RG
Randall Gilbert
Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:32 PM
This guy may know something about the codes from way-back-then...
Noah's Ark in Today's Society...
The Lord speaks to Noah and says: "In one year, I am going to make it rain and cover the whole Earth with water until all is destroyed. But I want you to save the righteous people and two of every kind of living thing on the Earth. Therefore, I am commanding you to build an Ark."
In a flash of lightning, God delivered the specifications for an Ark.
Fearful and trembling, Noah took the plans and agreed to build the Ark.
"Remember," said the Lord, "You must complete the Ark and bring everything aboard in one year."
Exactly one year later, a fierce storm cloud formed and all the seas of the earth went into a tumult. The Lord saw Noah sitting in his front yard weeping.
"Noah." He shouted, "Where is the Ark?"
"Lord, please forgive me!" cried Noah. "I did my best but there were big problems. First, I had to get a permit for construction and your plans did not comply with the codes. I had to hire an engineering firm and redraw the plans.
Then I got into a fight with OSHA over whether or not the Ark needed a fire sprinkler system and floatation devices.
Then my neighbor objected, claiming I was violating zoning ordinances by building the Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the city planning commission.
I had problems getting enough wood for the Ark, because there was a ban on cutting trees to protect the Spotted Owl. I finally convinced the U.S. Forest Service that I needed the wood to save the owls.
However, the Fish and Wildlife Service won't let me catch any owls. So, no owls.
The carpenters formed a union and went out on strike. I had to negotiate a settlement with the National Labor Union. Now I have 16 carpenters on the Ark, but still no owls.
When I started rounding up the other animals, I got sued by an animal rights group. They objected to me only taking two of each kind aboard.
[cid:image001.gif@01CBDF49.1F2BC540]
Just when I got the suit dismissed, the EPA notified me that I could not complete the Ark without filing an environmental impact statement on your proposed flood. They didn't take very kindly to the idea that they had no jurisdiction over the conduct of the Creator of the universe.
Then the Army Corps of Engineer demanded a map of the proposed new flood plain. I sent them a globe.
Right now, I am trying to resolve a complaint filed with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission that I am practicing discrimination by not taking godless, unbelieving people aboard!
The IRS has seized all my assets, claiming that I'm building the Ark in preparation to flee the country to avoid paying taxes.
[cid:image002.gif@01CBDF49.1F2BC540]
I just got a notice from the State that I owe some kind of user tax and failed to register the Ark as a 'recreational water craft.'
Finally the ACLU got the courts to issue an injunction against further construction of the Ark, saying that since God is flooding the earth, it is a religious event and therefore unconstitutional.
I really don't think I can finish the Ark for another 5 or 6 years!" Noah wailed.
The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine and the seas began to calm. A rainbow arched across the sky.
[cid:image003.gif@01CBDF49.1F2BC540]
Noah looked up hopefully. "You mean you are not going to destroy the Earth, Lord?"
"No," said the Lord sadly. "The government already has!"
Sincerely yours,
Randall Gilbert, Esq.
Board Certified Construction Lawyer
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From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Richard A. Burt
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:26 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
Everyone,
I have a client who has owned an apartment building which has housed college students for over 20 years. Up to this year, the state conducted an annual inspection of the building and its units; each year the building and units passed inspection. Recently, the inspection function was transferred to the local fire department. The local fire inspector has cited the client for inadequate egress, stating that a door leading into a bedroom of a number of units must remain unlocked at all times. This would render these apartments non-rentable costing the client hundreds of thousands of dollars in income and drastically reducing the building's value. Despite pleas by the client and his architects and engineers, who have suggested a number of options to achieve the objective of the egress requirement, the fire department inspector will not budge.
Can anyone identify an expert in the area of fire codes in effect in 1969-1970 and currently?
Thanks.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
BURT & BURT
220 So. Ridgewood Avenue
Suite 200
Daytona Beach, Florida 32114
(386) 252-2090 (office)
(866) 240-7043 (facsimile)
dick@burt-burt.commailto:dick@burt-burt.com
www.burt-burt.comhttp://www.burt-burt.com/
This guy may know something about the codes from way-back-then...
Noah's Ark in Today's Society...
The Lord speaks to Noah and says: "In one year, I am going to make it rain and cover the whole Earth with water until all is destroyed. But I want you to save the righteous people and two of every kind of living thing on the Earth. Therefore, I am commanding you to build an Ark."
In a flash of lightning, God delivered the specifications for an Ark.
Fearful and trembling, Noah took the plans and agreed to build the Ark.
"Remember," said the Lord, "You must complete the Ark and bring everything aboard in one year."
Exactly one year later, a fierce storm cloud formed and all the seas of the earth went into a tumult. The Lord saw Noah sitting in his front yard weeping.
"Noah." He shouted, "Where is the Ark?"
"Lord, please forgive me!" cried Noah. "I did my best but there were big problems. First, I had to get a permit for construction and your plans did not comply with the codes. I had to hire an engineering firm and redraw the plans.
Then I got into a fight with OSHA over whether or not the Ark needed a fire sprinkler system and floatation devices.
Then my neighbor objected, claiming I was violating zoning ordinances by building the Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the city planning commission.
I had problems getting enough wood for the Ark, because there was a ban on cutting trees to protect the Spotted Owl. I finally convinced the U.S. Forest Service that I needed the wood to save the owls.
However, the Fish and Wildlife Service won't let me catch any owls. So, no owls.
The carpenters formed a union and went out on strike. I had to negotiate a settlement with the National Labor Union. Now I have 16 carpenters on the Ark, but still no owls.
When I started rounding up the other animals, I got sued by an animal rights group. They objected to me only taking two of each kind aboard.
[cid:image001.gif@01CBDF49.1F2BC540]
Just when I got the suit dismissed, the EPA notified me that I could not complete the Ark without filing an environmental impact statement on your proposed flood. They didn't take very kindly to the idea that they had no jurisdiction over the conduct of the Creator of the universe.
Then the Army Corps of Engineer demanded a map of the proposed new flood plain. I sent them a globe.
Right now, I am trying to resolve a complaint filed with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission that I am practicing discrimination by not taking godless, unbelieving people aboard!
The IRS has seized all my assets, claiming that I'm building the Ark in preparation to flee the country to avoid paying taxes.
[cid:image002.gif@01CBDF49.1F2BC540]
I just got a notice from the State that I owe some kind of user tax and failed to register the Ark as a 'recreational water craft.'
Finally the ACLU got the courts to issue an injunction against further construction of the Ark, saying that since God is flooding the earth, it is a religious event and therefore unconstitutional.
I really don't think I can finish the Ark for another 5 or 6 years!" Noah wailed.
The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine and the seas began to calm. A rainbow arched across the sky.
[cid:image003.gif@01CBDF49.1F2BC540]
Noah looked up hopefully. "You mean you are not going to destroy the Earth, Lord?"
"No," said the Lord sadly. "The government already has!"
Sincerely yours,
Randall Gilbert, Esq.
Board Certified Construction Lawyer
[cid:image004.jpg@01CBDF49.1F2BC540][cid:image005.gif@01CBDF49.1F2BC540]
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Richard A. Burt
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:26 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
Everyone,
I have a client who has owned an apartment building which has housed college students for over 20 years. Up to this year, the state conducted an annual inspection of the building and its units; each year the building and units passed inspection. Recently, the inspection function was transferred to the local fire department. The local fire inspector has cited the client for inadequate egress, stating that a door leading into a bedroom of a number of units must remain unlocked at all times. This would render these apartments non-rentable costing the client hundreds of thousands of dollars in income and drastically reducing the building's value. Despite pleas by the client and his architects and engineers, who have suggested a number of options to achieve the objective of the egress requirement, the fire department inspector will not budge.
