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William H. Beaver II, Esquire
Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:41 PM
Hello Ms. Brindle:
Well, it appears, (and of course I was not at the hearing so, again, I use the term appears), that the Judge treated the "Amended" claim of lien as a new lien (despite the "amendment" language contained in the new lien) due to the work being provided under the contract up to and through the new final furnishing date. She then considered the action itself timely as it went to the "new" lien and new final furnishing date. Otherwise, you are correct in that the statute requires any amendment to be within the original statutory time frame, i.e., 90 days from final furnishing. It is confusing given the language utilized in the "Amended Claim of Lien". However, I believe my analysis is accurate given the new final furnishing date which would obviate the confines of the original lien and that no other legally plausible explanation is available. What was the your position regarding the new final furnishing date...in other words, did your client agree that work had been provided by the lienor pursuant to the direct contract up to and including the new lien date? If so, I think that further provides support for the position taken by the court. However, I would be interested to hear the responses from anyone else.
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Krista Brindle
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Hi all,
I got a bad ruling this afternoon and I was wondering if any of you know of some awesome caselaw that is on point off the top of your head...here's the facts:
Plaintiff filed Claim of Lien on May 28, 2009, alleging the last work was done on March 4, 2009.
Plaintiff filed an Amended Claim of Lien on April 7, 2010, alleging the last work was done on March 2, 2010, but specifically stating that it was being filed to amend the claim of lien from '09.
Plaintiff filed suit to foreclose the Amended Claim of Lien on March 30, 2011.
We filed a Motion to Dismiss for the Defendant, stating that the Amended Claim of Lien was way too late, pursuant to §713.08(4)(b) and the case of Hayutin v. Cochran Const. Co., Inc.
The Judge denied the Motion to Dismiss stating that since the Plaintiff was amending the last date of work performed, and since the amended claim of lien was filed within 90 days of that new date, then it was timely.
This seems to completely gut the statute and goes against the whole "strictly construed creature of statute" claim of lien law that I had learned. Am I crazy and the Judge is right or is she off base and I should be filing a Motion for Rehearing as soon as I can?
Thanks in advance for all your help, all you wonderful brilliant people!
Krista L. Brindle, Esq.
Andrew S. Epstein, P.A.
2120 McGregor Boulevard
Fort Myers, Florida 33901
Telephone: (239) 791-LAWS (5297)
Facsimile: (239) 791-0100
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Hello Ms. Brindle:
Well, it appears, (and of course I was not at the hearing so, again, I use the term appears), that the Judge treated the "Amended" claim of lien as a new lien (despite the "amendment" language contained in the new lien) due to the work being provided under the contract up to and through the new final furnishing date. She then considered the action itself timely as it went to the "new" lien and new final furnishing date. Otherwise, you are correct in that the statute requires any amendment to be within the original statutory time frame, i.e., 90 days from final furnishing. It is confusing given the language utilized in the "Amended Claim of Lien". However, I believe my analysis is accurate given the new final furnishing date which would obviate the confines of the original lien and that no other legally plausible explanation is available. What was the your position regarding the new final furnishing date...in other words, did your client agree that work had been provided by the lienor pursuant to the direct contract up to and including the new lien date? If so, I think that further provides support for the position taken by the court. However, I would be interested to hear the responses from anyone else.
________________________________
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Krista Brindle
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Hi all,
I got a bad ruling this afternoon and I was wondering if any of you know of some awesome caselaw that is on point off the top of your head...here's the facts:
Plaintiff filed Claim of Lien on May 28, 2009, alleging the last work was done on March 4, 2009.
Plaintiff filed an Amended Claim of Lien on April 7, 2010, alleging the last work was done on March 2, 2010, but specifically stating that it was being filed to amend the claim of lien from '09.
Plaintiff filed suit to foreclose the Amended Claim of Lien on March 30, 2011.
We filed a Motion to Dismiss for the Defendant, stating that the Amended Claim of Lien was way too late, pursuant to §713.08(4)(b) and the case of Hayutin v. Cochran Const. Co., Inc.
The Judge denied the Motion to Dismiss stating that since the Plaintiff was amending the last date of work performed, and since the amended claim of lien was filed within 90 days of that new date, then it was timely.
This seems to completely gut the statute and goes against the whole "strictly construed creature of statute" claim of lien law that I had learned. Am I crazy and the Judge is right or is she off base and I should be filing a Motion for Rehearing as soon as I can?
Thanks in advance for all your help, all you wonderful brilliant people!
Krista L. Brindle, Esq.
Andrew S. Epstein, P.A.
2120 McGregor Boulevard
Fort Myers, Florida 33901
Telephone: (239) 791-LAWS (5297)
Facsimile: (239) 791-0100
Confidentiality: This e-mail communication is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If you are not the addressee or an authorized representative, you are advised that any review, disclosure, reproduction, or other dissemination or use of this communication or any information contained herein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately advise the sender either by reply e-mail or call at (239) 791-5297; delete this communication and destroy all physical copies.
