a court of competent jurisdiction’ within one year of recording the claim of lien or it automatically extinguishes” and that an arbitration proceeding is not a “court.” The court also held that the “the lien became unenforceable pursuant to section 713.22 prior to the issuance of the [arbitration] award” due to the contractor’s failure to file an enforcement action in court.

Much thanks to Matt Belcastro for bringing this decision to the attention of the Construction Law Committee.

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Hardy L. Roberts

Attorney at Law

Board Certified by the Florida Bar in Construction Law

4221 W. Boy Scout Blvd., Ste. 1000

Tampa, Florida 33607-5780

Direct: 813.229.4105 | Fax: 813.229.4133

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The lis pendens needs to be connected with a civil case? 48.23 Lis pendens.— (1)(a) An action in any of the state or federal courts in this state operates as a lis pendens on any real or personal property involved therein or to be affected thereby only if a notice of lis pendens is recorded in the official records of the county where the property is located and such notice has not expired pursuant to subsection (2) or been withdrawn or discharged. (b)1. An action that is filed for specific performance or that is not based on a duly recorded instrument has no effect, except as between the parties to the proceeding, on the title to, or on any lien upon, the real or personal property unless a notice of lis pendens has been recorded and has not expired or been withdrawn or discharged. 2. Any person acquiring for value an interest in the real or personal property during the pendency of an action described in subparagraph 1., other than a party to the proceeding or the legal successor by operation of law, or personal representative, heir, or devisee of a deceased party to the proceeding, shall take such interest exempt from all claims against the property that were filed in such action by the party who failed to record a notice of lis pendens or whose notice expired or was withdrawn or discharged, and from any judgment entered in the proceeding, notwithstanding the provisions of s. 695.01<http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=48.23&URL=0600-0699/0695/Sections/0695.01.html>, as if such person had no actual or constructive notice of the proceeding or of the claims made therein or the documents forming the causes of action against the property in the proceeding. (c)1. A notice of lis pendens must contain the following: a. The names of the parties. b. The date of the institution of the action, the date of the clerk’s electronic receipt, or the case number of the action. c. The name of the court in which it is pending. d. A description of the property involved or to be affected. e. A statement of the relief sought as to the property. Sincerely yours, Randall Gilbert, Esq. Board Certified Construction Lawyer -----Original Message----- From: Tim Atkinson [mailto:TAtkinson@ohfc.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 7:42 PM To: rgilbert <rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com> Cc: Roberts, Hardy L.; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration What if a lis pendins is filed? Timothy P. Atkinson 850-544-5304 On May 21, 2014, at 7:36 PM, "Randall Gilbert" <rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com<mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com<mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com%3cmailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com>>> wrote: If someone wanted to buy the property and looked in the public records and saw no suit was brought to enforce the lien within one year they would think the property is clean. Filing a foreclosure of a construction lien in an arbitration is not public notice. Therefore, the right step to take is to file the foreclosure claim in court and simultaneously move to stay pending arbitration. Sincerely yours, Randall Gilbert, Esq. Board Certified Construction Lawyer <image002.jpg> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Roberts, Hardy L. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:22 PM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> Subject: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration Florida’s Second District Court of Appeal issued the attached decision this morning in Snell v. Mott’s Contracting Services, Inc., regarding construction claims of lien and arbitration proceedings. The court held that Section 713.21(1) requires that an “action to enforce a construction lien must be brought ‘in a court of competent jurisdiction’ within one year of recording the claim of lien or it automatically extinguishes” and that an arbitration proceeding is not a “court.” The court also held that the “the lien became unenforceable pursuant to section 713.22 prior to the issuance of the [arbitration] award” due to the contractor’s failure to file an enforcement action in court. Much thanks to Matt Belcastro for bringing this decision to the attention of the Construction Law Committee. <image003.png> Hardy L. Roberts Attorney at Law Board Certified by the Florida Bar in Construction Law 4221 W. Boy Scout Blvd., Ste. 1000 Tampa, Florida 33607-5780 Direct: 813.229.4105 | Fax: 813.229.4133 HRoberts@cfjblaw.com<mailto:HRoberts@cfjblaw.com<mailto:HRoberts@cfjblaw.com%3cmailto:HRoberts@cfjblaw.com>> | www.CFJBLaw.com<http://www.cfjblaw.com/<http://www.CFJBLaw.com%3chttp:/www.cfjblaw.com/>> bio<http://www.cfjblaw.com/hroberts/> | vcard<http://www.cfjblaw.com/FCWSite/Features/_Attorneys/vCard.aspx?attorney=176> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=249761797&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile> Confidential: This e-mail contains a communication protected by the attorney-client privilege or constitutes work product. 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Tim Atkinson

Wed, May 21, 2014 11:41 PM

What if a lis pendins is filed?

Timothy P. Atkinson
850-544-5304

On May 21, 2014, at 7:36 PM, "Randall Gilbert" <rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com> wrote:

If someone wanted to buy the property and looked in the public records and saw no suit was brought to enforce the lien within one year they would think the property is clean.
Filing a foreclosure of a construction lien in an arbitration is not public notice.
Therefore, the right step to take is to file the foreclosure claim in court and simultaneously move to stay pending arbitration.

