Notice of Contest of Lien question

RC
RPPTL CLC-Discussion
Wed, Sep 6, 2023 1:50 PM

Hello:

I have a client that recorded the Notice of Contest of Lien and the clerk served it.  No suit was filed and per 713.22 the lien is extinguished automatically.
But how do they show that in public records?  I have not had this issue before. Thank you for the help.

Best regards,

Daniel Greene
Daniel M. Greene, P.A.
Florida Board Certified in Construction Law
Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil and Appellate Mediator
P.O. Box 3092
Orlando, FL 32802-3092
407-448-5391
www.dangreenelaw.com
dan@dangreenelaw.com
dangreenelaw@gmail.com

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Hello: I have a client that recorded the Notice of Contest of Lien and the clerk served it. No suit was filed and per 713.22 the lien is extinguished automatically. But how do they show that in public records? I have not had this issue before. Thank you for the help. Best regards, Daniel Greene Daniel M. Greene, P.A. Florida Board Certified in Construction Law Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil and Appellate Mediator P.O. Box 3092 Orlando, FL 32802-3092 407-448-5391 www.dangreenelaw.com dan@dangreenelaw.com dangreenelaw@gmail.com To ensure compliance with Treasury Regulations (31 CFR Part 10, Sec. 10.35), we inform you that any tax advice contained in this correspondence was not intended or written by us to be used, and cannot be used by you or anyone else, for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed by the Internal Revenue Code. ___________ NOTE: This e-mail is from Daniel M. Greene, P.A., and is intended for the recipient(s)only. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately, delete the e-mail and do not copy or disclose it. If you are not an existing client, do not construe anything in this e-mail to make you a client unless it contains a specific statement to that effect and do not disclose anything to Daniel M. Greene, P.A. that you expect to be confidential. If you properly received this e-mail as a client, co-counsel or retained expert, you should maintain its contents in confidence to preserve the attorney-client or work product privilege.
RC
RPPTL CLC-Discussion
Wed, Sep 6, 2023 2:07 PM

The Notice of Contest of Lien statute is self-executing.  If no suit is filed within the 60-day deadline period, the lien is extinguished by operation of law.  The Clerk does not record a Release of Lien.
Scott S. Sheffler, Esquire
Worman & Sheffler, P.A.
2600 Lake Lucien Drive, Suite 405
Maitland, Florida  32751
Phone: (407) 843-5353, ext. 208
Fax:  (407) 841-9516
Website: www.wormanlaw.comhttp://www.wormanlaw.com/
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Hello:

I have a client that recorded the Notice of Contest of Lien and the clerk served it.  No suit was filed and per 713.22 the lien is extinguished automatically.
But how do they show that in public records?  I have not had this issue before. Thank you for the help.

Best regards,

Daniel Greene
Daniel M. Greene, P.A.
Florida Board Certified in Construction Law
Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil and Appellate Mediator
P.O. Box 3092
Orlando, FL 32802-3092
407-448-5391
www.dangreenelaw.comhttp://www.dangreenelaw.com
dan@dangreenelaw.commailto:dan@dangreenelaw.com
dangreenelaw@gmail.commailto:dangreenelaw@gmail.com

To ensure compliance with Treasury Regulations (31 CFR Part 10, Sec. 10.35), we inform you that any tax advice contained in this correspondence was not intended or written by us to be used, and cannot be used by you or anyone else, for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed by the Internal Revenue Code.


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The Notice of Contest of Lien statute is self-executing. If no suit is filed within the 60-day deadline period, the lien is extinguished by operation of law. The Clerk does not record a Release of Lien. Scott S. Sheffler, Esquire Worman & Sheffler, P.A. 2600 Lake Lucien Drive, Suite 405 Maitland, Florida 32751 Phone: (407) 843-5353, ext. 208 Fax: (407) 841-9516 Website: www.wormanlaw.com<http://www.wormanlaw.com/> NOTICE: THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENT HERETO CONTAINS CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION THAT MAY BE LEGALLY PRIVILEGED. IF YOU ARE NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, YOU MUST NOT REVIEW, RETRANSMIT, CONVERT TO HARD COPY, COPY, USE OR DISSEMINATE THIS E-MAIL OR ANY ATTACHMENT TO IT. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS E-MAIL IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY US IMMEDIATELY BY RETURN E-MAIL OR BY PHONE AT 407-843-5353 AND DELETE THIS MESSAGE. IF THIS E-MAIL CONTAINS A FORWARDED MESSAGE OR IS A REPLY TO A PRIOR MESSAGE, SOME OR ALL OF THE CONTENTS OF THIS MESSAGE OR ANY ATTACHMENTS MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PRODUCED BY WORMAN & SHEFFLER, P.A. TAX ADVICE DISCLOSURE: TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH REQUIREMENTS IMPOSED BY THE IRS UNDER CIRCULAR 230, WE INFORM YOU THAT ANY U.S. FEDERAL TAX ADVICE CONTAINED IN THIS COMMUNICATION (INCLUDING ANY ATTACHMENTS), UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFICALLY STATED, WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE USED, AND IS NOT TO BE USED FOR PURPOSES OF AVOIDING PENALTIES UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE. From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of RPPTL CLC-Discussion Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 9:51 AM To: RPPTL CLC-Discussion <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question Hello: I have a client that recorded the Notice of Contest of Lien and the clerk served it. No suit was filed and per 713.22 the lien is extinguished automatically. But how do they show that in public records? I have not had this issue before. Thank you for the help. Best regards, Daniel Greene Daniel M. Greene, P.A. Florida Board Certified in Construction Law Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil and Appellate Mediator P.O. Box 3092 Orlando, FL 32802-3092 407-448-5391 www.dangreenelaw.com<http://www.dangreenelaw.com> dan@dangreenelaw.com<mailto:dan@dangreenelaw.com> dangreenelaw@gmail.com<mailto:dangreenelaw@gmail.com> To ensure compliance with Treasury Regulations (31 CFR Part 10, Sec. 10.35), we inform you that any tax advice contained in this correspondence was not intended or written by us to be used, and cannot be used by you or anyone else, for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed by the Internal Revenue Code. ___________ NOTE: This e-mail is from Daniel M. Greene, P.A., and is intended for the recipient(s)only. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately, delete the e-mail and do not copy or disclose it. If you are not an existing client, do not construe anything in this e-mail to make you a client unless it contains a specific statement to that effect and do not disclose anything to Daniel M. Greene, P.A. that you expect to be confidential. If you properly received this e-mail as a client, co-counsel or retained expert, you should maintain its contents in confidence to preserve the attorney-client or work product privilege.
RC
RPPTL CLC-Discussion
Wed, Sep 6, 2023 2:22 PM

Agree, plus from my experience title examiners understand these rules and do not raise the extinguished Lien as a title objection.

Joseph Lane
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The Notice of Contest of Lien statute is self-executing.  If no suit is filed within the 60-day deadline period, the lien is extinguished by operation of law.  The Clerk does not record a Release of Lien.
Scott S. Sheffler, Esquire
Worman & Sheffler, P.A.
2600 Lake Lucien Drive, Suite 405
Maitland, Florida  32751
Phone: (407) 843-5353, ext. 208
Fax:  (407) 841-9516
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Hello:

I have a client that recorded the Notice of Contest of Lien and the clerk served it.  No suit was filed and per 713.22 the lien is extinguished automatically.
But how do they show that in public records?  I have not had this issue before. Thank you for the help.

