Rejection of PE drawings by non-PE plans examiner
In reading and reviewing the FAC concerning professional engineers and their
duties, I came across 61G15-26, Supervision Standards “61G15-26.001;
Standards for Supervision of Governmental Employees by Professional
Engineers”
https://www.flrules.org/gateway/ChapterHome.asp?Chapter=61G15-26
The key wording is, “This rule shall prohibit non-professional employees
governed by this rule from overriding, or approving, accepting or rejecting,
or modifying engineering documents prepared by professional engineers unless
such actions are concurred in by a professional engineer in responsible
charge of the employee and that said professional engineer takes full
responsibility for such a decision.” (and yes, there are definitional
standards in the rule, and exceptions, but none I believe apply here).
So, I have a plans examiner (governmental employee), who is not a PE and has
no training as a PE, rejecting (or for argument’s sake approving what is
later found to be bad) signed, sealed and stamped construction drawings
created by a FL PE.
Shouldn’t I be able to request and discover the “concurrence” (however that
was documented or communicated) that must have accompanied the plans
examiner’s decision? Doesn’t the city/county have to produce the
“professional engineer” who took (or takes) “full responsibility” for the
plans examiner’s decision? And if there was no “engineering supervision,”
what is the result?
Jeffrey L. Price, Esq.
Florida Bar Board Certified - Construction Law
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Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Rejection of PE drawings by non-PE plans examiner
In reading and reviewing the FAC concerning professional engineers and their
duties, I came across 61G15-26, Supervision Standards “61G15-26.001;
Standards for Supervision of Governmental Employees by Professional
Engineers”
https://www.flrules.org/gateway/ChapterHome.asp?Chapter=61G15-26
The key wording is, “This rule shall prohibit non-professional employees
governed by this rule from overriding, or approving, accepting or rejecting,
or modifying engineering documents prepared by professional engineers unless
such actions are concurred in by a professional engineer in responsible
charge of the employee and that said professional engineer takes full
responsibility for such a decision.” (and yes, there are definitional
standards in the rule, and exceptions, but none I believe apply here).
So, I have a plans examiner (governmental employee), who is not a PE and has
no training as a PE, rejecting (or for argument’s sake approving what is
later found to be bad) signed, sealed and stamped construction drawings
created by a FL PE.
Shouldn’t I be able to request and discover the “concurrence” (however that
was documented or communicated) that must have accompanied the plans
examiner’s decision? Doesn’t the city/county have to produce the
“professional engineer” who took (or takes) “full responsibility” for the
plans examiner’s decision? And if there was no “engineering supervision,”
what is the result?
Jeffrey L. Price, Esq.
Florida Bar Board Certified - Construction Law
Niesen|Price|Worthy|Campo, PA
5216 SW 91st Drive Gainesville, FL 32608
Ph (352) 373-9031 Fax (352) 373-9099
http://npw-law.com http://npw-law.com/
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