Sincerely yours,
Randall Gilbert, Esq.
Board Certified Construction Lawyer

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From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Roberts, Hardy L.
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:22 PM
To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration

Florida’s Second District Court of Appeal issued the attached decision this morning in Snell v. Mott’s Contracting Services, Inc., regarding construction claims of lien and arbitration proceedings. The court held that Section 713.21(1) requires that an “action to enforce a construction lien must be brought ‘in a court of competent jurisdiction’ within one year of recording the claim of lien or it automatically extinguishes” and that an arbitration proceeding is not a “court.” The court also held that the “the lien became unenforceable pursuant to section 713.22 prior to the issuance of the [arbitration] award” due to the contractor’s failure to file an enforcement action in court.

Much thanks to Matt Belcastro for bringing this decision to the attention of the Construction Law Committee.

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Hardy L. Roberts
Attorney at Law
Board Certified by the Florida Bar in Construction Law
4221 W. Boy Scout Blvd., Ste. 1000
Tampa, Florida 33607-5780
Direct: 813.229.4105 | Fax: 813.229.4133

HRoberts@cfjblaw.com mailto:HRoberts@cfjblaw.com | www.CFJBLaw.com http://www.cfjblaw.com/
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What if a lis pendins is filed? Timothy P. Atkinson 850-544-5304 On May 21, 2014, at 7:36 PM, "Randall Gilbert" <rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com<mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com>> wrote: If someone wanted to buy the property and looked in the public records and saw no suit was brought to enforce the lien within one year they would think the property is clean. Filing a foreclosure of a construction lien in an arbitration is not public notice. Therefore, the right step to take is to file the foreclosure claim in court and simultaneously move to stay pending arbitration. Sincerely yours, Randall Gilbert, Esq. Board Certified Construction Lawyer <image002.jpg> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Roberts, Hardy L. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:22 PM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration Florida’s Second District Court of Appeal issued the attached decision this morning in Snell v. Mott’s Contracting Services, Inc., regarding construction claims of lien and arbitration proceedings. The court held that Section 713.21(1) requires that an “action to enforce a construction lien must be brought ‘in a court of competent jurisdiction’ within one year of recording the claim of lien or it automatically extinguishes” and that an arbitration proceeding is not a “court.” The court also held that the “the lien became unenforceable pursuant to section 713.22 prior to the issuance of the [arbitration] award” due to the contractor’s failure to file an enforcement action in court. Much thanks to Matt Belcastro for bringing this decision to the attention of the Construction Law Committee. <image003.png> Hardy L. Roberts Attorney at Law Board Certified by the Florida Bar in Construction Law 4221 W. Boy Scout Blvd., Ste. 1000 Tampa, Florida 33607-5780 Direct: 813.229.4105 | Fax: 813.229.4133 HRoberts@cfjblaw.com<mailto:HRoberts@cfjblaw.com> | www.CFJBLaw.com<http://www.cfjblaw.com/> bio<http://www.cfjblaw.com/hroberts/> | vcard<http://www.cfjblaw.com/FCWSite/Features/_Attorneys/vCard.aspx?attorney=176> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=249761797&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile> Confidential: This e-mail contains a communication protected by the attorney-client privilege or constitutes work product. If you do not expect such a communication please delete this message without reading it or any attachment and then notify the sender of this inadvertent delivery. _______________________________________________ CLC-Discussion mailing list CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussion

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Fred Dudley

Thu, May 22, 2014 12:04 AM

I'm not sure you can file a LP without a suit in this case.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Tim Atkinson
Date:05/21/2014 7:50 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Randall Gilbert
Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration

What if a lis pendins is filed?

Timothy P. Atkinson
850-544-5304

On May 21, 2014, at 7:36 PM, "Randall Gilbert" <rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com> wrote:

If someone wanted to buy the property and looked in the public records and saw no suit was brought to enforce the lien within one year they would think the property is clean.
Filing a foreclosure of a construction lien in an arbitration is not public notice.
Therefore, the right step to take is to file the foreclosure claim in court and simultaneously move to stay pending arbitration.

Sincerely yours,
Randall Gilbert, Esq.
Board Certified Construction Lawyer

<image002.jpg>

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Roberts, Hardy L.
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:22 PM
To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration

Florida’s Second District Court of Appeal issued the attached decision this morning in Snell v. Mott’s Contracting Services, Inc., regarding construction claims of lien and arbitration proceedings. The court held that Section 713.21(1) requires that an “action to enforce a construction lien must be brought ‘in a court of competent jurisdiction’ within one year of recording the claim of lien or it automatically extinguishes” and that an arbitration proceeding is not a “court.” The court also held that the “the lien became unenforceable pursuant to section 713.22 prior to the issuance of the [arbitration] award” due to the contractor’s failure to file an enforcement action in court.

Much thanks to Matt Belcastro for bringing this decision to the attention of the Construction Law Committee.