Can anyone identify an expert in the area of fire codes in effect in 1969-1970 and currently?
Thanks.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
BURT & BURT
220 So. Ridgewood Avenue
Suite 200
Daytona Beach, Florida 32114
(386) 252-2090 (office)
(866) 240-7043 (facsimile)
dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.com>
www.burt-burt.com<http://www.burt-burt.com/>
RA
Richard A. Burt
Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:06 PM
Thanks, Randall.
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Randall Gilbert
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 5:32 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
This guy may know something about the codes from way-back-then...
Noah's Ark in Today's Society...
The Lord speaks to Noah and says: "In one year, I am going to make it rain and cover the whole Earth with water until all is destroyed. But I want you to save the righteous people and two of every kind of living thing on the Earth. Therefore, I am commanding you to build an Ark."
In a flash of lightning, God delivered the specifications for an Ark.
Fearful and trembling, Noah took the plans and agreed to build the Ark.
"Remember," said the Lord, "You must complete the Ark and bring everything aboard in one year."
Exactly one year later, a fierce storm cloud formed and all the seas of the earth went into a tumult. The Lord saw Noah sitting in his front yard weeping.
"Noah." He shouted, "Where is the Ark?"
"Lord, please forgive me!" cried Noah. "I did my best but there were big problems. First, I had to get a permit for construction and your plans did not comply with the codes. I had to hire an engineering firm and redraw the plans.
Then I got into a fight with OSHA over whether or not the Ark needed a fire sprinkler system and floatation devices.
Then my neighbor objected, claiming I was violating zoning ordinances by building the Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the city planning commission.
I had problems getting enough wood for the Ark, because there was a ban on cutting trees to protect the Spotted Owl. I finally convinced the U.S. Forest Service that I needed the wood to save the owls.
However, the Fish and Wildlife Service won't let me catch any owls. So, no owls.
The carpenters formed a union and went out on strike. I had to negotiate a settlement with the National Labor Union. Now I have 16 carpenters on the Ark, but still no owls.
When I started rounding up the other animals, I got sued by an animal rights group. They objected to me only taking two of each kind aboard.
[Noah's Ark]
Just when I got the suit dismissed, the EPA notified me that I could not complete the Ark without filing an environmental impact statement on your proposed flood. They didn't take very kindly to the idea that they had no jurisdiction over the conduct of the Creator of the universe.
Then the Army Corps of Engineer demanded a map of the proposed new flood plain. I sent them a globe.
Right now, I am trying to resolve a complaint filed with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission that I am practicing discrimination by not taking godless, unbelieving people aboard!
The IRS has seized all my assets, claiming that I'm building the Ark in preparation to flee the country to avoid paying taxes.
[Noah's Ark]
I just got a notice from the State that I owe some kind of user tax and failed to register the Ark as a 'recreational water craft.'
Finally the ACLU got the courts to issue an injunction against further construction of the Ark, saying that since God is flooding the earth, it is a religious event and therefore unconstitutional.
I really don't think I can finish the Ark for another 5 or 6 years!" Noah wailed.
The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine and the seas began to calm. A rainbow arched across the sky.
[Noah's Ark]
Noah looked up hopefully. "You mean you are not going to destroy the Earth, Lord?"
"No," said the Lord sadly. "The government already has!"
Sincerely yours,
Randall Gilbert, Esq.
Board Certified Construction Lawyer
[Randall-Gilbert][Construction-Law]
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Richard A. Burt
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:26 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
Everyone,
I have a client who has owned an apartment building which has housed college students for over 20 years. Up to this year, the state conducted an annual inspection of the building and its units; each year the building and units passed inspection. Recently, the inspection function was transferred to the local fire department. The local fire inspector has cited the client for inadequate egress, stating that a door leading into a bedroom of a number of units must remain unlocked at all times. This would render these apartments non-rentable costing the client hundreds of thousands of dollars in income and drastically reducing the building's value. Despite pleas by the client and his architects and engineers, who have suggested a number of options to achieve the objective of the egress requirement, the fire department inspector will not budge.
Can anyone identify an expert in the area of fire codes in effect in 1969-1970 and currently?
Thanks.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
BURT & BURT
220 So. Ridgewood Avenue
Suite 200
Daytona Beach, Florida 32114
(386) 252-2090 (office)
(866) 240-7043 (facsimile)
dick@burt-burt.commailto:dick@burt-burt.com
www.burt-burt.comhttp://www.burt-burt.com/
Thanks, Randall.
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Randall Gilbert
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 5:32 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
This guy may know something about the codes from way-back-then...
Noah's Ark in Today's Society...
The Lord speaks to Noah and says: "In one year, I am going to make it rain and cover the whole Earth with water until all is destroyed. But I want you to save the righteous people and two of every kind of living thing on the Earth. Therefore, I am commanding you to build an Ark."
In a flash of lightning, God delivered the specifications for an Ark.
Fearful and trembling, Noah took the plans and agreed to build the Ark.
"Remember," said the Lord, "You must complete the Ark and bring everything aboard in one year."
Exactly one year later, a fierce storm cloud formed and all the seas of the earth went into a tumult. The Lord saw Noah sitting in his front yard weeping.
"Noah." He shouted, "Where is the Ark?"
"Lord, please forgive me!" cried Noah. "I did my best but there were big problems. First, I had to get a permit for construction and your plans did not comply with the codes. I had to hire an engineering firm and redraw the plans.
Then I got into a fight with OSHA over whether or not the Ark needed a fire sprinkler system and floatation devices.
Then my neighbor objected, claiming I was violating zoning ordinances by building the Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the city planning commission.
I had problems getting enough wood for the Ark, because there was a ban on cutting trees to protect the Spotted Owl. I finally convinced the U.S. Forest Service that I needed the wood to save the owls.
However, the Fish and Wildlife Service won't let me catch any owls. So, no owls.
The carpenters formed a union and went out on strike. I had to negotiate a settlement with the National Labor Union. Now I have 16 carpenters on the Ark, but still no owls.
When I started rounding up the other animals, I got sued by an animal rights group. They objected to me only taking two of each kind aboard.
[Noah's Ark]
Just when I got the suit dismissed, the EPA notified me that I could not complete the Ark without filing an environmental impact statement on your proposed flood. They didn't take very kindly to the idea that they had no jurisdiction over the conduct of the Creator of the universe.
Then the Army Corps of Engineer demanded a map of the proposed new flood plain. I sent them a globe.
Right now, I am trying to resolve a complaint filed with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission that I am practicing discrimination by not taking godless, unbelieving people aboard!
The IRS has seized all my assets, claiming that I'm building the Ark in preparation to flee the country to avoid paying taxes.
[Noah's Ark]
I just got a notice from the State that I owe some kind of user tax and failed to register the Ark as a 'recreational water craft.'
Finally the ACLU got the courts to issue an injunction against further construction of the Ark, saying that since God is flooding the earth, it is a religious event and therefore unconstitutional.
I really don't think I can finish the Ark for another 5 or 6 years!" Noah wailed.
