Re: [CLC-Discussion] SB 286 - Limitations on Individual DesignProfessional Liability

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Gene Atwood
Fri, Apr 26, 2013 6:41 PM

Good questions, Bruce.  Here is my two cents at this early stage.

558.0035(1)(a) provides: "The contract includes a prominent statement
... that ... an individual employee or agent may not be held
individually liable for negligence."  You singled out a partnership,
limited partnership or proprietorship.  However, each of those entities
could employ a professional that would meet the exemption definition.
It would be those employees and agents of the partnership that would be
exempt from personal liability.  I agree that the partners or proprietor
of the company would not escape liability, but the liability would be
indirect, through the lack of any liability shield provided by these
forms of business entities, rather than direct from the partners status
as a professional.

Thus, while John Smith might be an Architect/Partner in Design
Partnership and his work might be the target of a lawsuit for economic
damages, he would not be a named party even though he may be liable for
the judgment debt of the partnership.  Through the same theory, he would
be liable for the errors and omissions committed by his professional
employee, John Doe, even though Mr. Smith did not perform the work as
well.

The changes that were not made support this interpretation. For
instance, section 471.023(3) still provides that "Partnerships and all
partners shall be jointly and severally liable for the negligence,
misconduct, or wrongful acts committed by their agents, employees, or
partners while acting in a professional capacity."  It would appear that
the corresponding sections to 471.023 in chapters 472, 481 and 492 would
all require modification if the legislature were attempting to eliminate
design professional liability for purely economic damages.

I agree that the inclusion of a sole proprietor in 558.035(2) is
confusing at best.

Gene Atwood | Shareholder

Rogers Towers, P.A. | 1301 Riverplace Blvd., Suite 1500 | Jacksonville,
Florida 32207

Direct 904.346.5721 | GAtwood@rtlaw.com mailto:GAtwood@rtlaw.com  |
www.rtlaw.com http://www.RTlaw.com

Florida Bar Board Certified Construction Attorney

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Partington
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 1:14 PM
To: Roberts, Hardy L.; Construction Law Discussion
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] SB 286 - Limitations on Individual
DesignProfessional Liability

Since we've all been thoroughly studying this for the last 25 hours (and
busily forwarding it to all our design professional clients and those
who contract with them), it seems to me that there is a conflict or
ambiguity within the bill (or at least one).

On the one hand, it seeks to limit the individual responsibility of
licensees who are acting as the agent or employee of a "business entity"
-- but then includes within the definition of "business entity" both
traditional liability limiting entities, but also "partnership, limited
partnership, proprietorship, . . . .[and] self-employed individual."  It
seems to me that the statute can't do much good in those instances due
to the inherent liability under those other forms.  In other words, a
sole proprietor who would be personally liable for ALL debts and
obligations of the proprietorship would seem still to be liable since a
proprietor does not employ himself or herself, and cannot be his/her own
"agent."

Or, would the statute be construed to essentially eliminate claims for
"solely economic" damages against design professionals?  It's not
written that way, but that would seem the only alternative construction
that would give some meaning or value to partnerships, sole
proprietorships, and "self employed individual."  But, given that this
elimination of economic damages claims would have to be inferred run
afoul of the access to courts provision of the Florida Constitution
(despite the staff analysis).

I'd welcome the thoughts of others on this and any other issues on the
bill.

Bruce D. Partington

Clark Partington

bpartington@cphlaw.com mailto:bpartington@cphlaw.com

Direct: 850-432-1399

Fax: 850-432-7340

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CLC'ers,

For your information, I understand Governor Scott signed the attached
bill into law yesterday.