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Hardy L. Roberts
Attorney at Law
Board Certified by the Florida Bar in Construction Law
4221 W. Boy Scout Blvd., Ste. 1000
Tampa, Florida 33607-5780
Direct: 813.229.4105 | Fax: 813.229.4133

HRoberts@cfjblaw.com mailto:HRoberts@cfjblaw.com | www.CFJBLaw.com http://www.cfjblaw.com/
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I'm not sure you can file a LP without a suit in this case. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Tim Atkinson Date:05/21/2014 7:50 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Randall Gilbert Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration What if a lis pendins is filed? Timothy P. Atkinson 850-544-5304 On May 21, 2014, at 7:36 PM, "Randall Gilbert" <rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com<mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com>> wrote: If someone wanted to buy the property and looked in the public records and saw no suit was brought to enforce the lien within one year they would think the property is clean. Filing a foreclosure of a construction lien in an arbitration is not public notice. Therefore, the right step to take is to file the foreclosure claim in court and simultaneously move to stay pending arbitration. Sincerely yours, Randall Gilbert, Esq. Board Certified Construction Lawyer <image002.jpg> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Roberts, Hardy L. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:22 PM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration Florida’s Second District Court of Appeal issued the attached decision this morning in Snell v. Mott’s Contracting Services, Inc., regarding construction claims of lien and arbitration proceedings. The court held that Section 713.21(1) requires that an “action to enforce a construction lien must be brought ‘in a court of competent jurisdiction’ within one year of recording the claim of lien or it automatically extinguishes” and that an arbitration proceeding is not a “court.” The court also held that the “the lien became unenforceable pursuant to section 713.22 prior to the issuance of the [arbitration] award” due to the contractor’s failure to file an enforcement action in court. Much thanks to Matt Belcastro for bringing this decision to the attention of the Construction Law Committee. <image003.png> Hardy L. Roberts Attorney at Law Board Certified by the Florida Bar in Construction Law 4221 W. Boy Scout Blvd., Ste. 1000 Tampa, Florida 33607-5780 Direct: 813.229.4105 | Fax: 813.229.4133 HRoberts@cfjblaw.com<mailto:HRoberts@cfjblaw.com> | www.CFJBLaw.com<http://www.cfjblaw.com/> bio<http://www.cfjblaw.com/hroberts/> | vcard<http://www.cfjblaw.com/FCWSite/Features/_Attorneys/vCard.aspx?attorney=176> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=249761797&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile> Confidential: This e-mail contains a communication protected by the attorney-client privilege or constitutes work product. If you do not expect such a communication please delete this message without reading it or any attachment and then notify the sender of this inadvertent delivery. _______________________________________________ CLC-Discussion mailing list CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussion _______________________________________________ CLC-Discussion mailing list CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussion

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Neal Sivyer

Thu, May 22, 2014 11:43 AM

You cannot. An arbitration is not filed in Court, obviously.
The proper procedure is to file a suit and ask for a stay, as previously stated. You can pray for that relief right in the complaint.

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Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration

I'm not sure you can file a LP without a suit in this case.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

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Date:05/21/2014 7:50 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Randall Gilbert
Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration
What if a lis pendins is filed?

Timothy P. Atkinson
850-544-5304

On May 21, 2014, at 7:36 PM, "Randall Gilbert" <rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com<mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com%3cmailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com>> wrote:

If someone wanted to buy the property and looked in the public records and saw no suit was brought to enforce the lien within one year they would think the property is clean.
Filing a foreclosure of a construction lien in an arbitration is not public notice.
Therefore, the right step to take is to file the foreclosure claim in court and simultaneously move to stay pending arbitration.

Sincerely yours,
Randall Gilbert, Esq.
Board Certified Construction Lawyer

<image002.jpg>

Florida's Second District Court of Appeal issued the attached decision this morning in Snell v. Mott's Contracting Services, Inc., regarding construction claims of lien and arbitration proceedings. The court held that Section 713.21(1) requires that an "action to enforce a construction lien must be brought 'in a court of competent jurisdiction' within one year of recording the claim of lien or it automatically extinguishes" and that an arbitration proceeding is not a "court." The court also held that the "the lien became unenforceable pursuant to section 713.22 prior to the issuance of the [arbitration] award" due to the contractor's failure to file an enforcement action in court.

Much thanks to Matt Belcastro for bringing this decision to the attention of the Construction Law Committee.