Best regards,

Daniel Greene
Daniel M. Greene, P.A.
Florida Board Certified in Construction Law
Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil and Appellate Mediator
P.O. Box 3092
Orlando, FL 32802-3092
407-448-5391
www.dangreenelaw.comhttp://www.dangreenelaw.com
dan@dangreenelaw.commailto:dan@dangreenelaw.com
dangreenelaw@gmail.commailto:dangreenelaw@gmail.com

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Agree, plus from my experience title examiners understand these rules and do not raise the extinguished Lien as a title objection. Joseph Lane Shareholder/Board Certified in Construction Law by The Florida Bar D: 407.418.6343 | P: 407.843.4600 Email<mailto:joseph.lane@lowndes-law.com> | Website<http://lowndes-law.com> | Bio<https://lowndes-law.com/people/Joseph-Lane> | VCard<https://lowndeslaw.dpmlocal.com/admin/vcard/generate.php?id=22> | LinkedIn<22> [cid:image001.png@01D9E0AC.0FE20E10] LOCAL ROOTS. BROAD REACH. SM From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of RPPTL CLC-Discussion Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 10:08 AM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question CAUTION: THIS IS AN EXTERNAL EMAIL The Notice of Contest of Lien statute is self-executing. If no suit is filed within the 60-day deadline period, the lien is extinguished by operation of law. The Clerk does not record a Release of Lien. Scott S. Sheffler, Esquire Worman & Sheffler, P.A. 2600 Lake Lucien Drive, Suite 405 Maitland, Florida 32751 Phone: (407) 843-5353, ext. 208 Fax: (407) 841-9516 Website: www.wormanlaw.com<https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/hMGHC5y17rCMxprXcOJbqj/> NOTICE: THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENT HERETO CONTAINS CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION THAT MAY BE LEGALLY PRIVILEGED. IF YOU ARE NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, YOU MUST NOT REVIEW, RETRANSMIT, CONVERT TO HARD COPY, COPY, USE OR DISSEMINATE THIS E-MAIL OR ANY ATTACHMENT TO IT. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS E-MAIL IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY US IMMEDIATELY BY RETURN E-MAIL OR BY PHONE AT 407-843-5353 AND DELETE THIS MESSAGE. IF THIS E-MAIL CONTAINS A FORWARDED MESSAGE OR IS A REPLY TO A PRIOR MESSAGE, SOME OR ALL OF THE CONTENTS OF THIS MESSAGE OR ANY ATTACHMENTS MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PRODUCED BY WORMAN & SHEFFLER, P.A. TAX ADVICE DISCLOSURE: TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH REQUIREMENTS IMPOSED BY THE IRS UNDER CIRCULAR 230, WE INFORM YOU THAT ANY U.S. FEDERAL TAX ADVICE CONTAINED IN THIS COMMUNICATION (INCLUDING ANY ATTACHMENTS), UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFICALLY STATED, WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE USED, AND IS NOT TO BE USED FOR PURPOSES OF AVOIDING PENALTIES UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE. From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> On Behalf Of RPPTL CLC-Discussion Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 9:51 AM To: RPPTL CLC-Discussion <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question Hello: I have a client that recorded the Notice of Contest of Lien and the clerk served it. No suit was filed and per 713.22 the lien is extinguished automatically. But how do they show that in public records? I have not had this issue before. Thank you for the help. Best regards, Daniel Greene Daniel M. Greene, P.A. Florida Board Certified in Construction Law Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil and Appellate Mediator P.O. Box 3092 Orlando, FL 32802-3092 407-448-5391 www.dangreenelaw.com<http://www.dangreenelaw.com> dan@dangreenelaw.com<mailto:dan@dangreenelaw.com> dangreenelaw@gmail.com<mailto:dangreenelaw@gmail.com> To ensure compliance with Treasury Regulations (31 CFR Part 10, Sec. 10.35), we inform you that any tax advice contained in this correspondence was not intended or written by us to be used, and cannot be used by you or anyone else, for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed by the Internal Revenue Code. ___________ NOTE: This e-mail is from Daniel M. Greene, P.A., and is intended for the recipient(s)only. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately, delete the e-mail and do not copy or disclose it. If you are not an existing client, do not construe anything in this e-mail to make you a client unless it contains a specific statement to that effect and do not disclose anything to Daniel M. Greene, P.A. that you expect to be confidential. If you properly received this e-mail as a client, co-counsel or retained expert, you should maintain its contents in confidence to preserve the attorney-client or work product privilege. This email message has been delivered safely and archived online by Mimecast. For more information please visit http://www.mimecast.com
RC
RPPTL CLC-Discussion
Wed, Sep 6, 2023 2:22 PM

This is a great question from a title perspective. Scott is correct that it is self executing, but if you're trying to get clear title for either a sale or new loan, there's not an easy answer. If it were 100% guaranteed that someone filing suit would record a notice of lis pendens, then the absence of that document in the public records would clear it up, but that's not a 100% guarantee.

Sometimes a title insurer will insure after 60 days (after they probably also check the clerk's docket). But sometimes they won't. I have a couple of times in the past prepared an affidavit for recording that would recite recording and service of the notice of contest (attaching as exhibits the recorded notice and hopefully proof of service from the Clerk), and that I've reviewed the public records and there was no notice of lis pendens recorded, and that I've reviewed the docket and could find no suit that was filed. I suppose that's in theory like the "title opinions" that attorneys used to issue (although those weren't recorded). I think on the most recent one I did (which was probably several years ago) I put in the affidavit the search terms I had used for the searches for the suit and the notice of lis pendens and may have even attached copies of results. It's hard to prove a negative....

You also need to check that it was actually served by the clerk. I had one years ago where the clerk didn't serve it (despite saying they did on the face of the recorded notice of contest), and when the suit was filed, we got into a spat about it. The case ultimately settled so there was never a legal ruling, although I have in my head that there is a published opinion out there where something similar happened, but I don't recall the outcome. Perhaps someone in this august group will have that more at hand than I do.

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Hello:

I have a client that recorded the Notice of Contest of Lien and the clerk served it.  No suit was filed and per 713.22 the lien is extinguished automatically.
But how do they show that in public records?  I have not had this issue before. Thank you for the help.

Best regards,

Daniel Greene
Daniel M. Greene, P.A.
Florida Board Certified in Construction Law
Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil and Appellate Mediator
P.O. Box 3092
Orlando, FL 32802-3092
407-448-5391
https://link.edgepilot.com/s/358b25c8/bpkMReFyR0q8cBkR_JUvDg?u=http://www.dangreenelaw.com/
dan@dangreenelaw.com
dangreenelaw@gmail.com

To ensure compliance with Treasury Regulations (31 CFR Part 10, Sec. 10.35), we inform you that any tax advice contained in this correspondence was not intended or written by us to be used, and cannot be used by you or anyone else, for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed by the Internal Revenue Code.