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________________________________
William H. Beaver II, Esquire
GrayRobinson, P.A.
301 East Pine Street, Suite 1400
P.O. Box 3068 (32802-3068)
Orlando, Florida 32801
Main: 407-843-8880 | Fax: 407-244-5690
Email: William.Beaver@gray-robinson.com
This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) or entity(s) named within the message. This e-mail might contain legally privileged and confidential information. If you properly received this e-mail as a client or retained expert, please hold it in confidence to protect the attorney-client or work product privileges. Should the intended recipient forward or disclose this message to another person or party, that action could constitute a waiver of the attorney-client privilege. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited by the sender and to do so might constitute a violation of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. section 2510-2521. If this communication was received in error we apologize for the intrusion. Please notify us by reply e-mail and delete the original message without reading same. Nothing in this e-mail message shall, in and of itself, create an attorney-client relationship with the sender.
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TM
Tom McKeel
Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:07 PM
For what it is worth, I enjoy and benefit from the questions and answers.
The reading is like a continuing CLE.
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Larry
Leiby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:34 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Krista,
I dont think that you are crazy, but I think that the trial court was
correct. In Hayutin the amended claim of lien was recorded more than 90
days after the date of last work recited in the amended claim of lien.
You still may be able to argue that you are prejudiced by the amendment, if
you can prove any prejudice. The lienor must still prove that it worked up
to the date alleged in the amended claim of lien, which work was not
warranty work.
Suggestion: When you ask a question like this you should include your
personal e-mail address so that responses need not go to all members of the
committee.
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Krista
Brindle
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Hi all,
I got a bad ruling this afternoon and I was wondering if any of you know of
some awesome caselaw that is on point off the top of your head
heres the
facts:
Plaintiff filed Claim of Lien on May 28, 2009, alleging the last work was
done on March 4, 2009.
Plaintiff filed an Amended Claim of Lien on April 7, 2010, alleging the last
work was done on March 2, 2010, but specifically stating that it was being
filed to amend the claim of lien from 09.
Plaintiff filed suit to foreclose the Amended Claim of Lien on March 30,
2011.
We filed a Motion to Dismiss for the Defendant, stating that the Amended
Claim of Lien was way too late, pursuant to §713.08(4)(b) and the case of
Hayutin v. Cochran Const. Co., Inc.
The Judge denied the Motion to Dismiss stating that since the Plaintiff was
amending the last date of work performed, and since the amended claim of
lien was filed within 90 days of that new date, then it was timely.
This seems to completely gut the statute and goes against the whole
strictly construed creature of statute claim of lien law that I had
learned. Am I crazy and the Judge is right or is she off base and I should
be filing a Motion for Rehearing as soon as I can?
Thanks in advance for all your help, all you wonderful brilliant people!
Krista L. Brindle, Esq.
Andrew S. Epstein, P.A.
2120 McGregor Boulevard
Fort Myers, Florida 33901
Telephone: (239) 791-LAWS (5297)
Facsimile: (239) 791-0100
Confidentiality: This e-mail communication is intended solely for the
addressee(s) and may contain legally privileged and confidential
information. If you are not the addressee or an authorized representative,
you are advised that any review, disclosure, reproduction, or other
dissemination or use of this communication or any information contained
herein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in
error, please immediately advise the sender either by reply e-mail or call
at (239) 791-5297; delete this communication and destroy all physical
copies.
All e-mail communications are electronically filtered for "spam" and
"viruses." Filtering may result in communications being quarantined (i.e.,
potentially not received at our site at all) or delayed in reaching us.
Therefore, we cannot guarantee that we will receive your e-mail or that we
will receive it in a timely manner. Accordingly, important or
time-sensitive communications should be sent to us by means other than
e-mail.
For what it is worth, I enjoy and benefit from the questions and answers.
The reading is like a continuing CLE.
_____
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Larry
Leiby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:34 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Krista,
I dont think that you are crazy, but I think that the trial court was
correct. In Hayutin the amended claim of lien was recorded more than 90
days after the date of last work recited in the amended claim of lien.
You still may be able to argue that you are prejudiced by the amendment, if
you can prove any prejudice. The lienor must still prove that it worked up
to the date alleged in the amended claim of lien, which work was not
warranty work.
Suggestion: When you ask a question like this you should include your
personal e-mail address so that responses need not go to all members of the
committee.
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Krista
Brindle
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Hi all,
I got a bad ruling this afternoon and I was wondering if any of you know of
some awesome caselaw that is on point off the top of your head
heres the
facts:
Plaintiff filed Claim of Lien on May 28, 2009, alleging the last work was
done on March 4, 2009.