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You cannot. An arbitration is not filed in Court, obviously. The proper procedure is to file a suit and ask for a stay, as previously stated. You can pray for that relief right in the complaint. Neal A. Sivyer Sivyer Barlow & Watson, P.A. Suntrust Financial Center 401 E. Jackson St. Suite 2225 Tampa, FL 33602 (p) 813-221-4242 (f) 813-227-8598 Confidentiality Notice:The information contained in this e-mail message is intended for use of the recipient listed above. The message may contain information that is protected by the attorney/client or other legal privilege. Any unauthorized use is strictly prohibited. From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Fred Dudley Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:04 PM To: Tim Atkinson; Randall Gilbert Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration I'm not sure you can file a LP without a suit in this case. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Tim Atkinson Date:05/21/2014 7:50 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Randall Gilbert Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration What if a lis pendins is filed? Timothy P. Atkinson 850-544-5304 On May 21, 2014, at 7:36 PM, "Randall Gilbert" <rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com<mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com<mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com%3cmailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com>>> wrote: If someone wanted to buy the property and looked in the public records and saw no suit was brought to enforce the lien within one year they would think the property is clean. Filing a foreclosure of a construction lien in an arbitration is not public notice. Therefore, the right step to take is to file the foreclosure claim in court and simultaneously move to stay pending arbitration. Sincerely yours, Randall Gilbert, Esq. Board Certified Construction Lawyer <image002.jpg> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Roberts, Hardy L. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:22 PM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> Subject: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration Florida's Second District Court of Appeal issued the attached decision this morning in Snell v. Mott's Contracting Services, Inc., regarding construction claims of lien and arbitration proceedings. The court held that Section 713.21(1) requires that an "action to enforce a construction lien must be brought 'in a court of competent jurisdiction' within one year of recording the claim of lien or it automatically extinguishes" and that an arbitration proceeding is not a "court." The court also held that the "the lien became unenforceable pursuant to section 713.22 prior to the issuance of the [arbitration] award" due to the contractor's failure to file an enforcement action in court. Much thanks to Matt Belcastro for bringing this decision to the attention of the Construction Law Committee. <image003.png> Hardy L. Roberts Attorney at Law Board Certified by the Florida Bar in Construction Law 4221 W. Boy Scout Blvd., Ste. 1000 Tampa, Florida 33607-5780 Direct: 813.229.4105 | Fax: 813.229.4133 HRoberts@cfjblaw.com<mailto:HRoberts@cfjblaw.com<mailto:HRoberts@cfjblaw.com%3cmailto:HRoberts@cfjblaw.com>> | www.CFJBLaw.com<http://www.cfjblaw.com/> bio<http://www.cfjblaw.com/hroberts/> | vcard<http://www.cfjblaw.com/FCWSite/Features/_Attorneys/vCard.aspx?attorney=176> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=249761797&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile> Confidential: This e-mail contains a communication protected by the attorney-client privilege or constitutes work product. If you do not expect such a communication please delete this message without reading it or any attachment and then notify the sender of this inadvertent delivery. _______________________________________________ CLC-Discussion mailing list CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussion _______________________________________________ CLC-Discussion mailing list CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussion

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Whelan, Ed

Thu, May 22, 2014 11:58 AM

You can file a notice of a pending action but if there is no pending action it's meaningless

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On May 22, 2014, at 7:53 AM, "Neal Sivyer" <NSivyer@sbwlegal.com mailto:NSivyer@sbwlegal.com> wrote:

You cannot. An arbitration is not filed in Court, obviously.
The proper procedure is to file a suit and ask for a stay, as previously stated. You can pray for that relief right in the complaint.

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From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Fred Dudley
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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration

I'm not sure you can file a LP without a suit in this case.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Tim Atkinson
Date:05/21/2014 7:50 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Randall Gilbert
Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration
What if a lis pendins is filed?

Timothy P. Atkinson
850-544-5304

On May 21, 2014, at 7:36 PM, "Randall Gilbert" <rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com<mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com%3cmailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com>> wrote:

If someone wanted to buy the property and looked in the public records and saw no suit was brought to enforce the lien within one year they would think the property is clean.
Filing a foreclosure of a construction lien in an arbitration is not public notice.
Therefore, the right step to take is to file the foreclosure claim in court and simultaneously move to stay pending arbitration.

Sincerely yours,
Randall Gilbert, Esq.
Board Certified Construction Lawyer

<image002.jpg>

Florida’s Second District Court of Appeal issued the attached decision this morning in Snell v. Mott’s Contracting Services, Inc., regarding construction claims of lien and arbitration proceedings. The court held that Section 713.21(1) requires that an “action to enforce a construction lien must be brought ‘in a court of competent jurisdiction’ within one year of recording the claim of lien or it automatically extinguishes” and that an arbitration proceeding is not a “court.” The court also held that the “the lien became unenforceable pursuant to section 713.22 prior to the issuance of the [arbitration] award” due to the contractor’s failure to file an enforcement action in court.

Much thanks to Matt Belcastro for bringing this decision to the attention of the Construction Law Committee.