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This is a great question from a title perspective. Scott is correct that it is self executing, but if you're trying to get clear title for either a sale or new loan, there's not an easy answer. If it were 100% guaranteed that someone filing suit would record a notice of lis pendens, then the absence of that document in the public records would clear it up, but that's not a 100% guarantee. Sometimes a title insurer will insure after 60 days (after they probably also check the clerk's docket). But sometimes they won't. I have a couple of times in the past prepared an affidavit for recording that would recite recording and service of the notice of contest (attaching as exhibits the recorded notice and hopefully proof of service from the Clerk), and that I've reviewed the public records and there was no notice of lis pendens recorded, and that I've reviewed the docket and could find no suit that was filed. I suppose that's in theory like the "title opinions" that attorneys used to issue (although those weren't recorded). I think on the most recent one I did (which was probably several years ago) I put in the affidavit the search terms I had used for the searches for the suit and the notice of lis pendens and may have even attached copies of results. It's hard to prove a negative.... You also need to check that it was actually served by the clerk. I had one years ago where the clerk didn't serve it (despite saying they did on the face of the recorded notice of contest), and when the suit was filed, we got into a spat about it. The case ultimately settled so there was never a legal ruling, although I have in my head that there is a published opinion out there where something similar happened, but I don't recall the outcome. Perhaps someone in this august group will have that more at hand than I do. Bruce Partington | Shareholder bpartington@clarkpartington.com<mailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com> | (850) 432-1399<callto:(850)%20432-1399> CLARK PARTINGTON Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340 125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor Pensacola, Florida 32502 clarkpartington.com<https://clarkpartington.com/> [cid:logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg] Bruce Partington | Shareholder Board Certified Specialist in Construction Law bpartington@clarkpartington.com<mailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com> | (850) 432-1399 CLARK PARTINGTON Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340 125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor Pensacola, Florida 32502 clarkpartington.com<https://clarkpartington.com/> [cid:logo4_d1062d3d-30e4-47df-99af-a59488723ed9.jpg]<http://clarkpartington.com/> ________________________________ From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> on behalf of RPPTL CLC-Discussion <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 8:50:32 AM To: RPPTL CLC-Discussion Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question Hello: I have a client that recorded the Notice of Contest of Lien and the clerk served it. No suit was filed and per 713.22 the lien is extinguished automatically. But how do they show that in public records? I have not had this issue before. Thank you for the help. Best regards, Daniel Greene Daniel M. Greene, P.A. Florida Board Certified in Construction Law Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil and Appellate Mediator P.O. Box 3092 Orlando, FL 32802-3092 407-448-5391 https://link.edgepilot.com/s/358b25c8/bpkMReFyR0q8cBkR_JUvDg?u=http://www.dangreenelaw.com/ dan@dangreenelaw.com dangreenelaw@gmail.com To ensure compliance with Treasury Regulations (31 CFR Part 10, Sec. 10.35), we inform you that any tax advice contained in this correspondence was not intended or written by us to be used, and cannot be used by you or anyone else, for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed by the Internal Revenue Code. ___________ NOTE: This e-mail is from Daniel M. Greene, P.A., and is intended for the recipient(s)only. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately, delete the e-mail and do not copy or disclose it. If you are not an existing client, do not construe anything in this e-mail to make you a client unless it contains a specific statement to that effect and do not disclose anything to Daniel M. Greene, P.A. that you expect to be confidential. If you properly received this e-mail as a client, co-counsel or retained expert, you should maintain its contents in confidence to preserve the attorney-client or work product privilege.
RC
RPPTL CLC-Discussion
Wed, Sep 6, 2023 2:32 PM

Nothing further needs to be recorded.  The recording of the lien and the NOC can still be seen in the public records, but the lien is no longer a cloud on title upon expiration of the NOC.  It should not be included in any buyer's commitment or other title search.  If it does, I would contact the underwriter and challenge it and they should remove it from the commitment because it is no longer a cloud on title upon expiration of the NOC.

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Hello:

I have a client that recorded the Notice of Contest of Lien and the clerk served it.  No suit was filed and per 713.22 the lien is extinguished automatically.
But how do they show that in public records?  I have not had this issue before. Thank you for the help.

Best regards,

Daniel Greene
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Nothing further needs to be recorded. The recording of the lien and the NOC can still be seen in the public records, but the lien is no longer a cloud on title upon expiration of the NOC. It should not be included in any buyer's commitment or other title search. If it does, I would contact the underwriter and challenge it and they should remove it from the commitment because it is no longer a cloud on title upon expiration of the NOC. [cid:image001.jpg@01D9E0AD.75559F90] Sherry A. Lambson-Eisele Partner- Business Litigation Practice Group Leader Boyd & Jenerette, P.A. 2290 Lucien Way, Suite 260 Maitland, FL 32751 _________________________________________ Office: (407) 309-4760 x621 Direct: (407) 309-4758 Cell: (407) 405-8801 www.boydjen.com<http://www.boydjen.com> Download vCard<http://www.boydjen.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Sherry-A-Eisele.vcf> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of RPPTL CLC-Discussion Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 9:51 AM To: RPPTL CLC-Discussion <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question Hello: I have a client that recorded the Notice of Contest of Lien and the clerk served it. No suit was filed and per 713.22 the lien is extinguished automatically. But how do they show that in public records? I have not had this issue before. Thank you for the help. Best regards, Daniel Greene Daniel M. Greene, P.A. Florida Board Certified in Construction Law Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil and Appellate Mediator P.O. Box 3092 Orlando, FL 32802-3092 407-448-5391 https://link.edgepilot.com/s/cfffa2b0/NHGtSHMn00GKdnsrZmhDfQ?u=http://www.dangreenelaw.com/ dan@dangreenelaw.com<mailto:dan@dangreenelaw.com> dangreenelaw@gmail.com<mailto:dangreenelaw@gmail.com> To ensure compliance with Treasury Regulations (31 CFR Part 10, Sec. 10.35), we inform you that any tax advice contained in this correspondence was not intended or written by us to be used, and cannot be used by you or anyone else, for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed by the Internal Revenue Code. ___________ NOTE: This e-mail is from Daniel M. Greene, P.A., and is intended for the recipient(s)only. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately, delete the e-mail and do not copy or disclose it. If you are not an existing client, do not construe anything in this e-mail to make you a client unless it contains a specific statement to that effect and do not disclose anything to Daniel M. Greene, P.A. that you expect to be confidential. If you properly received this e-mail as a client, co-counsel or retained expert, you should maintain its contents in confidence to preserve the attorney-client or work product privilege. Boyd & Jenerette utilizes spam and junk email filtration applications in its email information systems. These systems may prevent or delay delivery of certain email communications. If you do not receive a timely response to an email communication, please contact the intended recipient via phone. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information and all attachments contained in this electronic communication are legally privileged and confidential information, subject to the attorney-client privilege and intended only for the use of the intended recipients. If the reader of this message is not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately of the error by return email and please permanently remove any copies of this message from your system and do not retain any copies, whether in electronic or physical form or otherwise.
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Wed, Sep 6, 2023 2:38 PM

There is a recent case in Fla L. Weekly that was remanded to the trial court for other reasons, but instructed the trial judge to enter an order discharging the  lien.
For what its worth.

J. Thomas McKeel, Esq.
J. Thomas McKeel, P.A.
303 Centre Street, Suite 103
Fernandina Beach, FL  32034
jtm@mckeellaw.com
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This is a great question from a title perspective. Scott is correct that it is self executing, but if you're trying to get clear title for either a sale or new loan, there's not an easy answer. If it were 100% guaranteed that someone filing suit would record a notice of lis pendens, then the absence of that document in the public records would clear it up, but that's not a 100% guarantee.

Sometimes a title insurer will insure after 60 days (after they probably also check the clerk's docket). But sometimes they won't. I have a couple of times in the past prepared an affidavit for recording that would recite recording and service of the notice of contest (attaching as exhibits the recorded notice and hopefully proof of service from the Clerk), and that I've reviewed the public records and there was no notice of lis pendens recorded, and that I've reviewed the docket and could find no suit that was filed. I suppose that's in theory like the "title opinions" that attorneys used to issue (although those weren't recorded). I think on the most recent one I did (which was probably several years ago) I put in the affidavit the search terms I had used for the searches for the suit and the notice of lis pendens and may have even attached copies of results. It's hard to prove a negative....