The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine and the seas began to calm. A rainbow arched across the sky.
[Noah's Ark]
Noah looked up hopefully. "You mean you are not going to destroy the Earth, Lord?"
"No," said the Lord sadly. "The government already has!"
Sincerely yours,
Randall Gilbert, Esq.
Board Certified Construction Lawyer
[Randall-Gilbert][Construction-Law]
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Richard A. Burt
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:26 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
Everyone,
I have a client who has owned an apartment building which has housed college students for over 20 years. Up to this year, the state conducted an annual inspection of the building and its units; each year the building and units passed inspection. Recently, the inspection function was transferred to the local fire department. The local fire inspector has cited the client for inadequate egress, stating that a door leading into a bedroom of a number of units must remain unlocked at all times. This would render these apartments non-rentable costing the client hundreds of thousands of dollars in income and drastically reducing the building's value. Despite pleas by the client and his architects and engineers, who have suggested a number of options to achieve the objective of the egress requirement, the fire department inspector will not budge.
Can anyone identify an expert in the area of fire codes in effect in 1969-1970 and currently?
Thanks.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
BURT & BURT
220 So. Ridgewood Avenue
Suite 200
Daytona Beach, Florida 32114
(386) 252-2090 (office)
(866) 240-7043 (facsimile)
dick@burt-burt.com<mailto:dick@burt-burt.com>
www.burt-burt.com<http://www.burt-burt.com/>
CL
Chris Lamia
Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:15 AM
Hi Herb! How are you? I always tell the story about you making opposing counsels chair low in meetings and depositions. It is still a riot.
Take care!
Chris Lamia
Christine E. Lamia
Chair, Litigation Practice Group
Board Certified in Construction Law
Bryant
Miller
Olive
101 North Monroe St. Suite 900
Tallahassee, FL 32301
(850) 222-8611
(850) 222-8969 (Fax)
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From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Brock, Herbert
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 4:15 PM
To: constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
Fred I am going to keep this email
http://www.becker-poliakoff.com/ Herbert O. Brock, Jr.
Attorney at Law
Board Certified Construction Lawyer
by the Florida Bar
Becker & Poliakoff, P.A.
Six Mile Corporate Park
12140 Carissa Commerce Court
Suite 200
Fort Myers, FL 33966
239.433.7707 Phone
239.433.5933 Fax
HBrock@becker-poliakoff.com
www.becker-poliakoff.com
From: fred.dudley@hklaw.com [mailto:fred.dudley@hklaw.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 03:46 PM
To: constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
I only know Mr. Ford by reputation, but most building code officials are NOT experts on the fire codes.
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From: Kevin Schoeppel [mailto:kschoeppel@ds-law.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 03:22 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
We use Don Ford who is the building inspector for Neptune Beach. He is also on the First Coast Chapter of the International Code Council and Building Officials Association of Florida. He has testified for us on numerous code issues for apt complexes. He is honest and not that expensive. His phone number is 904.235.3649.
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Jacksonville, FL 32217
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On Mar 10, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Richard A. Burt wrote:
Everyone,
I have a client who has owned an apartment building which has housed college students for over 20 years. Up to this year, the state conducted an annual inspection of the building and its units; each year the building and units passed inspection. Recently, the inspection function was transferred to the local fire department. The local fire inspector has cited the client for inadequate egress, stating that a door leading into a bedroom of a number of units must remain unlocked at all times. This would render these apartments non-rentable costing the client hundreds of thousands of dollars in income and drastically reducing the building’s value. Despite pleas by the client and his architects and engineers, who have suggested a number of options to achieve the objective of the egress requirement, the fire department inspector will not budge.
Can anyone identify an expert in the area of fire codes in effect in 1969-1970 and currently?
Thanks.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
BURT & BURT
220 So. Ridgewood Avenue
Suite 200
Daytona Beach, Florida 32114
(386) 252-2090 (office)
(866) 240-7043 (facsimile)
dick@burt-burt.com
www.burt-burt.com <http://www.burt-burt.com/>
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Hi Herb! How are you? I always tell the story about you making opposing counsels chair low in meetings and depositions. It is still a riot.
Take care!
Chris Lamia
Christine E. Lamia
Chair, Litigation Practice Group
Board Certified in Construction Law
Bryant
Miller
Olive
101 North Monroe St. Suite 900
Tallahassee, FL 32301
(850) 222-8611
(850) 222-8969 (Fax)
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From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Brock, Herbert
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 4:15 PM
To: constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
Fred I am going to keep this email
<http://www.becker-poliakoff.com/> Herbert O. Brock, Jr.
Attorney at Law
Board Certified Construction Lawyer
by the Florida Bar
Becker & Poliakoff, P.A.
Six Mile Corporate Park
12140 Carissa Commerce Court
Suite 200
Fort Myers, FL 33966
239.433.7707 Phone
239.433.5933 Fax
HBrock@becker-poliakoff.com
www.becker-poliakoff.com
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Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
I only know Mr. Ford by reputation, but most building code officials are NOT experts on the fire codes.
Frederick Dudley | Holland & Knight
Board Certified Construction Lawyer
315 South Calhoun Street, Suite 600 | Tallahassee FL 32301
Phone 850.425.5668 | Fax 850.224.8832 | Cell 850.294.3471
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Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 03:22 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw <constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org>
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
We use Don Ford who is the building inspector for Neptune Beach. He is also on the First Coast Chapter of the International Code Council and Building Officials Association of Florida. He has testified for us on numerous code issues for apt complexes. He is honest and not that expensive. His phone number is 904.235.3649.
Kevin A. Schoeppel, Esquire
DURANT & SCHOEPPEL, P.A.
6550 St. Augustine Rd., Ste. 105
Jacksonville, FL 32217
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On Mar 10, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Richard A. Burt wrote:
Everyone,
I have a client who has owned an apartment building which has housed college students for over 20 years. Up to this year, the state conducted an annual inspection of the building and its units; each year the building and units passed inspection. Recently, the inspection function was transferred to the local fire department. The local fire inspector has cited the client for inadequate egress, stating that a door leading into a bedroom of a number of units must remain unlocked at all times. This would render these apartments non-rentable costing the client hundreds of thousands of dollars in income and drastically reducing the building’s value. Despite pleas by the client and his architects and engineers, who have suggested a number of options to achieve the objective of the egress requirement, the fire department inspector will not budge.
Can anyone identify an expert in the area of fire codes in effect in 1969-1970 and currently?
Thanks.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
BURT & BURT
220 So. Ridgewood Avenue
Suite 200
Daytona Beach, Florida 32114
(386) 252-2090 (office)
(866) 240-7043 (facsimile)
dick@burt-burt.com
www.burt-burt.com <http://www.burt-burt.com/>
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Brock, Herbert
Fri, Mar 11, 2011 1:27 PM
Doing well Chris
How are you
From: Chris Lamia [mailto:clamia@bmolaw.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 09:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
Hi Herb! How are you? I always tell the story about you making opposing counsels chair low in meetings and depositions. It is still a riot.
Take care!
Chris Lamia
Christine E. Lamia
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Board Certified in Construction Law
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From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Brock, Herbert
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 4:15 PM
To: constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
Fred I am going to keep this email
http://www.becker-poliakoff.com/ Herbert O. Brock, Jr.
Attorney at Law
Board Certified Construction Lawyer
by the Florida Bar
Becker & Poliakoff, P.A.