Plaintiff filed an Amended Claim of Lien on April 7, 2010, alleging the last
work was done on March 2, 2010, but specifically stating that it was being
filed to amend the claim of lien from 09.
Plaintiff filed suit to foreclose the Amended Claim of Lien on March 30,
2011.
We filed a Motion to Dismiss for the Defendant, stating that the Amended
Claim of Lien was way too late, pursuant to §713.08(4)(b) and the case of
Hayutin v. Cochran Const. Co., Inc.
The Judge denied the Motion to Dismiss stating that since the Plaintiff was
amending the last date of work performed, and since the amended claim of
lien was filed within 90 days of that new date, then it was timely.
This seems to completely gut the statute and goes against the whole
strictly construed creature of statute claim of lien law that I had
learned. Am I crazy and the Judge is right or is she off base and I should
be filing a Motion for Rehearing as soon as I can?
Thanks in advance for all your help, all you wonderful brilliant people!
Krista L. Brindle, Esq.
Andrew S. Epstein, P.A.
2120 McGregor Boulevard
Fort Myers, Florida 33901
Telephone: (239) 791-LAWS (5297)
Facsimile: (239) 791-0100
Confidentiality: This e-mail communication is intended solely for the
addressee(s) and may contain legally privileged and confidential
information. If you are not the addressee or an authorized representative,
you are advised that any review, disclosure, reproduction, or other
dissemination or use of this communication or any information contained
herein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in
error, please immediately advise the sender either by reply e-mail or call
at (239) 791-5297; delete this communication and destroy all physical
copies.
All e-mail communications are electronically filtered for "spam" and
"viruses." Filtering may result in communications being quarantined (i.e.,
potentially not received at our site at all) or delayed in reaching us.
Therefore, we cannot guarantee that we will receive your e-mail or that we
will receive it in a timely manner. Accordingly, important or
time-sensitive communications should be sent to us by means other than
e-mail.
_____
EB
Eric Belsky
Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:31 PM
Personally, I enjoy reading these back-and-forth dialogues and really appreciate being included on the mailing list! The discussion is always lively and enlightening (even if purely academic) and on almost all occasions these exchanges tend to be pertinent to either something I'm working on, something I've got on the back-burner, or something likely to present itself in the future (which is why I save these discussions in my "Legal Research" folder for future reference). :) Of course, if it's something I genuinely have no interest in whatsoever, simply hitting the Delete button is no great hardship... Thanks!
Leiter || Belsky
[cid:image001.jpg@01CC567F.82B33640]
Eric G. Belsky, Esq.
Leiter & Belsky, P.A.
Blackstone Building, Third Floor
707 Southeast Third Avenue
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33316
954.462.3116 Telephone
954.761.8990 Facsimile
ebelsky@jlblaw.commailto:ebelsky@jlblaw.com
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Tom McKeel
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:08 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
For what it is worth, I enjoy and benefit from the questions and answers. The reading is like a continuing CLE.
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]mailto:[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Leiby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:34 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Krista,
I don't think that you are crazy, but I think that the trial court was correct. In Hayutin the amended claim of lien was recorded more than 90 days after the date of last work recited in the amended claim of lien.
You still may be able to argue that you are prejudiced by the amendment, if you can prove any prejudice. The lienor must still prove that it worked up to the date alleged in the amended claim of lien, which work was not warranty work.
Suggestion: When you ask a question like this you should include your personal e-mail address so that responses need not go to all members of the committee.
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.commailto:leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]mailto:[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Krista Brindle
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Hi all,
I got a bad ruling this afternoon and I was wondering if any of you know of some awesome caselaw that is on point off the top of your head...here's the facts:
Plaintiff filed Claim of Lien on May 28, 2009, alleging the last work was done on March 4, 2009.
Plaintiff filed an Amended Claim of Lien on April 7, 2010, alleging the last work was done on March 2, 2010, but specifically stating that it was being filed to amend the claim of lien from '09.
Plaintiff filed suit to foreclose the Amended Claim of Lien on March 30, 2011.
We filed a Motion to Dismiss for the Defendant, stating that the Amended Claim of Lien was way too late, pursuant to §713.08(4)(b) and the case of Hayutin v. Cochran Const. Co., Inc.
The Judge denied the Motion to Dismiss stating that since the Plaintiff was amending the last date of work performed, and since the amended claim of lien was filed within 90 days of that new date, then it was timely.
This seems to completely gut the statute and goes against the whole "strictly construed creature of statute" claim of lien law that I had learned. Am I crazy and the Judge is right or is she off base and I should be filing a Motion for Rehearing as soon as I can?
Thanks in advance for all your help, all you wonderful brilliant people!
Krista L. Brindle, Esq.
Andrew S. Epstein, P.A.