<image003.png>
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You can file a notice of a pending action but if there is no pending action it's meaningless Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2014, at 7:53 AM, "Neal Sivyer" <NSivyer@sbwlegal.com<mailto:NSivyer@sbwlegal.com>> wrote: You cannot. An arbitration is not filed in Court, obviously. The proper procedure is to file a suit and ask for a stay, as previously stated. You can pray for that relief right in the complaint. Neal A. Sivyer Sivyer Barlow & Watson, P.A. Suntrust Financial Center 401 E. Jackson St. Suite 2225 Tampa, FL 33602 (p) 813-221-4242 (f) 813-227-8598 Confidentiality Notice:The information contained in this e-mail message is intended for use of the recipient listed above. The message may contain information that is protected by the attorney/client or other legal privilege. Any unauthorized use is strictly prohibited. From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Fred Dudley Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:04 PM To: Tim Atkinson; Randall Gilbert Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration I'm not sure you can file a LP without a suit in this case. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Tim Atkinson Date:05/21/2014 7:50 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Randall Gilbert Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration What if a lis pendins is filed? Timothy P. Atkinson 850-544-5304 On May 21, 2014, at 7:36 PM, "Randall Gilbert" <rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com<mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com<mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com%3cmailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com>>> wrote: If someone wanted to buy the property and looked in the public records and saw no suit was brought to enforce the lien within one year they would think the property is clean. Filing a foreclosure of a construction lien in an arbitration is not public notice. Therefore, the right step to take is to file the foreclosure claim in court and simultaneously move to stay pending arbitration. Sincerely yours, Randall Gilbert, Esq. Board Certified Construction Lawyer <image002.jpg> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Roberts, Hardy L. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:22 PM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> Subject: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration Florida’s Second District Court of Appeal issued the attached decision this morning in Snell v. Mott’s Contracting Services, Inc., regarding construction claims of lien and arbitration proceedings. The court held that Section 713.21(1) requires that an “action to enforce a construction lien must be brought ‘in a court of competent jurisdiction’ within one year of recording the claim of lien or it automatically extinguishes” and that an arbitration proceeding is not a “court.” The court also held that the “the lien became unenforceable pursuant to section 713.22 prior to the issuance of the [arbitration] award” due to the contractor’s failure to file an enforcement action in court. Much thanks to Matt Belcastro for bringing this decision to the attention of the Construction Law Committee. <image003.png> Hardy L. Roberts Attorney at Law Board Certified by the Florida Bar in Construction Law 4221 W. 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Thu, May 22, 2014 12:07 PM

Perhaps not only “meaningless, “ but possibly countered by a slander of title action, with potential damages for losses due to a pending sale or re-financing.

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From: Whelan, Ed [mailto:EWhelan@gunster.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 7:59 AM
To: Neal Sivyer
Cc: Fred Dudley; Tim Atkinson; Randall Gilbert; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration

You can file a notice of a pending action but if there is no pending action it's meaningless

Sent from my iPhone

On May 22, 2014, at 7:53 AM, "Neal Sivyer" <NSivyer@sbwlegal.com mailto:NSivyer@sbwlegal.com> wrote:
You cannot. An arbitration is not filed in Court, obviously.
The proper procedure is to file a suit and ask for a stay, as previously stated. You can pray for that relief right in the complaint.

Neal A. Sivyer
Sivyer Barlow & Watson, P.A.
Suntrust Financial Center
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Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration

I'm not sure you can file a LP without a suit in this case.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Tim Atkinson
Date:05/21/2014 7:50 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Randall Gilbert
Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration
What if a lis pendins is filed?

Timothy P. Atkinson
850-544-5304

On May 21, 2014, at 7:36 PM, "Randall Gilbert" <rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com<mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com%3cmailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com>> wrote:

If someone wanted to buy the property and looked in the public records and saw no suit was brought to enforce the lien within one year they would think the property is clean.
Filing a foreclosure of a construction lien in an arbitration is not public notice.
Therefore, the right step to take is to file the foreclosure claim in court and simultaneously move to stay pending arbitration.

Sincerely yours,
Randall Gilbert, Esq.
Board Certified Construction Lawyer

<image002.jpg>

Florida’s Second District Court of Appeal issued the attached decision this morning in Snell v. Mott’s Contracting Services, Inc., regarding construction claims of lien and arbitration proceedings. The court held that Section 713.21(1) requires that an “action to enforce a construction lien must be brought ‘in a court of competent jurisdiction’ within one year of recording the claim of lien or it automatically extinguishes” and that an arbitration proceeding is not a “court.” The court also held that the “the lien became unenforceable pursuant to section 713.22 prior to the issuance of the [arbitration] award” due to the contractor’s failure to file an enforcement action in court.

Much thanks to Matt Belcastro for bringing this decision to the attention of the Construction Law Committee.