Six Mile Corporate Park
12140 Carissa Commerce Court
Suite 200
Fort Myers, FL 33966
239.433.7707 Phone
239.433.5933 Fax
HBrock@becker-poliakoff.com
www.becker-poliakoff.com
From: fred.dudley@hklaw.com [mailto:fred.dudley@hklaw.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 03:46 PM
To: constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
I only know Mr. Ford by reputation, but most building code officials are NOT experts on the fire codes.
Frederick Dudley | Holland & Knight
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315 South Calhoun Street, Suite 600 | Tallahassee FL 32301
Phone 850.425.5668 | Fax 850.224.8832 | Cell 850.294.3471
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From: Kevin Schoeppel [mailto:kschoeppel@ds-law.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 03:22 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
We use Don Ford who is the building inspector for Neptune Beach. He is also on the First Coast Chapter of the International Code Council and Building Officials Association of Florida. He has testified for us on numerous code issues for apt complexes. He is honest and not that expensive. His phone number is 904.235.3649.
Kevin A. Schoeppel, Esquire
DURANT & SCHOEPPEL, P.A.
6550 St. Augustine Rd., Ste. 105
Jacksonville, FL 32217
Phone: (904) 652-2600
Fax: (904) 652-2610
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On Mar 10, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Richard A. Burt wrote:
Everyone,
I have a client who has owned an apartment building which has housed college students for over 20 years. Up to this year, the state conducted an annual inspection of the building and its units; each year the building and units passed inspection. Recently, the inspection function was transferred to the local fire department. The local fire inspector has cited the client for inadequate egress, stating that a door leading into a bedroom of a number of units must remain unlocked at all times. This would render these apartments non-rentable costing the client hundreds of thousands of dollars in income and drastically reducing the building’s value. Despite pleas by the client and his architects and engineers, who have suggested a number of options to achieve the objective of the egress requirement, the fire department inspector will not budge.
Can anyone identify an expert in the area of fire codes in effect in 1969-1970 and currently?
Thanks.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
BURT & BURT
220 So. Ridgewood Avenue
Suite 200
Daytona Beach, Florida 32114
(386) 252-2090 (office)
(866) 240-7043 (facsimile)
dick@burt-burt.com
www.burt-burt.com <http://www.burt-burt.com/>
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Doing well Chris
How are you
From: Chris Lamia [mailto:clamia@bmolaw.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 09:15 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw <constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org>
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
Hi Herb! How are you? I always tell the story about you making opposing counsels chair low in meetings and depositions. It is still a riot.
Take care!
Chris Lamia
Christine E. Lamia
Chair, Litigation Practice Group
Board Certified in Construction Law
Bryant
Miller
Olive
101 North Monroe St. Suite 900
Tallahassee, FL 32301
(850) 222-8611
(850) 222-8969 (Fax)
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Attorney at Law
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Becker & Poliakoff, P.A.
Six Mile Corporate Park
12140 Carissa Commerce Court
Suite 200
Fort Myers, FL 33966
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From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Brock, Herbert
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 4:15 PM
To: constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
Fred I am going to keep this email
<http://www.becker-poliakoff.com/> Herbert O. Brock, Jr.
Attorney at Law
Board Certified Construction Lawyer
by the Florida Bar
Becker & Poliakoff, P.A.
Six Mile Corporate Park
12140 Carissa Commerce Court
Suite 200
Fort Myers, FL 33966
239.433.7707 Phone
239.433.5933 Fax
HBrock@becker-poliakoff.com
www.becker-poliakoff.com
From: fred.dudley@hklaw.com [mailto:fred.dudley@hklaw.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 03:46 PM
To: constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org <constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org>
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
I only know Mr. Ford by reputation, but most building code officials are NOT experts on the fire codes.
Frederick Dudley | Holland & Knight
Board Certified Construction Lawyer
315 South Calhoun Street, Suite 600 | Tallahassee FL 32301
Phone 850.425.5668 | Fax 850.224.8832 | Cell 850.294.3471
fred.dudley@hklaw.com <mailto:fred.dudley@hklaw.com> | www.hklaw.com <http://www.hklaw.com/>
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From: Kevin Schoeppel [mailto:kschoeppel@ds-law.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 03:22 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw <constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org>
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
We use Don Ford who is the building inspector for Neptune Beach. He is also on the First Coast Chapter of the International Code Council and Building Officials Association of Florida. He has testified for us on numerous code issues for apt complexes. He is honest and not that expensive. His phone number is 904.235.3649.
Kevin A. Schoeppel, Esquire
DURANT & SCHOEPPEL, P.A.
6550 St. Augustine Rd., Ste. 105
Jacksonville, FL 32217
Phone: (904) 652-2600
Fax: (904) 652-2610
Email: kschoeppel@ds-law.net
Website: www.ds-law.net <http://www.ds-law.net/>
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On Mar 10, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Richard A. Burt wrote:
Everyone,
I have a client who has owned an apartment building which has housed college students for over 20 years. Up to this year, the state conducted an annual inspection of the building and its units; each year the building and units passed inspection. Recently, the inspection function was transferred to the local fire department. The local fire inspector has cited the client for inadequate egress, stating that a door leading into a bedroom of a number of units must remain unlocked at all times. This would render these apartments non-rentable costing the client hundreds of thousands of dollars in income and drastically reducing the building’s value. Despite pleas by the client and his architects and engineers, who have suggested a number of options to achieve the objective of the egress requirement, the fire department inspector will not budge.
Can anyone identify an expert in the area of fire codes in effect in 1969-1970 and currently?
Thanks.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
BURT & BURT
220 So. Ridgewood Avenue
Suite 200
Daytona Beach, Florida 32114
(386) 252-2090 (office)
(866) 240-7043 (facsimile)
dick@burt-burt.com
www.burt-burt.com <http://www.burt-burt.com/>
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JR
Jeff Regan
Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:32 PM
Amen!
Jeffrey C. Regan
Florida Bar Board Certified in
Business Litigation
and Construction Law
9905 Old St. Augustine Rd., Suite 400
Jacksonville, FL 32257
904-356-0035 (direct)
904-356-8050 (fax)
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[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of
Randall Gilbert
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 5:32 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
This guy may know something about the codes from way-back-then...
Noah's Ark in Today's Society...
The Lord speaks to Noah and says: "In one year, I am going to make it
rain and cover the whole Earth with water until all is destroyed. But I
want you to save the righteous people and two of every kind of living
thing on the Earth. Therefore, I am commanding you to build an Ark."
In a flash of lightning, God delivered the specifications for an Ark.
Fearful and trembling, Noah took the plans and agreed to build the Ark.
"Remember," said the Lord, "You must complete the Ark and bring
everything aboard in one year."
Exactly one year later, a fierce storm cloud formed and all the seas of
the earth went into a tumult. The Lord saw Noah sitting in his front
yard weeping.
"Noah." He shouted, "Where is the Ark?"
"Lord, please forgive me!" cried Noah. "I did my best but there were big
problems. First, I had to get a permit for construction and your plans
did not comply with the codes. I had to hire an engineering firm and
redraw the plans.
Then I got into a fight with OSHA over whether or not the Ark needed a
fire sprinkler system and floatation devices.
Then my neighbor objected, claiming I was violating zoning ordinances by
building the Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the
city planning commission.