2120 McGregor Boulevard
Fort Myers, Florida 33901
Telephone: (239) 791-LAWS (5297)
Facsimile: (239) 791-0100
Confidentiality: This e-mail communication is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If you are not the addressee or an authorized representative, you are advised that any review, disclosure, reproduction, or other dissemination or use of this communication or any information contained herein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately advise the sender either by reply e-mail or call at (239) 791-5297; delete this communication and destroy all physical copies.
All e-mail communications are electronically filtered for "spam" and "viruses." Filtering may result in communications being quarantined (i.e., potentially not received at our site at all) or delayed in reaching us. Therefore, we cannot guarantee that we will receive your e-mail or that we will receive it in a timely manner. Accordingly, important or time-sensitive communications should be sent to us by means other than e-mail.
Personally, I enjoy reading these back-and-forth dialogues and really appreciate being included on the mailing list! The discussion is always lively and enlightening (even if purely academic) and on almost all occasions these exchanges tend to be pertinent to either something I'm working on, something I've got on the back-burner, or something likely to present itself in the future (which is why I save these discussions in my "Legal Research" folder for future reference). :) Of course, if it's something I genuinely have no interest in whatsoever, simply hitting the Delete button is no great hardship... Thanks!
Leiter || Belsky
[cid:image001.jpg@01CC567F.82B33640]
Eric G. Belsky, Esq.
Leiter & Belsky, P.A.
Blackstone Building, Third Floor
707 Southeast Third Avenue
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33316
954.462.3116 Telephone
954.761.8990 Facsimile
ebelsky@jlblaw.com<mailto:ebelsky@jlblaw.com>
________________________________
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Tom McKeel
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:08 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
For what it is worth, I enjoy and benefit from the questions and answers. The reading is like a continuing CLE.
________________________________
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]<mailto:[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]> On Behalf Of Larry Leiby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:34 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Krista,
I don't think that you are crazy, but I think that the trial court was correct. In Hayutin the amended claim of lien was recorded more than 90 days after the date of last work recited in the amended claim of lien.
You still may be able to argue that you are prejudiced by the amendment, if you can prove any prejudice. The lienor must still prove that it worked up to the date alleged in the amended claim of lien, which work was not warranty work.
Suggestion: When you ask a question like this you should include your personal e-mail address so that responses need not go to all members of the committee.
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com<mailto:leiby@mkpalaw.com>
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]<mailto:[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]> On Behalf Of Krista Brindle
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Hi all,
I got a bad ruling this afternoon and I was wondering if any of you know of some awesome caselaw that is on point off the top of your head...here's the facts:
Plaintiff filed Claim of Lien on May 28, 2009, alleging the last work was done on March 4, 2009.
Plaintiff filed an Amended Claim of Lien on April 7, 2010, alleging the last work was done on March 2, 2010, but specifically stating that it was being filed to amend the claim of lien from '09.
Plaintiff filed suit to foreclose the Amended Claim of Lien on March 30, 2011.
We filed a Motion to Dismiss for the Defendant, stating that the Amended Claim of Lien was way too late, pursuant to §713.08(4)(b) and the case of Hayutin v. Cochran Const. Co., Inc.
The Judge denied the Motion to Dismiss stating that since the Plaintiff was amending the last date of work performed, and since the amended claim of lien was filed within 90 days of that new date, then it was timely.
This seems to completely gut the statute and goes against the whole "strictly construed creature of statute" claim of lien law that I had learned. Am I crazy and the Judge is right or is she off base and I should be filing a Motion for Rehearing as soon as I can?
Thanks in advance for all your help, all you wonderful brilliant people!
Krista L. Brindle, Esq.
Andrew S. Epstein, P.A.
2120 McGregor Boulevard
Fort Myers, Florida 33901
Telephone: (239) 791-LAWS (5297)
Facsimile: (239) 791-0100
Confidentiality: This e-mail communication is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If you are not the addressee or an authorized representative, you are advised that any review, disclosure, reproduction, or other dissemination or use of this communication or any information contained herein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately advise the sender either by reply e-mail or call at (239) 791-5297; delete this communication and destroy all physical copies.
All e-mail communications are electronically filtered for "spam" and "viruses." Filtering may result in communications being quarantined (i.e., potentially not received at our site at all) or delayed in reaching us. Therefore, we cannot guarantee that we will receive your e-mail or that we will receive it in a timely manner. Accordingly, important or time-sensitive communications should be sent to us by means other than e-mail.
________________________________
FB
Fred Barnes
Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:38 PM
Ditto.
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[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Eric
Belsky
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:32 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Personally, I enjoy reading these back-and-forth dialogues and really
appreciate being included on the mailing list! The discussion is always
lively and enlightening (even if purely academic) and on almost all
occasions these exchanges tend to be pertinent to either something Im
working on, something Ive got on the back-burner, or something likely to
present itself in the future (which is why I save these discussions in my
Legal Research folder for future reference). J Of course, if its
something I genuinely have no interest in whatsoever, simply hitting the
Delete button is no great hardship... Thanks!