<image003.png>
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Tampa, Florida 33607-5780
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Perhaps not only “meaningless, “ but possibly countered by a slander of title action, with potential damages for losses due to a pending sale or re-financing. Fred R. Dudley, Partner Board Certified Construction Lawyer Dudley, Sellers & Healy, P. L. SunTrust Financial Center, Suite 301 3522 Thomasville Road Tallahassee, Florida 32308 Cell: (850) 294-3471 Direct: (850)692-6368 dudley@mylicenselaw.com From: Whelan, Ed [mailto:EWhelan@gunster.com] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 7:59 AM To: Neal Sivyer Cc: Fred Dudley; Tim Atkinson; Randall Gilbert; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration You can file a notice of a pending action but if there is no pending action it's meaningless Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2014, at 7:53 AM, "Neal Sivyer" <NSivyer@sbwlegal.com<mailto:NSivyer@sbwlegal.com>> wrote: You cannot. An arbitration is not filed in Court, obviously. The proper procedure is to file a suit and ask for a stay, as previously stated. You can pray for that relief right in the complaint. Neal A. Sivyer Sivyer Barlow & Watson, P.A. Suntrust Financial Center 401 E. Jackson St. Suite 2225 Tampa, FL 33602 (p) 813-221-4242 (f) 813-227-8598 Confidentiality Notice:The information contained in this e-mail message is intended for use of the recipient listed above. The message may contain information that is protected by the attorney/client or other legal privilege. Any unauthorized use is strictly prohibited. From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Fred Dudley Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:04 PM To: Tim Atkinson; Randall Gilbert Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration I'm not sure you can file a LP without a suit in this case. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Tim Atkinson Date:05/21/2014 7:50 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Randall Gilbert Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration What if a lis pendins is filed? Timothy P. Atkinson 850-544-5304 On May 21, 2014, at 7:36 PM, "Randall Gilbert" <rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com<mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com<mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com%3cmailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com>>> wrote: If someone wanted to buy the property and looked in the public records and saw no suit was brought to enforce the lien within one year they would think the property is clean. Filing a foreclosure of a construction lien in an arbitration is not public notice. Therefore, the right step to take is to file the foreclosure claim in court and simultaneously move to stay pending arbitration. Sincerely yours, Randall Gilbert, Esq. Board Certified Construction Lawyer <image002.jpg> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Roberts, Hardy L. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:22 PM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> Subject: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration Florida’s Second District Court of Appeal issued the attached decision this morning in Snell v. Mott’s Contracting Services, Inc., regarding construction claims of lien and arbitration proceedings. The court held that Section 713.21(1) requires that an “action to enforce a construction lien must be brought ‘in a court of competent jurisdiction’ within one year of recording the claim of lien or it automatically extinguishes” and that an arbitration proceeding is not a “court.” The court also held that the “the lien became unenforceable pursuant to section 713.22 prior to the issuance of the [arbitration] award” due to the contractor’s failure to file an enforcement action in court. Much thanks to Matt Belcastro for bringing this decision to the attention of the Construction Law Committee. <image003.png> Hardy L. Roberts Attorney at Law Board Certified by the Florida Bar in Construction Law 4221 W. 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Whelan, Ed

Thu, May 22, 2014 12:09 PM

Correct fred -- meaningless for purpose intended -- not meaningless for potentially separate action

Sent from my iPhone

On May 22, 2014, at 8:07 AM, "Fred Dudley" <dudley@mylicenselaw.com mailto:dudley@mylicenselaw.com> wrote:

Perhaps not only “meaningless, “ but possibly countered by a slander of title action, with potential damages for losses due to a pending sale or re-financing.

Fred R. Dudley, Partner
Board Certified Construction Lawyer
Dudley, Sellers & Healy, P. L.
SunTrust Financial Center, Suite 301
3522 Thomasville Road
Tallahassee, Florida 32308
Cell: (850) 294-3471
Direct: (850)692-6368
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From: Whelan, Ed [mailto:EWhelan@gunster.com]
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To: Neal Sivyer
Cc: Fred Dudley; Tim Atkinson; Randall Gilbert; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration

You can file a notice of a pending action but if there is no pending action it's meaningless

Sent from my iPhone

On May 22, 2014, at 7:53 AM, "Neal Sivyer" <NSivyer@sbwlegal.com mailto:NSivyer@sbwlegal.com> wrote:
You cannot. An arbitration is not filed in Court, obviously.
The proper procedure is to file a suit and ask for a stay, as previously stated. You can pray for that relief right in the complaint.

Neal A. Sivyer
Sivyer Barlow & Watson, P.A.
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Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration

I'm not sure you can file a LP without a suit in this case.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration
What if a lis pendins is filed?

Timothy P. Atkinson
850-544-5304

On May 21, 2014, at 7:36 PM, "Randall Gilbert" <rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com<mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com%3cmailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com>> wrote:

If someone wanted to buy the property and looked in the public records and saw no suit was brought to enforce the lien within one year they would think the property is clean.
Filing a foreclosure of a construction lien in an arbitration is not public notice.
Therefore, the right step to take is to file the foreclosure claim in court and simultaneously move to stay pending arbitration.

Sincerely yours,
Randall Gilbert, Esq.
Board Certified Construction Lawyer

<image002.jpg>

Florida’s Second District Court of Appeal issued the attached decision this morning in Snell v. Mott’s Contracting Services, Inc., regarding construction claims of lien and arbitration proceedings. The court held that Section 713.21(1) requires that an “action to enforce a construction lien must be brought ‘in a court of competent jurisdiction’ within one year of recording the claim of lien or it automatically extinguishes” and that an arbitration proceeding is not a “court.” The court also held that the “the lien became unenforceable pursuant to section 713.22 prior to the issuance of the [arbitration] award” due to the contractor’s failure to file an enforcement action in court.

Much thanks to Matt Belcastro for bringing this decision to the attention of the Construction Law Committee.