You also need to check that it was actually served by the clerk. I had one years ago where the clerk didn't serve it (despite saying they did on the face of the recorded notice of contest), and when the suit was filed, we got into a spat about it. The case ultimately settled so there was never a legal ruling, although I have in my head that there is a published opinion out there where something similar happened, but I don't recall the outcome. Perhaps someone in this august group will have that more at hand than I do.

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Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question

Hello:

I have a client that recorded the Notice of Contest of Lien and the clerk served it.  No suit was filed and per 713.22 the lien is extinguished automatically.
But how do they show that in public records?  I have not had this issue before. Thank you for the help.

Best regards,

Daniel Greene
Daniel M. Greene, P.A.
Florida Board Certified in Construction Law Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil and Appellate Mediator P.O. Box 3092 Orlando, FL 32802-3092
407-448-5391
https://link.edgepilot.com/s/358b25c8/bpkMReFyR0q8cBkR_JUvDg?u=http://www.dangreenelaw.com/
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There is a recent case in Fla L. Weekly that was remanded to the trial court for other reasons, but instructed the trial judge to enter an order discharging the lien. For what its worth. J. Thomas McKeel, Esq. J. Thomas McKeel, P.A. 303 Centre Street, Suite 103 Fernandina Beach, FL 32034 jtm@mckeellaw.com 904-261-9437 -----Original Message----- From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of RPPTL CLC-Discussion Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 10:23 AM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question This is a great question from a title perspective. Scott is correct that it is self executing, but if you're trying to get clear title for either a sale or new loan, there's not an easy answer. If it were 100% guaranteed that someone filing suit would record a notice of lis pendens, then the absence of that document in the public records would clear it up, but that's not a 100% guarantee. Sometimes a title insurer will insure after 60 days (after they probably also check the clerk's docket). But sometimes they won't. I have a couple of times in the past prepared an affidavit for recording that would recite recording and service of the notice of contest (attaching as exhibits the recorded notice and hopefully proof of service from the Clerk), and that I've reviewed the public records and there was no notice of lis pendens recorded, and that I've reviewed the docket and could find no suit that was filed. I suppose that's in theory like the "title opinions" that attorneys used to issue (although those weren't recorded). I think on the most recent one I did (which was probably several years ago) I put in the affidavit the search terms I had used for the searches for the suit and the notice of lis pendens and may have even attached copies of results. It's hard to prove a negative.... You also need to check that it was actually served by the clerk. I had one years ago where the clerk didn't serve it (despite saying they did on the face of the recorded notice of contest), and when the suit was filed, we got into a spat about it. The case ultimately settled so there was never a legal ruling, although I have in my head that there is a published opinion out there where something similar happened, but I don't recall the outcome. Perhaps someone in this august group will have that more at hand than I do. Bruce Partington | Shareholder bpartington@clarkpartington.com<mailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com> | (850) 432-1399<callto:(850)%20432-1399> CLARK PARTINGTON Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340 125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor Pensacola, Florida 32502 clarkpartington.com<https://clarkpartington.com/> [cid:logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg] Bruce Partington | Shareholder Board Certified Specialist in Construction Law bpartington@clarkpartington.com<mailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com> | (850) 432-1399 CLARK PARTINGTON Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340 125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor Pensacola, Florida 32502 clarkpartington.com<https://clarkpartington.com/> [cid:logo4_d1062d3d-30e4-47df-99af-a59488723ed9.jpg]<http://clarkpartington.com/> ________________________________ From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> on behalf of RPPTL CLC-Discussion <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 8:50:32 AM To: RPPTL CLC-Discussion Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question Hello: I have a client that recorded the Notice of Contest of Lien and the clerk served it. No suit was filed and per 713.22 the lien is extinguished automatically. But how do they show that in public records? I have not had this issue before. Thank you for the help. Best regards, Daniel Greene Daniel M. Greene, P.A. Florida Board Certified in Construction Law Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil and Appellate Mediator P.O. Box 3092 Orlando, FL 32802-3092 407-448-5391 https://link.edgepilot.com/s/358b25c8/bpkMReFyR0q8cBkR_JUvDg?u=http://www.dangreenelaw.com/ dan@dangreenelaw.com dangreenelaw@gmail.com To ensure compliance with Treasury Regulations (31 CFR Part 10, Sec. 10.35), we inform you that any tax advice contained in this correspondence was not intended or written by us to be used, and cannot be used by you or anyone else, for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed by the Internal Revenue Code. ___________ NOTE: This e-mail is from Daniel M. Greene, P.A., and is intended for the recipient(s)only. 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RC
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Wed, Sep 6, 2023 2:49 PM

Having the trial judge enter an order discharging the lien is the best way to proceed since title insurers are unlikely to trust the potential non-existence of an event as a basis to underwrite title.  Trusting that a title company will proceed simply by showing the existence of the lawsuit and lienor's failure to file a counterclaim within 20 days will, in my experience, result in a delayed closing.  I would take the extra step and make sure the transaction is not scuttled.

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There is a recent case in Fla L. Weekly that was remanded to the trial court for other reasons, but instructed the trial judge to enter an order discharging the  lien.

For what its worth.

J. Thomas McKeel, Esq.

J. Thomas McKeel, P.A.

303 Centre Street, Suite 103

Fernandina Beach, FL  32034

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This is a great question from a title perspective. Scott is correct that it is self executing, but if you're trying to get clear title for either a sale or new loan, there's not an easy answer. If it were 100% guaranteed that someone filing suit would record a notice of lis pendens, then the absence of that document in the public records would clear it up, but that's not a 100% guarantee.

Sometimes a title insurer will insure after 60 days (after they probably also check the clerk's docket). But sometimes they won't. I have a couple of times in the past prepared an affidavit for recording that would recite recording and service of the notice of contest (attaching as exhibits the recorded notice and hopefully proof of service from the Clerk), and that I've reviewed the public records and there was no notice of lis pendens recorded, and that I've reviewed the docket and could find no suit that was filed. I suppose that's in theory like the "title opinions" that attorneys used to issue (although those weren't recorded). I think on the most recent one I did (which was probably several years ago) I put in the affidavit the search terms I had used for the searches for the suit and the notice of lis pendens and may have even attached copies of results. It's hard to prove a negative....

You also need to check that it was actually served by the clerk. I had one years ago where the clerk didn't serve it (despite saying they did on the face of the recorded notice of contest), and when the suit was filed, we got into a spat about it. The case ultimately settled so there was never a legal ruling, although I have in my head that there is a published opinion out there where something similar happened, but I don't recall the outcome. Perhaps someone in this august group will have that more at hand than I do.

Bruce Partington | Shareholder

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Hello:

I have a client that recorded the Notice of Contest of Lien and the clerk served it.  No suit was filed and per 713.22 the lien is extinguished automatically.

But how do they show that in public records?  I have not had this issue before. Thank you for the help.

Best regards,

Daniel Greene

Daniel M. Greene, P.A.