Leiter || Belsky
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Eric G. Belsky, Esq.
Leiter & Belsky, P.A.
Blackstone Building, Third Floor
707 Southeast Third Avenue
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33316
954.462.3116 Telephone
954.761.8990 Facsimile
mailto:ebelsky@jlblaw.com ebelsky@jlblaw.com
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Tom
McKeel
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:08 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
For what it is worth, I enjoy and benefit from the questions and answers.
The reading is like a continuing CLE.
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Larry
Leiby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:34 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Krista,
I dont think that you are crazy, but I think that the trial court was
correct. In Hayutin the amended claim of lien was recorded more than 90
days after the date of last work recited in the amended claim of lien.
You still may be able to argue that you are prejudiced by the amendment, if
you can prove any prejudice. The lienor must still prove that it worked up
to the date alleged in the amended claim of lien, which work was not
warranty work.
Suggestion: When you ask a question like this you should include your
personal e-mail address so that responses need not go to all members of the
committee.
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Krista
Brindle
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Hi all,
I got a bad ruling this afternoon and I was wondering if any of you know of
some awesome caselaw that is on point off the top of your head
heres the
facts:
Plaintiff filed Claim of Lien on May 28, 2009, alleging the last work was
done on March 4, 2009.
Plaintiff filed an Amended Claim of Lien on April 7, 2010, alleging the last
work was done on March 2, 2010, but specifically stating that it was being
filed to amend the claim of lien from 09.
Plaintiff filed suit to foreclose the Amended Claim of Lien on March 30,
2011.
We filed a Motion to Dismiss for the Defendant, stating that the Amended
Claim of Lien was way too late, pursuant to §713.08(4)(b) and the case of
Hayutin v. Cochran Const. Co., Inc.
The Judge denied the Motion to Dismiss stating that since the Plaintiff was
amending the last date of work performed, and since the amended claim of
lien was filed within 90 days of that new date, then it was timely.
This seems to completely gut the statute and goes against the whole
strictly construed creature of statute claim of lien law that I had
learned. Am I crazy and the Judge is right or is she off base and I should
be filing a Motion for Rehearing as soon as I can?
Thanks in advance for all your help, all you wonderful brilliant people!
Krista L. Brindle, Esq.
Andrew S. Epstein, P.A.
2120 McGregor Boulevard
Fort Myers, Florida 33901
Telephone: (239) 791-LAWS (5297)
Facsimile: (239) 791-0100
Confidentiality: This e-mail communication is intended solely for the
addressee(s) and may contain legally privileged and confidential
information. If you are not the addressee or an authorized representative,
you are advised that any review, disclosure, reproduction, or other
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herein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in
error, please immediately advise the sender either by reply e-mail or call
at (239) 791-5297; delete this communication and destroy all physical
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All e-mail communications are electronically filtered for "spam" and
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potentially not received at our site at all) or delayed in reaching us.
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Ditto.
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[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Eric
Belsky
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:32 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Personally, I enjoy reading these back-and-forth dialogues and really
appreciate being included on the mailing list! The discussion is always
lively and enlightening (even if purely academic) and on almost all
occasions these exchanges tend to be pertinent to either something Im
working on, something Ive got on the back-burner, or something likely to
present itself in the future (which is why I save these discussions in my
Legal Research folder for future reference). J Of course, if its
something I genuinely have no interest in whatsoever, simply hitting the
Delete button is no great hardship... Thanks!
Leiter || Belsky
Description: Scales_Logo.jpg
Eric G. Belsky, Esq.
Leiter & Belsky, P.A.
Blackstone Building, Third Floor
707 Southeast Third Avenue
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33316
954.462.3116 Telephone
954.761.8990 Facsimile
<mailto:ebelsky@jlblaw.com> ebelsky@jlblaw.com
_____
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Tom
McKeel
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:08 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
For what it is worth, I enjoy and benefit from the questions and answers.
The reading is like a continuing CLE.
_____
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Larry
Leiby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:34 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Krista,
I dont think that you are crazy, but I think that the trial court was
correct. In Hayutin the amended claim of lien was recorded more than 90
days after the date of last work recited in the amended claim of lien.
You still may be able to argue that you are prejudiced by the amendment, if
you can prove any prejudice. The lienor must still prove that it worked up
to the date alleged in the amended claim of lien, which work was not
warranty work.
Suggestion: When you ask a question like this you should include your
personal e-mail address so that responses need not go to all members of the
committee.