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Correct fred -- meaningless for purpose intended -- not meaningless for potentially separate action Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2014, at 8:07 AM, "Fred Dudley" <dudley@mylicenselaw.com<mailto:dudley@mylicenselaw.com>> wrote: Perhaps not only “meaningless, “ but possibly countered by a slander of title action, with potential damages for losses due to a pending sale or re-financing. Fred R. Dudley, Partner Board Certified Construction Lawyer Dudley, Sellers & Healy, P. L. SunTrust Financial Center, Suite 301 3522 Thomasville Road Tallahassee, Florida 32308 Cell: (850) 294-3471 Direct: (850)692-6368 dudley@mylicenselaw.com<mailto:dudley@mylicenselaw.com> From: Whelan, Ed [mailto:EWhelan@gunster.com] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 7:59 AM To: Neal Sivyer Cc: Fred Dudley; Tim Atkinson; Randall Gilbert; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration You can file a notice of a pending action but if there is no pending action it's meaningless Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2014, at 7:53 AM, "Neal Sivyer" <NSivyer@sbwlegal.com<mailto:NSivyer@sbwlegal.com>> wrote: You cannot. An arbitration is not filed in Court, obviously. The proper procedure is to file a suit and ask for a stay, as previously stated. You can pray for that relief right in the complaint. Neal A. Sivyer Sivyer Barlow & Watson, P.A. Suntrust Financial Center 401 E. 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Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Tim Atkinson Date:05/21/2014 7:50 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Randall Gilbert Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration What if a lis pendins is filed? Timothy P. Atkinson 850-544-5304 On May 21, 2014, at 7:36 PM, "Randall Gilbert" <rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com<mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com<mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com%3cmailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com>>> wrote: If someone wanted to buy the property and looked in the public records and saw no suit was brought to enforce the lien within one year they would think the property is clean. Filing a foreclosure of a construction lien in an arbitration is not public notice. Therefore, the right step to take is to file the foreclosure claim in court and simultaneously move to stay pending arbitration. Sincerely yours, Randall Gilbert, Esq. Board Certified Construction Lawyer <image002.jpg> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Roberts, Hardy L. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:22 PM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> Subject: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration Florida’s Second District Court of Appeal issued the attached decision this morning in Snell v. Mott’s Contracting Services, Inc., regarding construction claims of lien and arbitration proceedings. The court held that Section 713.21(1) requires that an “action to enforce a construction lien must be brought ‘in a court of competent jurisdiction’ within one year of recording the claim of lien or it automatically extinguishes” and that an arbitration proceeding is not a “court.” The court also held that the “the lien became unenforceable pursuant to section 713.22 prior to the issuance of the [arbitration] award” due to the contractor’s failure to file an enforcement action in court. Much thanks to Matt Belcastro for bringing this decision to the attention of the Construction Law Committee. <image003.png> Hardy L. Roberts Attorney at Law Board Certified by the Florida Bar in Construction Law 4221 W. 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Robert Doan

Thu, May 22, 2014 12:41 PM

I emailed Hardy and Scott Pence yesterday regarding whether this would
be a good topic to have the legislative subcommittee take a look at for
possibly creating/supporting a clarification/codification statute.

I've had this issue come up several times and have had judges and
opposing counsel "get it" and allow a filing with an immediate stay and
I've had lawyers fight and judges that didn't want stayed cases on their
docket so they said we had to choose arbitration or litigation at the
outset. I believe Scott is out this week but I am sure we will get
something going on it soon.

In my humble opinion, this is not an issue that should have to be
litigated or even discussed every time someone seeks to arbitrate a
claim involving a lien or bond claim.

Robert E. Doan
County Attorney's Office
123 West Indiana Avenue, Ste. 301
DeLand, Florida 32720-4613
Telephone: (386) 736-5950
Fax: (386) 736-5990
Email: rdoan@volusia.org

Fred Dudley dudley@mylicenselaw.com 5/22/2014 8:07 AM >>>

Perhaps not only “meaningless, “ but possibly countered by a
slander of title action, with potential damages for losses due to a
pending sale or re-financing.

Fred R. Dudley, Partner
Board Certified Construction Lawyer
Dudley, Sellers & Healy, P. L.
SunTrust Financial Center, Suite 301
3522 Thomasville Road
Tallahassee, Florida 32308
Cell: (850) 294-3471
Direct: (850)692-6368
dudley@mylicenselaw.com

From: Whelan, Ed [mailto:EWhelan@gunster.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 7:59 AM
To: Neal Sivyer
Cc: Fred Dudley; Tim Atkinson; Randall Gilbert;
clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the
dangers of arbitration

You can file a notice of a pending action but if there is no pending
action it's meaningless

Sent from my iPhone

On May 22, 2014, at 7:53 AM, "Neal Sivyer"
<NSivyer@sbwlegal.com mailto:NSivyer@sbwlegal.com> wrote:
You cannot. An arbitration is not filed in Court, obviously.
The proper procedure is to file a suit and ask for a stay, as
previously stated. You can pray for that relief right in the
complaint.

Neal A. Sivyer
Sivyer Barlow & Watson, P.A.
Suntrust Financial Center
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Suite 2225
Tampa, FL 33602
(p) 813-221-4242
(f) 813-227-8598

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Dudley
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Cc:
clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
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dangers of arbitration

I'm not sure you can file a LP without a suit in this case.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Tim Atkinson
Date:05/21/2014 7:50 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Randall Gilbert
Cc:
clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the
dangers of arbitration
What if a lis pendins is filed?

Timothy P. Atkinson
850-544-5304

On May 21, 2014, at 7:36 PM, "Randall Gilbert"
<rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com<mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com%3cmailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com>>
wrote:

If someone wanted to buy the property and looked in the public records
and saw no suit was brought to enforce the lien within one year they
would think the property is clean.
Filing a foreclosure of a construction lien in an arbitration is not
public notice.
Therefore, the right step to take is to file the foreclosure claim in
court and simultaneously move to stay pending arbitration.