Hardy

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Good questions, Bruce. Here is my two cents at this early stage. 558.0035(1)(a) provides: "The contract includes a prominent statement ... that ... an individual employee or agent may not be held individually liable for negligence." You singled out a partnership, limited partnership or proprietorship. However, each of those entities could employ a professional that would meet the exemption definition. It would be those employees and agents of the partnership that would be exempt from personal liability. I agree that the partners or proprietor of the company would not escape liability, but the liability would be indirect, through the lack of any liability shield provided by these forms of business entities, rather than direct from the partners status as a professional. Thus, while John Smith might be an Architect/Partner in Design Partnership and his work might be the target of a lawsuit for economic damages, he would not be a named party even though he may be liable for the judgment debt of the partnership. Through the same theory, he would be liable for the errors and omissions committed by his professional employee, John Doe, even though Mr. Smith did not perform the work as well. The changes that were not made support this interpretation. For instance, section 471.023(3) still provides that "Partnerships and all partners shall be jointly and severally liable for the negligence, misconduct, or wrongful acts committed by their agents, employees, or partners while acting in a professional capacity." It would appear that the corresponding sections to 471.023 in chapters 472, 481 and 492 would all require modification if the legislature were attempting to eliminate design professional liability for purely economic damages. I agree that the inclusion of a sole proprietor in 558.035(2) is confusing at best. Gene Atwood | Shareholder Rogers Towers, P.A. | 1301 Riverplace Blvd., Suite 1500 | Jacksonville, Florida 32207 Direct 904.346.5721 | GAtwood@rtlaw.com <mailto:GAtwood@rtlaw.com> | www.rtlaw.com <http://www.RTlaw.com> Florida Bar Board Certified Construction Attorney From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Partington Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 1:14 PM To: Roberts, Hardy L.; Construction Law Discussion Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] SB 286 - Limitations on Individual DesignProfessional Liability Since we've all been thoroughly studying this for the last 25 hours (and busily forwarding it to all our design professional clients and those who contract with them), it seems to me that there is a conflict or ambiguity within the bill (or at least one). On the one hand, it seeks to limit the individual responsibility of licensees who are acting as the agent or employee of a "business entity" -- but then includes within the definition of "business entity" both traditional liability limiting entities, but also "partnership, limited partnership, proprietorship, . . . .[and] self-employed individual." It seems to me that the statute can't do much good in those instances due to the inherent liability under those other forms. In other words, a sole proprietor who would be personally liable for ALL debts and obligations of the proprietorship would seem still to be liable since a proprietor does not employ himself or herself, and cannot be his/her own "agent." Or, would the statute be construed to essentially eliminate claims for "solely economic" damages against design professionals? It's not written that way, but that would seem the only alternative construction that would give some meaning or value to partnerships, sole proprietorships, and "self employed individual." But, given that this elimination of economic damages claims would have to be inferred run afoul of the access to courts provision of the Florida Constitution (despite the staff analysis). I'd welcome the thoughts of others on this and any other issues on the bill. Bruce D. Partington Clark Partington bpartington@cphlaw.com <mailto:bpartington@cphlaw.com> Direct: 850-432-1399 Fax: 850-432-7340 *Board Certified in Construction Law NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachments are private communication sent by the law firm of Clark Partington Hart Larry Bond & Stackhouse, and may contain confidential, legally privileged information meant solely for the intended recipient. 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Donald Gibson
Sat, Apr 27, 2013 4:06 AM

While not entirely on point, but at least in the vein of "but wait, if that's true, then . . . ? ", I would suggest that we all take a moment to ponder the ramifications of these very recent legislative pronouncements in light of the obiter dictum from the Florida Supreme Court in Moransais: "Indeed, it is questionable whether a professional, such as a lawyer, could legally or ethically limit a client's remedies by contract in the same way that a manufacturer could do with a purchaser in a purely commercial setting."  Obviously, the important part of that statement is "ethically".  I would, at least at this point, suggest caution in advising a client what these recent pronouncements truly mean, . . . at least until "the paint fully dries".  Just a thought.

From: Gene Atwood GAtwood@rtlaw.com
To: Bruce Partington bparting@cphlaw.com; "Roberts, Hardy L." hroberts@carltonfields.com; Construction Law Discussion clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] SB 286 - Limitations on Individual DesignProfessional Liability

Good questions, Bruce.  Here is my two cents at this early stage.
 