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Krista
Brindle
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Hi all,
I got a bad ruling this afternoon and I was wondering if any of you know of
some awesome caselaw that is on point off the top of your head
heres the
facts:
Plaintiff filed Claim of Lien on May 28, 2009, alleging the last work was
done on March 4, 2009.
Plaintiff filed an Amended Claim of Lien on April 7, 2010, alleging the last
work was done on March 2, 2010, but specifically stating that it was being
filed to amend the claim of lien from 09.
Plaintiff filed suit to foreclose the Amended Claim of Lien on March 30,
2011.
We filed a Motion to Dismiss for the Defendant, stating that the Amended
Claim of Lien was way too late, pursuant to §713.08(4)(b) and the case of
Hayutin v. Cochran Const. Co., Inc.
The Judge denied the Motion to Dismiss stating that since the Plaintiff was
amending the last date of work performed, and since the amended claim of
lien was filed within 90 days of that new date, then it was timely.
This seems to completely gut the statute and goes against the whole
strictly construed creature of statute claim of lien law that I had
learned. Am I crazy and the Judge is right or is she off base and I should
be filing a Motion for Rehearing as soon as I can?
Thanks in advance for all your help, all you wonderful brilliant people!
Krista L. Brindle, Esq.
Andrew S. Epstein, P.A.
2120 McGregor Boulevard
Fort Myers, Florida 33901
Telephone: (239) 791-LAWS (5297)
Facsimile: (239) 791-0100
Confidentiality: This e-mail communication is intended solely for the
addressee(s) and may contain legally privileged and confidential
information. If you are not the addressee or an authorized representative,
you are advised that any review, disclosure, reproduction, or other
dissemination or use of this communication or any information contained
herein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in
error, please immediately advise the sender either by reply e-mail or call
at (239) 791-5297; delete this communication and destroy all physical
copies.
All e-mail communications are electronically filtered for "spam" and
"viruses." Filtering may result in communications being quarantined (i.e.,
potentially not received at our site at all) or delayed in reaching us.
Therefore, we cannot guarantee that we will receive your e-mail or that we
will receive it in a timely manner. Accordingly, important or
time-sensitive communications should be sent to us by means other than
e-mail.
_____
LL
Larry Leiby
Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:09 PM
There have been complaints in the past about the time to review such communication when members feel that they are not interested in the topic.
I also see the other educational point of view and defer to our chair, Herr Tritt, to establish policy.
My prior understanding was that there was concern expressed by some members about being bombarded on a topic.
There is also the issue that some members may respond privately if they are concerned about others seeing the response (for various reasons), which is an option at any time if the e-mail address is given (otherwise to be looked up).
Perhaps the initial question (which obviously goes to the entire list) and any first responses (to go to the list), with further discussion on the issue being either:
-
public to all on the list, using discretion to not oversaturate.
-
limited to the people communicating person to person.
Members can always choose the person to person communication.
I thought that we had addressed this issue in the past but I don't find any record of it.
Herr Tritt? Executive decision or meeting agenda item?
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Eric Belsky
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:32 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Personally, I enjoy reading these back-and-forth dialogues and really appreciate being included on the mailing list! The discussion is always lively and enlightening (even if purely academic) and on almost all occasions these exchanges tend to be pertinent to either something I'm working on, something I've got on the back-burner, or something likely to present itself in the future (which is why I save these discussions in my "Legal Research" folder for future reference). :) Of course, if it's something I genuinely have no interest in whatsoever, simply hitting the Delete button is no great hardship... Thanks!
Leiter || Belsky
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Eric G. Belsky, Esq.
Leiter & Belsky, P.A.
Blackstone Building, Third Floor
707 Southeast Third Avenue
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33316
954.462.3116 Telephone
954.761.8990 Facsimile
ebelsky@jlblaw.commailto:ebelsky@jlblaw.com
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Tom McKeel
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:08 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
For what it is worth, I enjoy and benefit from the questions and answers. The reading is like a continuing CLE.
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]mailto:[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Leiby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:34 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Krista,
I don't think that you are crazy, but I think that the trial court was correct. In Hayutin the amended claim of lien was recorded more than 90 days after the date of last work recited in the amended claim of lien.
You still may be able to argue that you are prejudiced by the amendment, if you can prove any prejudice. The lienor must still prove that it worked up to the date alleged in the amended claim of lien, which work was not warranty work.
Suggestion: When you ask a question like this you should include your personal e-mail address so that responses need not go to all members of the committee.
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.commailto:leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]mailto:[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Krista Brindle
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Hi all,
I got a bad ruling this afternoon and I was wondering if any of you know of some awesome caselaw that is on point off the top of your head...here's the facts:
Plaintiff filed Claim of Lien on May 28, 2009, alleging the last work was done on March 4, 2009.
Plaintiff filed an Amended Claim of Lien on April 7, 2010, alleging the last work was done on March 2, 2010, but specifically stating that it was being filed to amend the claim of lien from '09.