Sincerely yours,
Randall Gilbert, Esq.
Board Certified Construction Lawyer

<image002.jpg>

Florida’s Second District Court of Appeal issued the attached
decision this morning in Snell v. Mott’s Contracting Services, Inc.,
regarding construction claims of lien and arbitration proceedings. The
court held that Section 713.21(1) requires that an “action to enforce
a construction lien must be brought ‘in a court of competent
jurisdiction’ within one year of recording the claim of lien or it
automatically extinguishes” and that an arbitration proceeding is not
a “court.” The court also held that the “the lien became
unenforceable pursuant to section 713.22 prior to the issuance of the
[arbitration] award” due to the contractor’s failure to file an
enforcement action in court.

Much thanks to Matt Belcastro for bringing this decision to the
attention of the Construction Law Committee.

<image003.png>
Hardy L. Roberts
Attorney at Law
Board Certified by the Florida Bar in Construction Law
4221 W. Boy Scout Blvd., Ste. 1000
Tampa, Florida 33607-5780
Direct: 813.229.4105 | Fax: 813.229.4133

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I emailed Hardy and Scott Pence yesterday regarding whether this would be a good topic to have the legislative subcommittee take a look at for possibly creating/supporting a clarification/codification statute. I've had this issue come up several times and have had judges and opposing counsel "get it" and allow a filing with an immediate stay and I've had lawyers fight and judges that didn't want stayed cases on their docket so they said we had to choose arbitration or litigation at the outset. I believe Scott is out this week but I am sure we will get something going on it soon. In my humble opinion, this is not an issue that should have to be litigated or even discussed every time someone seeks to arbitrate a claim involving a lien or bond claim. Robert E. Doan County Attorney's Office 123 West Indiana Avenue, Ste. 301 DeLand, Florida 32720-4613 Telephone: (386) 736-5950 Fax: (386) 736-5990 Email: rdoan@volusia.org >>> Fred Dudley <dudley@mylicenselaw.com> 5/22/2014 8:07 AM >>> Perhaps not only “meaningless, “ but possibly countered by a slander of title action, with potential damages for losses due to a pending sale or re-financing. Fred R. Dudley, Partner Board Certified Construction Lawyer Dudley, Sellers & Healy, P. L. SunTrust Financial Center, Suite 301 3522 Thomasville Road Tallahassee, Florida 32308 Cell: (850) 294-3471 Direct: (850)692-6368 dudley@mylicenselaw.com From: Whelan, Ed [mailto:EWhelan@gunster.com] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 7:59 AM To: Neal Sivyer Cc: Fred Dudley; Tim Atkinson; Randall Gilbert; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration You can file a notice of a pending action but if there is no pending action it's meaningless Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2014, at 7:53 AM, "Neal Sivyer" <NSivyer@sbwlegal.com<mailto:NSivyer@sbwlegal.com>> wrote: You cannot. An arbitration is not filed in Court, obviously. The proper procedure is to file a suit and ask for a stay, as previously stated. You can pray for that relief right in the complaint. Neal A. Sivyer Sivyer Barlow & Watson, P.A. Suntrust Financial Center 401 E. Jackson St. Suite 2225 Tampa, FL 33602 (p) 813-221-4242 (f) 813-227-8598 Confidentiality Notice:The information contained in this e-mail message is intended for use of the recipient listed above. The message may contain information that is protected by the attorney/client or other legal privilege. Any unauthorized use is strictly prohibited. From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Fred Dudley Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:04 PM To: Tim Atkinson; Randall Gilbert Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration I'm not sure you can file a LP without a suit in this case. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Tim Atkinson Date:05/21/2014 7:50 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Randall Gilbert Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration What if a lis pendins is filed? Timothy P. Atkinson 850-544-5304 On May 21, 2014, at 7:36 PM, "Randall Gilbert" <rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com<mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com<mailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com%3cmailto:rgilbert@theconstructionlawyers.com>>> wrote: If someone wanted to buy the property and looked in the public records and saw no suit was brought to enforce the lien within one year they would think the property is clean. Filing a foreclosure of a construction lien in an arbitration is not public notice. Therefore, the right step to take is to file the foreclosure claim in court and simultaneously move to stay pending arbitration. Sincerely yours, Randall Gilbert, Esq. Board Certified Construction Lawyer <image002.jpg> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Roberts, Hardy L. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:22 PM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org%3cmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> Subject: [CLC-Discussion] construction claims of lien and the dangers of arbitration Florida’s Second District Court of Appeal issued the attached decision this morning in Snell v. Mott’s Contracting Services, Inc., regarding construction claims of lien and arbitration proceedings. The court held that Section 713.21(1) requires that an “action to enforce a construction lien must be brought ‘in a court of competent jurisdiction’ within one year of recording the claim of lien or it automatically extinguishes” and that an arbitration proceeding is not a “court.” The court also held that the “the lien became unenforceable pursuant to section 713.22 prior to the issuance of the [arbitration] award” due to the contractor’s failure to file an enforcement action in court. Much thanks to Matt Belcastro for bringing this decision to the attention of the Construction Law Committee. <image003.png> Hardy L. Roberts Attorney at Law Board Certified by the Florida Bar in Construction Law 4221 W. 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