558.0035(1)(a) provides: “The contract includes a prominent statement … that … an individual employee or agent may not be held individually liable for negligence.”  You singled out a partnership, limited partnership or proprietorship.  However, each of those entities could employ a professional that would meet the exemption definition.  It would be those employees and agents of the partnership that would be exempt from personal liability.  I agree that the partners or proprietor of the company would not escape liability, but the liability would be indirect, through the lack of any liability shield provided by these forms of business entities, rather than direct from the partners status as a professional. 
 
Thus, while John Smith might be an Architect/Partner in Design Partnership and his work might be the target of a lawsuit for economic damages, he would not be a named party even though he may be liable for the judgment debt of the partnership.  Through the same theory, he would be liable for the errors and omissions committed by his professional employee, John Doe, even though Mr. Smith did not perform the work as well.
 
The changes that were not made support this interpretation. For instance, section 471.023(3) still provides that “Partnerships and all partners shall be jointly and severally liable for the negligence, misconduct, or wrongful acts committed by their agents, employees, or partners while acting in a professional capacity.”  It would appear that the corresponding sections to 471.023 in chapters 472, 481 and 492 would all require modification if the legislature were attempting to eliminate design professional liability for purely economic damages.
 
I agree that the inclusion of a sole proprietor in 558.035(2) is confusing at best. 
 
Gene Atwood | Shareholder
Rogers Towers, P.A. | 1301 Riverplace Blvd., Suite 1500 | Jacksonville, Florida 32207
Direct 904.346.5721 | GAtwood@rtlaw.com| www.rtlaw.com
Florida Bar Board Certified Construction Attorney
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Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 1:14 PM
To: Roberts, Hardy L.; Construction Law Discussion
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] SB 286 - Limitations on Individual DesignProfessional Liability
 
Since we’ve all been thoroughly studying this for the last 25 hours (and busily forwarding it to all our design professional clients and those who contract with them), it seems to me that there is a conflict or ambiguity within the bill (or at least one).
 
On the one hand, it seeks to limit the individual responsibility of licensees who are acting as the agent or employee of a “business entity” -- but then includes within the definition of “business entity” both traditional liability limiting entities, but also “partnership, limited partnership, proprietorship, . . . .[and] self-employed individual.”  It seems to me that the statute can’t do much good in those instances due to the inherent liability under those other forms.  In other words, a sole proprietor who would be personally liable for ALL debts and obligations of the proprietorship would seem still to be liable since a proprietor does not employ himself or herself, and cannot be his/her own “agent.”
 
Or, would the statute be construed to essentially eliminate claims for “solely economic” damages against design professionals?  It’s not written that way, but that would seem the only alternative construction that would give some meaning or value to partnerships, sole proprietorships, and “self employed individual.”  But, given that this elimination of economic damages claims would have to be inferred run afoul of the access to courts provision of the Florida Constitution (despite the staff analysis). 
 
I’d welcome the thoughts of others on this and any other issues on the bill.
 
 
Bruce D. Partington
ClarkPartington
bpartington@cphlaw.com
Direct: 850-432-1399
Fax: 850-432-7340
*Board Certified in Construction Law
 
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CLC’ers,
For your information, I understand Governor Scott signed the attached bill into law yesterday.
Hardy
 