I had problems getting enough wood for the Ark, because there was a ban
on cutting trees to protect the Spotted Owl. I finally convinced the
U.S. Forest Service that I needed the wood to save the owls.
However, the Fish and Wildlife Service won't let me catch any owls. So,
no owls.
The carpenters formed a union and went out on strike. I had to negotiate
a settlement with the National Labor Union. Now I have 16 carpenters on
the Ark, but still no owls.
When I started rounding up the other animals, I got sued by an animal
rights group. They objected to me only taking two of each kind aboard.
Just when I got the suit dismissed, the EPA notified me that I could not
complete the Ark without filing an environmental impact statement on
your proposed flood. They didn't take very kindly to the idea that they
had no jurisdiction over the conduct of the Creator of the universe.
Then the Army Corps of Engineer demanded a map of the proposed new flood
plain. I sent them a globe.
Right now, I am trying to resolve a complaint filed with the Equal
Employment Opportunity Commission that I am practicing discrimination by
not taking godless, unbelieving people aboard!
The IRS has seized all my assets, claiming that I'm building the Ark in
preparation to flee the country to avoid paying taxes.
I just got a notice from the State that I owe some kind of user tax and
failed to register the Ark as a 'recreational water craft.'
Finally the ACLU got the courts to issue an injunction against further
construction of the Ark, saying that since God is flooding the earth, it
is a religious event and therefore unconstitutional.
I really don't think I can finish the Ark for another 5 or 6 years!"
Noah wailed.
The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine and the seas began to
calm. A rainbow arched across the sky.
Noah looked up hopefully. "You mean you are not going to destroy the
Earth, Lord?"
"No," said the Lord sadly. "The government already has!"
Sincerely yours,
Randall Gilbert, Esq.
Board Certified Construction Lawyer
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of
Richard A. Burt
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:26 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
Everyone,
I have a client who has owned an apartment building which has housed
college students for over 20 years. Up to this year, the state
conducted an annual inspection of the building and its units; each year
the building and units passed inspection. Recently, the inspection
function was transferred to the local fire department. The local fire
inspector has cited the client for inadequate egress, stating that a
door leading into a bedroom of a number of units must remain unlocked at
all times. This would render these apartments non-rentable costing the
client hundreds of thousands of dollars in income and drastically
reducing the building's value. Despite pleas by the client and his
architects and engineers, who have suggested a number of options to
achieve the objective of the egress requirement, the fire department
inspector will not budge.
Can anyone identify an expert in the area of fire codes in effect in
1969-1970 and currently?
Thanks.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
BURT & BURT
220 So. Ridgewood Avenue
Suite 200
Daytona Beach, Florida 32114
(386) 252-2090 (office)
(866) 240-7043 (facsimile)
dick@burt-burt.com
www.burt-burt.com http://www.burt-burt.com/
Amen!
Jeffrey C. Regan
Florida Bar Board Certified in
Business Litigation
and Construction Law
9905 Old St. Augustine Rd., Suite 400
Jacksonville, FL 32257
904-356-0035 (direct)
904-356-8050 (fax)
www.rzwlaw.com <http://www.rzwlaw.com/>
The information in this message, and its attachments, is confidential
and may also be covered by the attorney-client and attorney work product
privilege. This information is intended only for the use of the
individuals to whom this message is addressed. You are hereby notified
that any other use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
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From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of
Randall Gilbert
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 5:32 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
This guy may know something about the codes from way-back-then...
Noah's Ark in Today's Society...
The Lord speaks to Noah and says: "In one year, I am going to make it
rain and cover the whole Earth with water until all is destroyed. But I
want you to save the righteous people and two of every kind of living
thing on the Earth. Therefore, I am commanding you to build an Ark."
In a flash of lightning, God delivered the specifications for an Ark.
Fearful and trembling, Noah took the plans and agreed to build the Ark.
"Remember," said the Lord, "You must complete the Ark and bring
everything aboard in one year."
Exactly one year later, a fierce storm cloud formed and all the seas of
the earth went into a tumult. The Lord saw Noah sitting in his front
yard weeping.
"Noah." He shouted, "Where is the Ark?"
"Lord, please forgive me!" cried Noah. "I did my best but there were big
problems. First, I had to get a permit for construction and your plans
did not comply with the codes. I had to hire an engineering firm and
redraw the plans.
Then I got into a fight with OSHA over whether or not the Ark needed a
fire sprinkler system and floatation devices.
Then my neighbor objected, claiming I was violating zoning ordinances by
building the Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the
city planning commission.
I had problems getting enough wood for the Ark, because there was a ban
on cutting trees to protect the Spotted Owl. I finally convinced the
U.S. Forest Service that I needed the wood to save the owls.
However, the Fish and Wildlife Service won't let me catch any owls. So,
no owls.
The carpenters formed a union and went out on strike. I had to negotiate
a settlement with the National Labor Union. Now I have 16 carpenters on
the Ark, but still no owls.
When I started rounding up the other animals, I got sued by an animal
rights group. They objected to me only taking two of each kind aboard.
Just when I got the suit dismissed, the EPA notified me that I could not
complete the Ark without filing an environmental impact statement on
your proposed flood. They didn't take very kindly to the idea that they
had no jurisdiction over the conduct of the Creator of the universe.
Then the Army Corps of Engineer demanded a map of the proposed new flood
plain. I sent them a globe.
Right now, I am trying to resolve a complaint filed with the Equal
Employment Opportunity Commission that I am practicing discrimination by
not taking godless, unbelieving people aboard!
The IRS has seized all my assets, claiming that I'm building the Ark in
preparation to flee the country to avoid paying taxes.
I just got a notice from the State that I owe some kind of user tax and
failed to register the Ark as a 'recreational water craft.'
Finally the ACLU got the courts to issue an injunction against further
construction of the Ark, saying that since God is flooding the earth, it
is a religious event and therefore unconstitutional.
I really don't think I can finish the Ark for another 5 or 6 years!"
Noah wailed.
The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine and the seas began to
calm. A rainbow arched across the sky.
Noah looked up hopefully. "You mean you are not going to destroy the
Earth, Lord?"
"No," said the Lord sadly. "The government already has!"
Sincerely yours,
Randall Gilbert, Esq.
Board Certified Construction Lawyer
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of
Richard A. Burt
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:26 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
Everyone,
I have a client who has owned an apartment building which has housed
college students for over 20 years. Up to this year, the state
conducted an annual inspection of the building and its units; each year
the building and units passed inspection. Recently, the inspection
function was transferred to the local fire department. The local fire
inspector has cited the client for inadequate egress, stating that a
door leading into a bedroom of a number of units must remain unlocked at
all times. This would render these apartments non-rentable costing the
client hundreds of thousands of dollars in income and drastically
reducing the building's value. Despite pleas by the client and his
architects and engineers, who have suggested a number of options to
achieve the objective of the egress requirement, the fire department
inspector will not budge.
Can anyone identify an expert in the area of fire codes in effect in
1969-1970 and currently?
Thanks.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
BURT & BURT
220 So. Ridgewood Avenue
Suite 200
Daytona Beach, Florida 32114
(386) 252-2090 (office)
(866) 240-7043 (facsimile)
dick@burt-burt.com
www.burt-burt.com <http://www.burt-burt.com/>
SK
Sandra Kennedy
Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:27 PM
That's funny, Randy!