Plaintiff filed suit to foreclose the Amended Claim of Lien on March 30, 2011.
We filed a Motion to Dismiss for the Defendant, stating that the Amended Claim of Lien was way too late, pursuant to §713.08(4)(b) and the case of Hayutin v. Cochran Const. Co., Inc.
The Judge denied the Motion to Dismiss stating that since the Plaintiff was amending the last date of work performed, and since the amended claim of lien was filed within 90 days of that new date, then it was timely.
This seems to completely gut the statute and goes against the whole "strictly construed creature of statute" claim of lien law that I had learned. Am I crazy and the Judge is right or is she off base and I should be filing a Motion for Rehearing as soon as I can?
Thanks in advance for all your help, all you wonderful brilliant people!
Krista L. Brindle, Esq.
Andrew S. Epstein, P.A.
2120 McGregor Boulevard
Fort Myers, Florida 33901
Telephone: (239) 791-LAWS (5297)
Facsimile: (239) 791-0100
Confidentiality: This e-mail communication is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If you are not the addressee or an authorized representative, you are advised that any review, disclosure, reproduction, or other dissemination or use of this communication or any information contained herein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately advise the sender either by reply e-mail or call at (239) 791-5297; delete this communication and destroy all physical copies.
All e-mail communications are electronically filtered for "spam" and "viruses." Filtering may result in communications being quarantined (i.e., potentially not received at our site at all) or delayed in reaching us. Therefore, we cannot guarantee that we will receive your e-mail or that we will receive it in a timely manner. Accordingly, important or time-sensitive communications should be sent to us by means other than e-mail.
There have been complaints in the past about the time to review such communication when members feel that they are not interested in the topic.
I also see the other educational point of view and defer to our chair, Herr Tritt, to establish policy.
My prior understanding was that there was concern expressed by some members about being bombarded on a topic.
There is also the issue that some members may respond privately if they are concerned about others seeing the response (for various reasons), which is an option at any time if the e-mail address is given (otherwise to be looked up).
Perhaps the initial question (which obviously goes to the entire list) and any first responses (to go to the list), with further discussion on the issue being either:
1) public to all on the list, using discretion to not oversaturate.
2) limited to the people communicating person to person.
Members can always choose the person to person communication.
I thought that we had addressed this issue in the past but I don't find any record of it.
Herr Tritt? Executive decision or meeting agenda item?
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Eric Belsky
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:32 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Personally, I enjoy reading these back-and-forth dialogues and really appreciate being included on the mailing list! The discussion is always lively and enlightening (even if purely academic) and on almost all occasions these exchanges tend to be pertinent to either something I'm working on, something I've got on the back-burner, or something likely to present itself in the future (which is why I save these discussions in my "Legal Research" folder for future reference). :) Of course, if it's something I genuinely have no interest in whatsoever, simply hitting the Delete button is no great hardship... Thanks!
Leiter || Belsky
[cid:image001.jpg@01CC5681.B104BF30]
Eric G. Belsky, Esq.
Leiter & Belsky, P.A.
Blackstone Building, Third Floor
707 Southeast Third Avenue
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33316
954.462.3116 Telephone
954.761.8990 Facsimile
ebelsky@jlblaw.com<mailto:ebelsky@jlblaw.com>
________________________________
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Tom McKeel
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:08 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
For what it is worth, I enjoy and benefit from the questions and answers. The reading is like a continuing CLE.
________________________________
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]<mailto:[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]> On Behalf Of Larry Leiby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:34 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Krista,
I don't think that you are crazy, but I think that the trial court was correct. In Hayutin the amended claim of lien was recorded more than 90 days after the date of last work recited in the amended claim of lien.
You still may be able to argue that you are prejudiced by the amendment, if you can prove any prejudice. The lienor must still prove that it worked up to the date alleged in the amended claim of lien, which work was not warranty work.
Suggestion: When you ask a question like this you should include your personal e-mail address so that responses need not go to all members of the committee.
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com<mailto:leiby@mkpalaw.com>
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]<mailto:[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]> On Behalf Of Krista Brindle
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Hi all,
I got a bad ruling this afternoon and I was wondering if any of you know of some awesome caselaw that is on point off the top of your head...here's the facts:
Plaintiff filed Claim of Lien on May 28, 2009, alleging the last work was done on March 4, 2009.
Plaintiff filed an Amended Claim of Lien on April 7, 2010, alleging the last work was done on March 2, 2010, but specifically stating that it was being filed to amend the claim of lien from '09.
Plaintiff filed suit to foreclose the Amended Claim of Lien on March 30, 2011.
We filed a Motion to Dismiss for the Defendant, stating that the Amended Claim of Lien was way too late, pursuant to §713.08(4)(b) and the case of Hayutin v. Cochran Const. Co., Inc.