Florida Board Certified in Construction Law Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil and Appellate Mediator P.O. Box 3092 Orlando, FL 32802-3092

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Having the trial judge enter an order discharging the lien is the best way to proceed since title insurers are unlikely to trust the potential non-existence of an event as a basis to underwrite title. Trusting that a title company will proceed simply by showing the existence of the lawsuit and lienor's failure to file a counterclaim within 20 days will, in my experience, result in a delayed closing. I would take the extra step and make sure the transaction is not scuttled. Chip Bachara Managing Partner - Board Certified in Construction Law BACHARA CONSTRUCTION LAW GROUP One Independent Dr., Ste. 1800, Jacksonville, FL 32202 Phone: 904.562.1060 | Direct Line: 904.562.1066 Website | Biography | Download vCard Confidentiality Notice: This message is being sent by or on behalf of a lawyer. It is intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. 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Thomas McKeel, P.A. 303 Centre Street, Suite 103 Fernandina Beach, FL 32034 jtm@mckeellaw.com<mailto:jtm@mckeellaw.com> 904-261-9437 -----Original Message----- From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> On Behalf Of RPPTL CLC-Discussion Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 10:23 AM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question This is a great question from a title perspective. Scott is correct that it is self executing, but if you're trying to get clear title for either a sale or new loan, there's not an easy answer. If it were 100% guaranteed that someone filing suit would record a notice of lis pendens, then the absence of that document in the public records would clear it up, but that's not a 100% guarantee. Sometimes a title insurer will insure after 60 days (after they probably also check the clerk's docket). But sometimes they won't. I have a couple of times in the past prepared an affidavit for recording that would recite recording and service of the notice of contest (attaching as exhibits the recorded notice and hopefully proof of service from the Clerk), and that I've reviewed the public records and there was no notice of lis pendens recorded, and that I've reviewed the docket and could find no suit that was filed. I suppose that's in theory like the "title opinions" that attorneys used to issue (although those weren't recorded). I think on the most recent one I did (which was probably several years ago) I put in the affidavit the search terms I had used for the searches for the suit and the notice of lis pendens and may have even attached copies of results. It's hard to prove a negative.... You also need to check that it was actually served by the clerk. I had one years ago where the clerk didn't serve it (despite saying they did on the face of the recorded notice of contest), and when the suit was filed, we got into a spat about it. The case ultimately settled so there was never a legal ruling, although I have in my head that there is a published opinion out there where something similar happened, but I don't recall the outcome. Perhaps someone in this august group will have that more at hand than I do. 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No suit was filed and per 713.22 the lien is extinguished automatically. But how do they show that in public records? I have not had this issue before. Thank you for the help. Best regards, Daniel Greene Daniel M. Greene, P.A. Florida Board Certified in Construction Law Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil and Appellate Mediator P.O. Box 3092 Orlando, FL 32802-3092 407-448-5391 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__link.edgepilot.com_s_358b25c8_bpkMReFyR0q8cBkR-5FJUvDg-3Fu-3Dhttp-3A__www.dangreenelaw.com_&d=DwICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=iQXiL3peYedbGnRTjOumbsk5OjqSk9e1_HFDlIssKw4&m=jHgmd93bWK3xGJ5tc8OsTGA7-C6sVDrsmdxZF8-qZJ4rmZSFQcbrbsOAi-m4s9ef&s=M_d9qihTb2NV4rUc60EEo2DSL7Ynb5NKDpxI0dwJYXw&e= dan@dangreenelaw.com<mailto:dan@dangreenelaw.com> dangreenelaw@gmail.com<mailto:dangreenelaw@gmail.com> To ensure compliance with Treasury Regulations (31 CFR Part 10, Sec. 10.35), we inform you that any tax advice contained in this correspondence was not intended or written by us to be used, and cannot be used by you or anyone else, for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed by the Internal Revenue Code. ___________ NOTE: This e-mail is from Daniel M. Greene, P.A., and is intended for the recipient(s)only. 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Our experience is that title examiners are a cross between the oracle in
"The Matrix" and the "precogs" in "Minority Report," and that their
conclusions and concerns are both untethered from the Florida Construction
Lien Law and, therefore, immune from divination by mere mortals (i.e.,
construction lawyers). Just our $0.02.

Bryan L. Capps, Esq.

Board Certified in Construction Law by The Florida Bar

The Construction Law Firm

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Orlando, FL 32856

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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question

Having the trial judge enter an order discharging the lien is the best way
to proceed since title insurers are unlikely to trust the potential
non-existence of an event as a basis to underwrite title.  Trusting that a
title company will proceed simply by showing the existence of the lawsuit
and lienor's failure to file a counterclaim within 20 days will, in my
experience, result in a delayed closing.  I would take the extra step and
make sure the transaction is not scuttled.

Chip Bachara

Managing Partner - Board Certified in Construction Law

BACHARA CONSTRUCTION LAW GROUP

One Independent Dr., Ste. 1800, Jacksonville, FL 32202

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There is a recent case in Fla L. Weekly that was remanded to the trial court
for other reasons, but instructed the trial judge to enter an order
discharging the  lien.

For what its worth.

J. Thomas McKeel, Esq.

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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question

This is a great question from a title perspective. Scott is correct that it
is self executing, but if you're trying to get clear title for either a sale
or new loan, there's not an easy answer. If it were 100% guaranteed that
someone filing suit would record a notice of lis pendens, then the absence
of that document in the public records would clear it up, but that's not a
100% guarantee.

Sometimes a title insurer will insure after 60 days (after they probably
also check the clerk's docket). But sometimes they won't. I have a couple of
times in the past prepared an affidavit for recording that would recite
recording and service of the notice of contest (attaching as exhibits the
recorded notice and hopefully proof of service from the Clerk), and that
I've reviewed the public records and there was no notice of lis pendens
recorded, and that I've reviewed the docket and could find no suit that was
filed. I suppose that's in theory like the "title opinions" that attorneys
used to issue (although those weren't recorded). I think on the most recent
one I did (which was probably several years ago) I put in the affidavit the
search terms I had used for the searches for the suit and the notice of lis
pendens and may have even attached copies of results. It's hard to prove a
negative....

You also need to check that it was actually served by the clerk. I had one
years ago where the clerk didn't serve it (despite saying they did on the
face of the recorded notice of contest), and when the suit was filed, we got
into a spat about it. The case ultimately settled so there was never a legal
ruling, although I have in my head that there is a published opinion out
there where something similar happened, but I don't recall the outcome.
Perhaps someone in this august group will have that more at hand than I do.

Bruce Partington | Shareholder

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I have a client that recorded the Notice of Contest of Lien and the clerk
served it.  No suit was filed and per 713.22 the lien is extinguished
automatically.

But how do they show that in public records?  I have not had this issue
before. Thank you for the help.