Sandra D. Kennedy, Esquire
Florida Bar Board Certified Construction Lawyer
Ferencik Libanoff Brandt Bustamante and Williams, P.A.
150 South Pine Island Road, Suite 400
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33324
Tel (954) 474-8080
Fax (954) 474-7343
Miami (305) 949-8003
skennedy@flbbwlaw.com
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of
Randall Gilbert
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 5:32 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
This guy may know something about the codes from way-back-then...
Noah's Ark in Today's Society...
The Lord speaks to Noah and says: "In one year, I am going to make it
rain and cover the whole Earth with water until all is destroyed. But I
want you to save the righteous people and two of every kind of living
thing on the Earth. Therefore, I am commanding you to build an Ark."
In a flash of lightning, God delivered the specifications for an Ark.
Fearful and trembling, Noah took the plans and agreed to build the Ark.
"Remember," said the Lord, "You must complete the Ark and bring
everything aboard in one year."
Exactly one year later, a fierce storm cloud formed and all the seas of
the earth went into a tumult. The Lord saw Noah sitting in his front
yard weeping.
"Noah." He shouted, "Where is the Ark?"
"Lord, please forgive me!" cried Noah. "I did my best but there were big
problems. First, I had to get a permit for construction and your plans
did not comply with the codes. I had to hire an engineering firm and
redraw the plans.
Then I got into a fight with OSHA over whether or not the Ark needed a
fire sprinkler system and floatation devices.
Then my neighbor objected, claiming I was violating zoning ordinances by
building the Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the
city planning commission.
I had problems getting enough wood for the Ark, because there was a ban
on cutting trees to protect the Spotted Owl. I finally convinced the
U.S. Forest Service that I needed the wood to save the owls.
However, the Fish and Wildlife Service won't let me catch any owls. So,
no owls.
The carpenters formed a union and went out on strike. I had to negotiate
a settlement with the National Labor Union. Now I have 16 carpenters on
the Ark, but still no owls.
When I started rounding up the other animals, I got sued by an animal
rights group. They objected to me only taking two of each kind aboard.
Just when I got the suit dismissed, the EPA notified me that I could not
complete the Ark without filing an environmental impact statement on
your proposed flood. They didn't take very kindly to the idea that they
had no jurisdiction over the conduct of the Creator of the universe.
Then the Army Corps of Engineer demanded a map of the proposed new flood
plain. I sent them a globe.
Right now, I am trying to resolve a complaint filed with the Equal
Employment Opportunity Commission that I am practicing discrimination by
not taking godless, unbelieving people aboard!
The IRS has seized all my assets, claiming that I'm building the Ark in
preparation to flee the country to avoid paying taxes.
I just got a notice from the State that I owe some kind of user tax and
failed to register the Ark as a 'recreational water craft.'
Finally the ACLU got the courts to issue an injunction against further
construction of the Ark, saying that since God is flooding the earth, it
is a religious event and therefore unconstitutional.
I really don't think I can finish the Ark for another 5 or 6 years!"
Noah wailed.
The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine and the seas began to
calm. A rainbow arched across the sky.
Noah looked up hopefully. "You mean you are not going to destroy the
Earth, Lord?"
"No," said the Lord sadly. "The government already has!"
Sincerely yours,
Randall Gilbert, Esq.
Board Certified Construction Lawyer
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of
Richard A. Burt
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:26 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
Everyone,
I have a client who has owned an apartment building which has housed
college students for over 20 years. Up to this year, the state
conducted an annual inspection of the building and its units; each year
the building and units passed inspection. Recently, the inspection
function was transferred to the local fire department. The local fire
inspector has cited the client for inadequate egress, stating that a
door leading into a bedroom of a number of units must remain unlocked at
all times. This would render these apartments non-rentable costing the
client hundreds of thousands of dollars in income and drastically
reducing the building's value. Despite pleas by the client and his
architects and engineers, who have suggested a number of options to
achieve the objective of the egress requirement, the fire department
inspector will not budge.
Can anyone identify an expert in the area of fire codes in effect in
1969-1970 and currently?
Thanks.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
BURT & BURT
220 So. Ridgewood Avenue
Suite 200
Daytona Beach, Florida 32114
(386) 252-2090 (office)
(866) 240-7043 (facsimile)
dick@burt-burt.com
www.burt-burt.com http://www.burt-burt.com/
That's funny, Randy!
Sandra D. Kennedy, Esquire
Florida Bar Board Certified Construction Lawyer
Ferencik Libanoff Brandt Bustamante and Williams, P.A.
150 South Pine Island Road, Suite 400
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33324
Tel (954) 474-8080
Fax (954) 474-7343
Miami (305) 949-8003
skennedy@flbbwlaw.com
________________________________
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of
Randall Gilbert
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 5:32 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
This guy may know something about the codes from way-back-then...
Noah's Ark in Today's Society...
The Lord speaks to Noah and says: "In one year, I am going to make it
rain and cover the whole Earth with water until all is destroyed. But I
want you to save the righteous people and two of every kind of living
thing on the Earth. Therefore, I am commanding you to build an Ark."
In a flash of lightning, God delivered the specifications for an Ark.
Fearful and trembling, Noah took the plans and agreed to build the Ark.
"Remember," said the Lord, "You must complete the Ark and bring
everything aboard in one year."
Exactly one year later, a fierce storm cloud formed and all the seas of
the earth went into a tumult. The Lord saw Noah sitting in his front
yard weeping.
"Noah." He shouted, "Where is the Ark?"
"Lord, please forgive me!" cried Noah. "I did my best but there were big
problems. First, I had to get a permit for construction and your plans
did not comply with the codes. I had to hire an engineering firm and
redraw the plans.
Then I got into a fight with OSHA over whether or not the Ark needed a
fire sprinkler system and floatation devices.
Then my neighbor objected, claiming I was violating zoning ordinances by
building the Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the
city planning commission.
I had problems getting enough wood for the Ark, because there was a ban
on cutting trees to protect the Spotted Owl. I finally convinced the
U.S. Forest Service that I needed the wood to save the owls.
However, the Fish and Wildlife Service won't let me catch any owls. So,
no owls.
The carpenters formed a union and went out on strike. I had to negotiate
a settlement with the National Labor Union. Now I have 16 carpenters on
the Ark, but still no owls.
When I started rounding up the other animals, I got sued by an animal
rights group. They objected to me only taking two of each kind aboard.
Just when I got the suit dismissed, the EPA notified me that I could not
complete the Ark without filing an environmental impact statement on
your proposed flood. They didn't take very kindly to the idea that they
had no jurisdiction over the conduct of the Creator of the universe.
Then the Army Corps of Engineer demanded a map of the proposed new flood
plain. I sent them a globe.
Right now, I am trying to resolve a complaint filed with the Equal
Employment Opportunity Commission that I am practicing discrimination by
not taking godless, unbelieving people aboard!
The IRS has seized all my assets, claiming that I'm building the Ark in
preparation to flee the country to avoid paying taxes.
I just got a notice from the State that I owe some kind of user tax and
failed to register the Ark as a 'recreational water craft.'
Finally the ACLU got the courts to issue an injunction against further
construction of the Ark, saying that since God is flooding the earth, it
is a religious event and therefore unconstitutional.
I really don't think I can finish the Ark for another 5 or 6 years!"
Noah wailed.
The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine and the seas began to
calm. A rainbow arched across the sky.