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Attorney at Law / Board Certified in Construction Law by the Florida Bar
4221 W. Boy Scout Blvd., Ste. 1000
Tampa, Florida  33607-5780
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While not entirely on point, but at least in the vein of "but wait, if that's true, then . . . ? ", I would suggest that we all take a moment to ponder the ramifications of these very recent legislative pronouncements in light of the obiter dictum from the Florida Supreme Court in Moransais: "Indeed, it is questionable whether a professional, such as a lawyer, could legally or ethically limit a client's remedies by contract in the same way that a manufacturer could do with a purchaser in a purely commercial setting."  Obviously, the important part of that statement is "ethically".  I would, at least at this point, suggest caution in advising a client what these recent pronouncements truly mean, . . . at least until "the paint fully dries".  Just a thought. From: Gene Atwood <GAtwood@rtlaw.com> To: Bruce Partington <bparting@cphlaw.com>; "Roberts, Hardy L." <hroberts@carltonfields.com>; Construction Law Discussion <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] SB 286 - Limitations on Individual DesignProfessional Liability Good questions, Bruce.  Here is my two cents at this early stage.   558.0035(1)(a) provides: “The contract includes a prominent statement … that … an individual employee or agent may not be held individually liable for negligence.”  You singled out a partnership, limited partnership or proprietorship.  However, each of those entities could employ a professional that would meet the exemption definition.  It would be those employees and agents of the partnership that would be exempt from personal liability.  I agree that the partners or proprietor of the company would not escape liability, but the liability would be indirect, through the lack of any liability shield provided by these forms of business entities, rather than direct from the partners status as a professional.    Thus, while John Smith might be an Architect/Partner in Design Partnership and his work might be the target of a lawsuit for economic damages, he would not be a named party even though he may be liable for the judgment debt of the partnership.  Through the same theory, he would be liable for the errors and omissions committed by his professional employee, John Doe, even though Mr. Smith did not perform the work as well.   The changes that were not made support this interpretation. For instance, section 471.023(3) still provides that “Partnerships and all partners shall be jointly and severally liable for the negligence, misconduct, or wrongful acts committed by their agents, employees, or partners while acting in a professional capacity.”  It would appear that the corresponding sections to 471.023 in chapters 472, 481 and 492 would all require modification if the legislature were attempting to eliminate design professional liability for purely economic damages.   I agree that the inclusion of a sole proprietor in 558.035(2) is confusing at best.    Gene Atwood | Shareholder Rogers Towers, P.A. | 1301 Riverplace Blvd., Suite 1500 | Jacksonville, Florida 32207 Direct 904.346.5721 | GAtwood@rtlaw.com| www.rtlaw.com Florida Bar Board Certified Construction Attorney From:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Partington Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 1:14 PM To: Roberts, Hardy L.; Construction Law Discussion Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] SB 286 - Limitations on Individual DesignProfessional Liability   Since we’ve all been thoroughly studying this for the last 25 hours (and busily forwarding it to all our design professional clients and those who contract with them), it seems to me that there is a conflict or ambiguity within the bill (or at least one).   On the one hand, it seeks to limit the individual responsibility of licensees who are acting as the agent or employee of a “business entity” -- but then includes within the definition of “business entity” both traditional liability limiting entities, but also “partnership, limited partnership, proprietorship, . . . .[and] self-employed individual.”  It seems to me that the statute can’t do much good in those instances due to the inherent liability under those other forms.  In other words, a sole proprietor who would be personally liable for ALL debts and obligations of the proprietorship would seem still to be liable since a proprietor does not employ himself or herself, and cannot be his/her own “agent.”   Or, would the statute be construed to essentially eliminate claims for “solely economic” damages against design professionals?  It’s not written that way, but that would seem the only alternative construction that would give some meaning or value to partnerships, sole proprietorships, and “self employed individual.”  But, given that this elimination of economic damages claims would have to be inferred run afoul of the access to courts provision of the Florida Constitution (despite the staff analysis).    I’d welcome the thoughts of others on this and any other issues on the bill.     Bruce D. Partington ClarkPartington bpartington@cphlaw.com Direct: 850-432-1399 Fax: 850-432-7340 *Board Certified in Construction Law   NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachments are private communication sent by the law firm of Clark Partington Hart Larry Bond & Stackhouse, and may contain confidential, legally privileged information meant solely for the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message, and delete the e-mail and any attachments from your system. Thank you.   From:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Roberts, Hardy L. Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 11:03 AM To: 'Construction Law Discussion' Subject: [CLC-Discussion] SB 286 - Limitations on Individual DesignProfessional Liability   CLC’ers, For your information, I understand Governor Scott signed the attached bill into law yesterday. Hardy   Hardy L. Roberts Attorney at Law / Board Certified in Construction Law by the Florida Bar 4221 W. 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