Best regards,

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Our experience is that title examiners are a cross between the oracle in "The Matrix" and the "precogs" in "Minority Report," and that their conclusions and concerns are both untethered from the Florida Construction Lien Law and, therefore, immune from divination by mere mortals (i.e., construction lawyers). Just our $0.02. Bryan L. Capps, Esq. Board Certified in Construction Law by The Florida Bar The Construction Law Firm P.O. Box 560693 Orlando, FL 32856 (407) 674-0674 (407) 808-0098 bcapps@theconstructionlawfirm.com <mailto:bcapps@theconstructionlawfirm.com> www.theconstructionlawfirm.com <http://www.theconstructionlawfirm.com/> Offices: Orlando From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of RPPTL CLC-Discussion Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 10:49 AM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question Having the trial judge enter an order discharging the lien is the best way to proceed since title insurers are unlikely to trust the potential non-existence of an event as a basis to underwrite title. Trusting that a title company will proceed simply by showing the existence of the lawsuit and lienor's failure to file a counterclaim within 20 days will, in my experience, result in a delayed closing. I would take the extra step and make sure the transaction is not scuttled. Chip Bachara Managing Partner - Board Certified in Construction Law BACHARA CONSTRUCTION LAW GROUP One Independent Dr., Ste. 1800, Jacksonville, FL 32202 Phone: 904.562.1060 | Direct Line: 904.562.1066 Website | Biography | Download vCard Confidentiality Notice: This message is being sent by or on behalf of a lawyer. It is intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is proprietary, privileged or confidential or otherwise legally exempt from disclosure. If you are not the named addressee, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message or any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and delete all copies of the message. -----Original Message----- From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> > On Behalf Of RPPTL CLC-Discussion Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 10:39 AM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org <mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question There is a recent case in Fla L. Weekly that was remanded to the trial court for other reasons, but instructed the trial judge to enter an order discharging the lien. For what its worth. J. Thomas McKeel, Esq. J. Thomas McKeel, P.A. 303 Centre Street, Suite 103 Fernandina Beach, FL 32034 <mailto:jtm@mckeellaw.com> jtm@mckeellaw.com 904-261-9437 -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org < <mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of RPPTL CLC-Discussion Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 10:23 AM To: <mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question This is a great question from a title perspective. Scott is correct that it is self executing, but if you're trying to get clear title for either a sale or new loan, there's not an easy answer. If it were 100% guaranteed that someone filing suit would record a notice of lis pendens, then the absence of that document in the public records would clear it up, but that's not a 100% guarantee. Sometimes a title insurer will insure after 60 days (after they probably also check the clerk's docket). But sometimes they won't. I have a couple of times in the past prepared an affidavit for recording that would recite recording and service of the notice of contest (attaching as exhibits the recorded notice and hopefully proof of service from the Clerk), and that I've reviewed the public records and there was no notice of lis pendens recorded, and that I've reviewed the docket and could find no suit that was filed. I suppose that's in theory like the "title opinions" that attorneys used to issue (although those weren't recorded). I think on the most recent one I did (which was probably several years ago) I put in the affidavit the search terms I had used for the searches for the suit and the notice of lis pendens and may have even attached copies of results. It's hard to prove a negative.... You also need to check that it was actually served by the clerk. I had one years ago where the clerk didn't serve it (despite saying they did on the face of the recorded notice of contest), and when the suit was filed, we got into a spat about it. The case ultimately settled so there was never a legal ruling, although I have in my head that there is a published opinion out there where something similar happened, but I don't recall the outcome. Perhaps someone in this august group will have that more at hand than I do. 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No suit was filed and per 713.22 the lien is extinguished automatically. But how do they show that in public records? I have not had this issue before. Thank you for the help. Best regards, Daniel Greene Daniel M. Greene, P.A. Florida Board Certified in Construction Law Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil and Appellate Mediator P.O. 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The title company should remove the exception.  At a minimum, they likely will with an affidavit by the seller that no suit was filed within the statutory time limit.

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Our experience is that title examiners are a cross between the oracle in "The Matrix" and the "precogs" in "Minority Report," and that their conclusions and concerns are both untethered from the Florida Construction Lien Law and, therefore, immune from divination by mere mortals (i.e., construction lawyers). Just our $0.02...

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Having the trial judge enter an order discharging the lien is the best way to proceed since title insurers are unlikely to trust the potential non-existence of an event as a basis to underwrite title.  Trusting that a title company will proceed simply by showing the existence of the lawsuit and lienor's failure to file a counterclaim within 20 days will, in my experience, result in a delayed closing.  I would take the extra step and make sure the transaction is not scuttled.

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There is a recent case in Fla L. Weekly that was remanded to the trial court for other reasons, but instructed the trial judge to enter an order discharging the  lien.

For what its worth.

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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question

This is a great question from a title perspective. Scott is correct that it is self executing, but if you're trying to get clear title for either a sale or new loan, there's not an easy answer. If it were 100% guaranteed that someone filing suit would record a notice of lis pendens, then the absence of that document in the public records would clear it up, but that's not a 100% guarantee.

Sometimes a title insurer will insure after 60 days (after they probably also check the clerk's docket). But sometimes they won't. I have a couple of times in the past prepared an affidavit for recording that would recite recording and service of the notice of contest (attaching as exhibits the recorded notice and hopefully proof of service from the Clerk), and that I've reviewed the public records and there was no notice of lis pendens recorded, and that I've reviewed the docket and could find no suit that was filed. I suppose that's in theory like the "title opinions" that attorneys used to issue (although those weren't recorded). I think on the most recent one I did (which was probably several years ago) I put in the affidavit the search terms I had used for the searches for the suit and the notice of lis pendens and may have even attached copies of results. It's hard to prove a negative....

You also need to check that it was actually served by the clerk. I had one years ago where the clerk didn't serve it (despite saying they did on the face of the recorded notice of contest), and when the suit was filed, we got into a spat about it. The case ultimately settled so there was never a legal ruling, although I have in my head that there is a published opinion out there where something similar happened, but I don't recall the outcome. Perhaps someone in this august group will have that more at hand than I do.

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Hello:

I have a client that recorded the Notice of Contest of Lien and the clerk served it.  No suit was filed and per 713.22 the lien is extinguished automatically.

But how do they show that in public records?  I have not had this issue before. Thank you for the help.

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The title company should remove the exception. At a minimum, they likely will with an affidavit by the seller that no suit was filed within the statutory time limit. R.J. Haughey II Sivyer Barlow Watson & Haughey, P.A. Truist Place 401 E. Jackson St. Suite 2225 Tampa, Florida 33602 www.sbwhlegal.com<http://www.sbwhlegal.com/> Main - 813.221.4242 Fax - 813.227.8598 rhaughey@sbwhlegal.com<mailto:rhaughey@sbwhlegal.com> [cid:image007.png@01D9E0C1.75A8B180] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information contained in this transmission is privileged and confidential information intended to be delivered to, and for the use of, only the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It may contain information that is confidential, proprietary, attorney work product, attorney-client privileged, or subject to other doctrines and/or privileges recognized under applicable law. 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From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of RPPTL CLC-Discussion Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 12:38 PM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question Our experience is that title examiners are a cross between the oracle in "The Matrix" and the "precogs" in "Minority Report," and that their conclusions and concerns are both untethered from the Florida Construction Lien Law and, therefore, immune from divination by mere mortals (i.e., construction lawyers). Just our $0.02... Bryan L. Capps, Esq. [Logo Description automatically generated with medium confidence] Board Certified in Construction Law by The Florida Bar The Construction Law Firm P.O. Box 560693 Orlando, FL 32856 [cid:image010.png@01D9E0C1.75A8B180] (407) 674-0674 (407) 808-0098 [cid:image012.png@01D9E0C1.75A8B180] bcapps@theconstructionlawfirm.com<mailto:bcapps@theconstructionlawfirm.com> [cid:image013.png@01D9E0C1.75A8B180] www.theconstructionlawfirm.com<http://www.theconstructionlawfirm.com/> Offices: Orlando From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> On Behalf Of RPPTL CLC-Discussion Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 10:49 AM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question Having the trial judge enter an order discharging the lien is the best way to proceed since title insurers are unlikely to trust the potential non-existence of an event as a basis to underwrite title. Trusting that a title company will proceed simply by showing the existence of the lawsuit and lienor's failure to file a counterclaim within 20 days will, in my experience, result in a delayed closing. I would take the extra step and make sure the transaction is not scuttled. Chip Bachara Managing Partner - Board Certified in Construction Law BACHARA CONSTRUCTION LAW GROUP One Independent Dr., Ste. 1800, Jacksonville, FL 32202 Phone: 904.562.1060 | Direct Line: 904.562.1066 Website | Biography | Download vCard Confidentiality Notice: This message is being sent by or on behalf of a lawyer. It is intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is proprietary, privileged or confidential or otherwise legally exempt from disclosure. If you are not the named addressee, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message or any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and delete all copies of the message. -----Original Message----- From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> On Behalf Of RPPTL CLC-Discussion Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 10:39 AM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question There is a recent case in Fla L. Weekly that was remanded to the trial court for other reasons, but instructed the trial judge to enter an order discharging the lien. For what its worth. J. Thomas McKeel, Esq. J. Thomas McKeel, P.A. 303 Centre Street, Suite 103 Fernandina Beach, FL 32034 jtm@mckeellaw.com<mailto:jtm@mckeellaw.com> 904-261-9437 -----Original Message----- From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> On Behalf Of RPPTL CLC-Discussion Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 10:23 AM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question This is a great question from a title perspective. Scott is correct that it is self executing, but if you're trying to get clear title for either a sale or new loan, there's not an easy answer. If it were 100% guaranteed that someone filing suit would record a notice of lis pendens, then the absence of that document in the public records would clear it up, but that's not a 100% guarantee. Sometimes a title insurer will insure after 60 days (after they probably also check the clerk's docket). But sometimes they won't. I have a couple of times in the past prepared an affidavit for recording that would recite recording and service of the notice of contest (attaching as exhibits the recorded notice and hopefully proof of service from the Clerk), and that I've reviewed the public records and there was no notice of lis pendens recorded, and that I've reviewed the docket and could find no suit that was filed. I suppose that's in theory like the "title opinions" that attorneys used to issue (although those weren't recorded). I think on the most recent one I did (which was probably several years ago) I put in the affidavit the search terms I had used for the searches for the suit and the notice of lis pendens and may have even attached copies of results. It's hard to prove a negative.... You also need to check that it was actually served by the clerk. I had one years ago where the clerk didn't serve it (despite saying they did on the face of the recorded notice of contest), and when the suit was filed, we got into a spat about it. The case ultimately settled so there was never a legal ruling, although I have in my head that there is a published opinion out there where something similar happened, but I don't recall the outcome. Perhaps someone in this august group will have that more at hand than I do. 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No suit was filed and per 713.22 the lien is extinguished automatically. But how do they show that in public records? I have not had this issue before. Thank you for the help. Best regards, Daniel Greene Daniel M. Greene, P.A. Florida Board Certified in Construction Law Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil and Appellate Mediator P.O. 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I have been able to resolve that issue before with a letter from my office
to the title company explaining the circumstances.