Noah looked up hopefully. "You mean you are not going to destroy the
Earth, Lord?"
"No," said the Lord sadly. "The government already has!"
Sincerely yours,
Randall Gilbert, Esq.
Board Certified Construction Lawyer
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of
Richard A. Burt
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:26 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
Everyone,
I have a client who has owned an apartment building which has housed
college students for over 20 years. Up to this year, the state
conducted an annual inspection of the building and its units; each year
the building and units passed inspection. Recently, the inspection
function was transferred to the local fire department. The local fire
inspector has cited the client for inadequate egress, stating that a
door leading into a bedroom of a number of units must remain unlocked at
all times. This would render these apartments non-rentable costing the
client hundreds of thousands of dollars in income and drastically
reducing the building's value. Despite pleas by the client and his
architects and engineers, who have suggested a number of options to
achieve the objective of the egress requirement, the fire department
inspector will not budge.
Can anyone identify an expert in the area of fire codes in effect in
1969-1970 and currently?
Thanks.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
BURT & BURT
220 So. Ridgewood Avenue
Suite 200
Daytona Beach, Florida 32114
(386) 252-2090 (office)
(866) 240-7043 (facsimile)
dick@burt-burt.com
www.burt-burt.com <http://www.burt-burt.com/>
CK
Charles Kramer
Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:25 PM
Just forwarded that to everyone in my law firm.
Thank you, Randy for your usual mix of common- sense, wisdom, and humor.
Highest regards,
Charles M. Kramer, Esq.
Board Certified in Construction Law
ROGERS, MORRIS & ZIEGLER LLP
1401 E. Broward Boulevard, Suite 300
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301
(954)462-1431
Fax: (954)763-2692
EMAIL: cmkramer@rmzlaw.com
WEBSITE: WWW.RMZLAW.COM
CONFIDENTIALITY: This electronic message transmission contains information
from the law firm Rogers, Morris & Ziegler LLP that is considered
confidential or privileged. The information is intended solely for the
recipient and use by any other party is not authorized. If you are not the
intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or
use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received
this electronic transmission in error, please notify me immediately by
telephone (954-462-1431).
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Randall
Gilbert
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 5:32 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
This guy may know something about the codes from way-back-then.
Noah's Ark in Today's Society...
The Lord speaks to Noah and says: "In one year, I am going to make it rain
and cover the whole Earth with water until all is destroyed. But I want you
to save the righteous people and two of every kind of living thing on the
Earth. Therefore, I am commanding you to build an Ark."
In a flash of lightning, God delivered the specifications for an Ark.
Fearful and trembling, Noah took the plans and agreed to build the Ark.
"Remember," said the Lord, "You must complete the Ark and bring everything
aboard in one year."
Exactly one year later, a fierce storm cloud formed and all the seas of the
earth went into a tumult. The Lord saw Noah sitting in his front yard
weeping.
"Noah." He shouted, "Where is the Ark?"
"Lord, please forgive me!" cried Noah. "I did my best but there were big
problems. First, I had to get a permit for construction and your plans did
not comply with the codes. I had to hire an engineering firm and redraw the
plans.
Then I got into a fight with OSHA over whether or not the Ark needed a fire
sprinkler system and floatation devices.
Then my neighbor objected, claiming I was violating zoning ordinances by
building the Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the city
planning commission.
I had problems getting enough wood for the Ark, because there was a ban on
cutting trees to protect the Spotted Owl. I finally convinced the U.S.
Forest Service that I needed the wood to save the owls.
However, the Fish and Wildlife Service won't let me catch any owls. So, no
owls.
The carpenters formed a union and went out on strike. I had to negotiate a
settlement with the National Labor Union. Now I have 16 carpenters on the
Ark, but still no owls.
When I started rounding up the other animals, I got sued by an animal rights
group. They objected to me only taking two of each kind aboard.
Noah's Ark
Just when I got the suit dismissed, the EPA notified me that I could not
complete the Ark without filing an environmental impact statement on your
proposed flood. They didn't take very kindly to the idea that they had no
jurisdiction over the conduct of the Creator of the universe.
Then the Army Corps of Engineer demanded a map of the proposed new flood
plain. I sent them a globe.
Right now, I am trying to resolve a complaint filed with the Equal
Employment Opportunity Commission that I am practicing discrimination by not
taking godless, unbelieving people aboard!
The IRS has seized all my assets, claiming that I'm building the Ark in
preparation to flee the country to avoid paying taxes.
Noah's Ark
I just got a notice from the State that I owe some kind of user tax and
failed to register the Ark as a 'recreational water craft.'
Finally the ACLU got the courts to issue an injunction against further
construction of the Ark, saying that since God is flooding the earth, it is
a religious event and therefore unconstitutional.
I really don't think I can finish the Ark for another 5 or 6 years!" Noah
wailed.
The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine and the seas began to calm. A
rainbow arched across the sky.
Noah's Ark
Noah looked up hopefully. "You mean you are not going to destroy the Earth,
Lord?"
"No," said the Lord sadly. "The government already has!"
Sincerely yours,
Randall Gilbert, Esq.
Board Certified Construction Lawyer
Randall-GilbertConstruction-Law
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Richard
A. Burt
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:26 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
Everyone,
I have a client who has owned an apartment building which has housed college
students for over 20 years. Up to this year, the state conducted an annual
inspection of the building and its units; each year the building and units
passed inspection. Recently, the inspection function was transferred to the
local fire department. The local fire inspector has cited the client for
inadequate egress, stating that a door leading into a bedroom of a number of
units must remain unlocked at all times. This would render these apartments
non-rentable costing the client hundreds of thousands of dollars in income
and drastically reducing the building's value. Despite pleas by the client
and his architects and engineers, who have suggested a number of options to
achieve the objective of the egress requirement, the fire department
inspector will not budge.
Can anyone identify an expert in the area of fire codes in effect in
1969-1970 and currently?
Thanks.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
BURT & BURT
220 So. Ridgewood Avenue
Suite 200
Daytona Beach, Florida 32114
(386) 252-2090 (office)
(866) 240-7043 (facsimile)
dick@burt-burt.com
www.burt-burt.com http://www.burt-burt.com/
Just forwarded that to everyone in my law firm.
Thank you, Randy for your usual mix of common- sense, wisdom, and humor.
Highest regards,
Charles M. Kramer, Esq.
Board Certified in Construction Law
ROGERS, MORRIS & ZIEGLER LLP
1401 E. Broward Boulevard, Suite 300
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301
(954)462-1431
Fax: (954)763-2692
EMAIL: cmkramer@rmzlaw.com
WEBSITE: WWW.RMZLAW.COM
CONFIDENTIALITY: This electronic message transmission contains information
from the law firm Rogers, Morris & Ziegler LLP that is considered
confidential or privileged. The information is intended solely for the
recipient and use by any other party is not authorized. If you are not the
intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or
use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received
this electronic transmission in error, please notify me immediately by
telephone (954-462-1431).
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Randall
Gilbert
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 5:32 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
This guy may know something about the codes from way-back-then.
Noah's Ark in Today's Society...
The Lord speaks to Noah and says: "In one year, I am going to make it rain
and cover the whole Earth with water until all is destroyed. But I want you
to save the righteous people and two of every kind of living thing on the
Earth. Therefore, I am commanding you to build an Ark."
In a flash of lightning, God delivered the specifications for an Ark.