On Thu, Sep 7, 2023, 11:54 AM RPPTL CLC-Discussion <
clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> wrote:

The title company should remove the exception.  At a minimum, they likely
will with an affidavit by the seller that no suit was filed within the
statutory time limit.

R.J. Haughey II

Sivyer Barlow Watson & Haughey, P.A.

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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question

Our experience is that title examiners are a cross between the oracle in
“The Matrix” and the “precogs” in “Minority Report,” and that their
conclusions and concerns are both untethered from the Florida Construction
Lien Law and, therefore, immune from divination by mere mortals (i.e.,
construction lawyers). Just our $0.02…

Bryan L. Capps, Esq.

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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question

Having the trial judge enter an order discharging the lien is the best way
to proceed since title insurers are unlikely to trust the potential
non-existence of an event as a basis to underwrite title.  Trusting that a
title company will proceed simply by showing the existence of the lawsuit
and lienor's failure to file a counterclaim within 20 days will, in my
experience, result in a delayed closing.  I would take the extra step and
make sure the transaction is not scuttled.

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Managing Partner – Board Certified in Construction Law

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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question

There is a recent case in Fla L. Weekly that was remanded to the trial
court for other reasons, but instructed the trial judge to enter an order
discharging the  lien.

For what its worth.

J. Thomas McKeel, Esq.

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Fernandina Beach, FL  32034

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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question

This is a great question from a title perspective. Scott is correct that
it is self executing, but if you're trying to get clear title for either a
sale or new loan, there's not an easy answer. If it were 100% guaranteed
that someone filing suit would record a notice of lis pendens, then the
absence of that document in the public records would clear it up, but
that's not a 100% guarantee.

Sometimes a title insurer will insure after 60 days (after they probably
also check the clerk's docket). But sometimes they won't. I have a couple
of times in the past prepared an affidavit for recording that would recite
recording and service of the notice of contest (attaching as exhibits the
recorded notice and hopefully proof of service from the Clerk), and that
I've reviewed the public records and there was no notice of lis pendens
recorded, and that I've reviewed the docket and could find no suit that was
filed. I suppose that's in theory like the "title opinions" that attorneys
used to issue (although those weren't recorded). I think on the most recent
one I did (which was probably several years ago) I put in the affidavit the
search terms I had used for the searches for the suit and the notice of lis
pendens and may have even attached copies of results. It's hard to prove a
negative....

You also need to check that it was actually served by the clerk. I had one
years ago where the clerk didn't serve it (despite saying they did on the
face of the recorded notice of contest), and when the suit was filed, we
got into a spat about it. The case ultimately settled so there was never a
legal ruling, although I have in my head that there is a published opinion
out there where something similar happened, but I don't recall the outcome.
Perhaps someone in this august group will have that more at hand than I do.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 8:50:32 AM

To: RPPTL CLC-Discussion

Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question

Hello:

I have a client that recorded the Notice of Contest of Lien and the clerk
served it.  No suit was filed and per 713.22 the lien is extinguished
automatically.

But how do they show that in public records?  I have not had this issue
before. Thank you for the help.

Best regards,

Daniel Greene

Daniel M. Greene, P.A.