Fearful and trembling, Noah took the plans and agreed to build the Ark.
"Remember," said the Lord, "You must complete the Ark and bring everything
aboard in one year."
Exactly one year later, a fierce storm cloud formed and all the seas of the
earth went into a tumult. The Lord saw Noah sitting in his front yard
weeping.
"Noah." He shouted, "Where is the Ark?"
"Lord, please forgive me!" cried Noah. "I did my best but there were big
problems. First, I had to get a permit for construction and your plans did
not comply with the codes. I had to hire an engineering firm and redraw the
plans.
Then I got into a fight with OSHA over whether or not the Ark needed a fire
sprinkler system and floatation devices.
Then my neighbor objected, claiming I was violating zoning ordinances by
building the Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the city
planning commission.
I had problems getting enough wood for the Ark, because there was a ban on
cutting trees to protect the Spotted Owl. I finally convinced the U.S.
Forest Service that I needed the wood to save the owls.
However, the Fish and Wildlife Service won't let me catch any owls. So, no
owls.
The carpenters formed a union and went out on strike. I had to negotiate a
settlement with the National Labor Union. Now I have 16 carpenters on the
Ark, but still no owls.
When I started rounding up the other animals, I got sued by an animal rights
group. They objected to me only taking two of each kind aboard.
Noah's Ark
Just when I got the suit dismissed, the EPA notified me that I could not
complete the Ark without filing an environmental impact statement on your
proposed flood. They didn't take very kindly to the idea that they had no
jurisdiction over the conduct of the Creator of the universe.
Then the Army Corps of Engineer demanded a map of the proposed new flood
plain. I sent them a globe.
Right now, I am trying to resolve a complaint filed with the Equal
Employment Opportunity Commission that I am practicing discrimination by not
taking godless, unbelieving people aboard!
The IRS has seized all my assets, claiming that I'm building the Ark in
preparation to flee the country to avoid paying taxes.
Noah's Ark
I just got a notice from the State that I owe some kind of user tax and
failed to register the Ark as a 'recreational water craft.'
Finally the ACLU got the courts to issue an injunction against further
construction of the Ark, saying that since God is flooding the earth, it is
a religious event and therefore unconstitutional.
I really don't think I can finish the Ark for another 5 or 6 years!" Noah
wailed.
The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine and the seas began to calm. A
rainbow arched across the sky.
Noah's Ark
Noah looked up hopefully. "You mean you are not going to destroy the Earth,
Lord?"
"No," said the Lord sadly. "The government already has!"
Sincerely yours,
Randall Gilbert, Esq.
Board Certified Construction Lawyer
Randall-GilbertConstruction-Law
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Richard
A. Burt
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:26 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
Everyone,
I have a client who has owned an apartment building which has housed college
students for over 20 years. Up to this year, the state conducted an annual
inspection of the building and its units; each year the building and units
passed inspection. Recently, the inspection function was transferred to the
local fire department. The local fire inspector has cited the client for
inadequate egress, stating that a door leading into a bedroom of a number of
units must remain unlocked at all times. This would render these apartments
non-rentable costing the client hundreds of thousands of dollars in income
and drastically reducing the building's value. Despite pleas by the client
and his architects and engineers, who have suggested a number of options to
achieve the objective of the egress requirement, the fire department
inspector will not budge.
Can anyone identify an expert in the area of fire codes in effect in
1969-1970 and currently?
Thanks.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
BURT & BURT
220 So. Ridgewood Avenue
Suite 200
Daytona Beach, Florida 32114
(386) 252-2090 (office)
(866) 240-7043 (facsimile)
dick@burt-burt.com
www.burt-burt.com <http://www.burt-burt.com/>
JG
Joseph G. Thresher
Tue, Mar 22, 2011 5:23 PM
Some thoughts---
There are cases that have held that testimony about interpretation of codes
is not admissible when offered by a design expert experienced in applying
code; the argument being that interpretation of code is a matter of law not
fact and testimony on issue of law is not competent evidence. On the other
hand there is a FDOT rule case involving outdoor advertizing which held that
evidence of past practice of agency (FDOT) responsible for interpretation
and enforcement, may be offered as evidence of proper meaning to be given
to code.
Because you have period of actual application of code by then competent
agency, and no change to code language ( I assume ) then that prior
interpretation may be a basis for interpreting code as applied to your
specific facts. The interpretation and enforcement of safety codes include
judgment, consistently exercised, for period of time may be a basis to
preclude the inquiry itself (absent a new and permissibly retroactive safety
code requirement).
Good Luck
Joseph G. Thresher
813-229-7744
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Richard
A. Burt
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:26 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
Everyone,
I have a client who has owned an apartment building which has housed college
students for over 20 years. Up to this year, the state conducted an annual
inspection of the building and its units; each year the building and units
passed inspection. Recently, the inspection function was transferred to the
local fire department. The local fire inspector has cited the client for
inadequate egress, stating that a door leading into a bedroom of a number of
units must remain unlocked at all times. This would render these apartments
non-rentable costing the client hundreds of thousands of dollars in income
and drastically reducing the building's value. Despite pleas by the client
and his architects and engineers, who have suggested a number of options to
achieve the objective of the egress requirement, the fire department
inspector will not budge.
Can anyone identify an expert in the area of fire codes in effect in
1969-1970 and currently?
Thanks.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
BURT & BURT
220 So. Ridgewood Avenue
Suite 200
Daytona Beach, Florida 32114
(386) 252-2090 (office)
(866) 240-7043 (facsimile)
dick@burt-burt.com
www.burt-burt.com http://www.burt-burt.com/
Some thoughts---
There are cases that have held that testimony about interpretation of codes
is not admissible when offered by a design expert experienced in applying
code; the argument being that interpretation of code is a matter of law not
fact and testimony on issue of law is not competent evidence. On the other
hand there is a FDOT rule case involving outdoor advertizing which held that
evidence of past practice of agency (FDOT) responsible for interpretation
and enforcement, may be offered as evidence of proper meaning to be given
to code.
Because you have period of actual application of code by then competent
agency, and no change to code language ( I assume ) then that prior
interpretation may be a basis for interpreting code as applied to your
specific facts. The interpretation and enforcement of safety codes include
judgment, consistently exercised, for period of time may be a basis to
preclude the inquiry itself (absent a new and permissibly retroactive safety
code requirement).
Good Luck
Joseph G. Thresher
813-229-7744
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Richard
A. Burt
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:26 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Expert: Fire codes
Everyone,
I have a client who has owned an apartment building which has housed college
students for over 20 years. Up to this year, the state conducted an annual
inspection of the building and its units; each year the building and units
passed inspection. Recently, the inspection function was transferred to the
local fire department. The local fire inspector has cited the client for
inadequate egress, stating that a door leading into a bedroom of a number of
units must remain unlocked at all times. This would render these apartments
non-rentable costing the client hundreds of thousands of dollars in income
and drastically reducing the building's value. Despite pleas by the client
and his architects and engineers, who have suggested a number of options to
achieve the objective of the egress requirement, the fire department
inspector will not budge.
Can anyone identify an expert in the area of fire codes in effect in
1969-1970 and currently?
Thanks.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
Richard A. Burt, Esq.
BURT & BURT
220 So. Ridgewood Avenue
Suite 200
Daytona Beach, Florida 32114
(386) 252-2090 (office)
(866) 240-7043 (facsimile)
dick@burt-burt.com
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