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I have been able to resolve that issue before with a letter from my office to the title company explaining the circumstances. On Thu, Sep 7, 2023, 11:54 AM RPPTL CLC-Discussion < clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> wrote: > The title company should remove the exception. At a minimum, they likely > will with an affidavit by the seller that no suit was filed within the > statutory time limit. > > > > *R.J. Haughey II* > > Sivyer Barlow Watson & Haughey, P.A. > > Truist Place > > 401 E. Jackson St. > > Suite 2225 > > Tampa, Florida 33602 > > www.sbwhlegal.com > > Main – 813.221.4242 > > Fax – 813.227.8598 > > rhaughey@sbwhlegal.com > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information contained in this transmission is > privileged and confidential information intended to be delivered to, and > for the use of, only the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It may > contain information that is confidential, proprietary, attorney work > ­product, attorney-­client privileged, or subject to other doctrines and/or > privileges recognized under applicable law. If you are not the intended > recipient, do not read this message but instead please immediately notify > the sender by electronic mail and by telephone to (813) 221-4242 and obtain > instructions as to the disposal of the transmitted material. In no event is > this material to be read, used, copied, reproduced, stored, or retained by > anyone other than the named addressee(s) except with the express consent of > the sender. > > DISCLAIMER REGARDING UNIFORM ELECTRONIC TRANSACTIONS ACT (“UETA”) (FLORIDA > STATUTES SECTION 668.50): If this communication concerns negotiation of a > contract or agreement, UETA does not apply to this communication. Contract > formation in this matter shall occur only with manually affixed original > signatures on original documents. > > CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: To comply with U.S. Treasury Department and IRS > regulations, we are required to advise you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, any U.S. federal tax advice contained in this e-mail, including > attachments to this e-mail, is not intended or written to be used, and > cannot be used, by any person for the purpose of (1) avoiding penalties > under the U.S. Internal Revenue Code or (2) promoting, marketing, or > recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed in this > e-mail or attachment. > > > > *From:* clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org < > clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> *On Behalf Of *RPPTL > CLC-Discussion > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 6, 2023 12:38 PM > *To:* clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org > *Subject:* Re: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question > > > > Our experience is that title examiners are a cross between the oracle in > “The Matrix” and the “precogs” in “Minority Report,” and that their > conclusions and concerns are both untethered from the Florida Construction > Lien Law and, therefore, immune from divination by mere mortals (*i.e.*, > construction lawyers). Just our $0.02… > > > > *Bryan L. Capps, Esq.* > > [image: Logo Description automatically generated with medium confidence] > > *Board Certified in Construction Law by The Florida Bar* > > The Construction Law Firm > > P.O. Box 560693 > > Orlando, FL 32856 > > (407) 674-0674 > > (407) 808-0098 > > bcapps@theconstructionlawfirm.com > > www.theconstructionlawfirm.com > > Offices: *Orlando* > > > > *From:* clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org < > clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> *On Behalf Of *RPPTL > CLC-Discussion > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 6, 2023 10:49 AM > *To:* clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org > *Subject:* Re: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question > > > > Having the trial judge enter an order discharging the lien is the best way > to proceed since title insurers are unlikely to trust the potential > non-existence of an event as a basis to underwrite title. Trusting that a > title company will proceed simply by showing the existence of the lawsuit > and lienor's failure to file a counterclaim within 20 days will, in my > experience, result in a delayed closing. I would take the extra step and > make sure the transaction is not scuttled. > > > > > > Chip Bachara > > Managing Partner – Board Certified in Construction Law > > BACHARA CONSTRUCTION LAW GROUP > > One Independent Dr., Ste. 1800, Jacksonville, FL 32202 > > Phone: 904.562.1060 | Direct Line: 904.562.1066 > > Website | Biography | Download vCard > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This message is being sent by or on behalf of a > lawyer. It is intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it > is addressed. This communication may contain information that is > proprietary, privileged or confidential or otherwise legally exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the named addressee, you are not authorized to > read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message or any part of it. If > you have received this message in error, please notify the sender > immediately by e-mail and delete all copies of the message. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org < > clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of RPPTL > CLC-Discussion > Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 10:39 AM > To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org > Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question > > > > There is a recent case in Fla L. Weekly that was remanded to the trial > court for other reasons, but instructed the trial judge to enter an order > discharging the lien. > > For what its worth. > > > > J. Thomas McKeel, Esq. > > J. Thomas McKeel, P.A. > > 303 Centre Street, Suite 103 > > Fernandina Beach, FL 32034 > > jtm@mckeellaw.com > > 904-261-9437 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org < > clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of RPPTL > CLC-Discussion > > Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 10:23 AM > > To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org > > Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question > > > > This is a great question from a title perspective. Scott is correct that > it is self executing, but if you're trying to get clear title for either a > sale or new loan, there's not an easy answer. If it were 100% guaranteed > that someone filing suit would record a notice of lis pendens, then the > absence of that document in the public records would clear it up, but > that's not a 100% guarantee. > > > > > > Sometimes a title insurer will insure after 60 days (after they probably > also check the clerk's docket). But sometimes they won't. I have a couple > of times in the past prepared an affidavit for recording that would recite > recording and service of the notice of contest (attaching as exhibits the > recorded notice and hopefully proof of service from the Clerk), and that > I've reviewed the public records and there was no notice of lis pendens > recorded, and that I've reviewed the docket and could find no suit that was > filed. I suppose that's in theory like the "title opinions" that attorneys > used to issue (although those weren't recorded). I think on the most recent > one I did (which was probably several years ago) I put in the affidavit the > search terms I had used for the searches for the suit and the notice of lis > pendens and may have even attached copies of results. It's hard to prove a > negative.... > > > > > > You also need to check that it was actually served by the clerk. I had one > years ago where the clerk didn't serve it (despite saying they did on the > face of the recorded notice of contest), and when the suit was filed, we > got into a spat about it. The case ultimately settled so there was never a > legal ruling, although I have in my head that there is a published opinion > out there where something similar happened, but I don't recall the outcome. > Perhaps someone in this august group will have that more at hand than I do. > > > > > > Bruce Partington | Shareholder > > bpartington@clarkpartington.com<mailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com> | > (850) 432-1399<callto:(850)%20432-1399> CLARK PARTINGTON > > Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340 > > 125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor > > Pensacola, Florida 32502 > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__clarkpartington.com&d=DwICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=iQXiL3peYedbGnRTjOumbsk5OjqSk9e1_HFDlIssKw4&m=jHgmd93bWK3xGJ5tc8OsTGA7-C6sVDrsmdxZF8-qZJ4rmZSFQcbrbsOAi-m4s9ef&s=0PFEjlrJ6EY0EALfHXYR37CSm9Ju1y2D9NlVedh_EA4&e=<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__clarkpartington.com_&d=DwICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=iQXiL3peYedbGnRTjOumbsk5OjqSk9e1_HFDlIssKw4&m=jHgmd93bWK3xGJ5tc8OsTGA7-C6sVDrsmdxZF8-qZJ4rmZSFQcbrbsOAi-m4s9ef&s=1ho_34TxIrODfb7p_WgfFIa0KgH202cdNu95ZgDJhhU&e= > > > > [cid:logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg] > > > > > > Bruce Partington | Shareholder > > Board Certified Specialist in Construction Law > bpartington@clarkpartington.com<mailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com> | > (850) 432-1399 > > > > CLARK PARTINGTON > > Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340 > > 125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor > > Pensacola, Florida 32502 > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__clarkpartington.com&d=DwICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=iQXiL3peYedbGnRTjOumbsk5OjqSk9e1_HFDlIssKw4&m=jHgmd93bWK3xGJ5tc8OsTGA7-C6sVDrsmdxZF8-qZJ4rmZSFQcbrbsOAi-m4s9ef&s=0PFEjlrJ6EY0EALfHXYR37CSm9Ju1y2D9NlVedh_EA4&e=<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__clarkpartington.com_&d=DwICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=iQXiL3peYedbGnRTjOumbsk5OjqSk9e1_HFDlIssKw4&m=jHgmd93bWK3xGJ5tc8OsTGA7-C6sVDrsmdxZF8-qZJ4rmZSFQcbrbsOAi-m4s9ef&s=1ho_34TxIrODfb7p_WgfFIa0KgH202cdNu95ZgDJhhU&e= > > > > > > [cid:logo4_d1062d3d-30e4-47df-99af-a59488723ed9.jpg]< > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__clarkpartington.com_&d=DwICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=iQXiL3peYedbGnRTjOumbsk5OjqSk9e1_HFDlIssKw4&m=jHgmd93bWK3xGJ5tc8OsTGA7-C6sVDrsmdxZF8-qZJ4rmZSFQcbrbsOAi-m4s9ef&s=vvjpFPuQ4qusmSYyOWjbWNSD7o_ILBwzFrDuMT5SVks&e= > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org < > clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> on behalf of RPPTL > CLC-Discussion <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 8:50:32 AM > > To: RPPTL CLC-Discussion > > Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Notice of Contest of Lien question > > > > Hello: > > > > I have a client that recorded the Notice of Contest of Lien and the clerk > served it. No suit was filed and per 713.22 the lien is extinguished > automatically. > > But how do they show that in public records? I have not had this issue > before. Thank you for the help. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Daniel Greene > > Daniel M. Greene, P.A. > > Florida Board Certified in Construction Law Florida Supreme Court > Certified Circuit Civil and Appellate Mediator P.O. 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