The Judge denied the Motion to Dismiss stating that since the Plaintiff was amending the last date of work performed, and since the amended claim of lien was filed within 90 days of that new date, then it was timely.
This seems to completely gut the statute and goes against the whole "strictly construed creature of statute" claim of lien law that I had learned. Am I crazy and the Judge is right or is she off base and I should be filing a Motion for Rehearing as soon as I can?
Thanks in advance for all your help, all you wonderful brilliant people!
Krista L. Brindle, Esq.
Andrew S. Epstein, P.A.
2120 McGregor Boulevard
Fort Myers, Florida 33901
Telephone: (239) 791-LAWS (5297)
Facsimile: (239) 791-0100
Confidentiality: This e-mail communication is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If you are not the addressee or an authorized representative, you are advised that any review, disclosure, reproduction, or other dissemination or use of this communication or any information contained herein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately advise the sender either by reply e-mail or call at (239) 791-5297; delete this communication and destroy all physical copies.
All e-mail communications are electronically filtered for "spam" and "viruses." Filtering may result in communications being quarantined (i.e., potentially not received at our site at all) or delayed in reaching us. Therefore, we cannot guarantee that we will receive your e-mail or that we will receive it in a timely manner. Accordingly, important or time-sensitive communications should be sent to us by means other than e-mail.
________________________________
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Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:24 PM
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From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Leiby
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:10 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] listserve communications
There have been complaints in the past about the time to review such communication when members feel that they are not interested in the topic.
I also see the other educational point of view and defer to our chair, Herr Tritt, to establish policy.
My prior understanding was that there was concern expressed by some members about being bombarded on a topic.
There is also the issue that some members may respond privately if they are concerned about others seeing the response (for various reasons), which is an option at any time if the e-mail address is given (otherwise to be looked up).
Perhaps the initial question (which obviously goes to the entire list) and any first responses (to go to the list), with further discussion on the issue being either:
-
public to all on the list, using discretion to not oversaturate.
-
limited to the people communicating person to person.
Members can always choose the person to person communication.
I thought that we had addressed this issue in the past but I don’t find any record of it.
Herr Tritt? Executive decision or meeting agenda item?
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Eric Belsky
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:32 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Personally, I enjoy reading these back-and-forth dialogues and really appreciate being included on the mailing list! The discussion is always lively and enlightening (even if purely academic) and on almost all occasions these exchanges tend to be pertinent to either something I’m working on, something I’ve got on the back-burner, or something likely to present itself in the future (which is why I save these discussions in my “Legal Research” folder for future reference). ☺ Of course, if it’s something I genuinely have no interest in whatsoever, simply hitting the Delete button is no great hardship... Thanks!
Leiter || Belsky
[cid:431552315@09082011-0E3B]
Eric G. Belsky, Esq.
Leiter & Belsky, P.A.
Blackstone Building, Third Floor
707 Southeast Third Avenue
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33316
954.462.3116 Telephone
954.761.8990 Facsimile
ebelsky@jlblaw.commailto:ebelsky@jlblaw.com
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Tom McKeel
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:08 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
For what it is worth, I enjoy and benefit from the questions and answers. The reading is like a continuing CLE.
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]mailto:[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Leiby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:34 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Krista,
I don’t think that you are crazy, but I think that the trial court was correct. In Hayutin the amended claim of lien was recorded more than 90 days after the date of last work recited in the amended claim of lien.
You still may be able to argue that you are prejudiced by the amendment, if you can prove any prejudice. The lienor must still prove that it worked up to the date alleged in the amended claim of lien, which work was not warranty work.
Suggestion: When you ask a question like this you should include your personal e-mail address so that responses need not go to all members of the committee.
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.commailto:leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]mailto:[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Krista Brindle
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Hi all,
I got a bad ruling this afternoon and I was wondering if any of you know of some awesome caselaw that is on point off the top of your head…here’s the facts:
Plaintiff filed Claim of Lien on May 28, 2009, alleging the last work was done on March 4, 2009.
Plaintiff filed an Amended Claim of Lien on April 7, 2010, alleging the last work was done on March 2, 2010, but specifically stating that it was being filed to amend the claim of lien from ’09.
Plaintiff filed suit to foreclose the Amended Claim of Lien on March 30, 2011.
We filed a Motion to Dismiss for the Defendant, stating that the Amended Claim of Lien was way too late, pursuant to §713.08(4)(b) and the case of Hayutin v. Cochran Const. Co., Inc.
The Judge denied the Motion to Dismiss stating that since the Plaintiff was amending the last date of work performed, and since the amended claim of lien was filed within 90 days of that new date, then it was timely.
This seems to completely gut the statute and goes against the whole “strictly construed creature of statute” claim of lien law that I had learned. Am I crazy and the Judge is right or is she off base and I should be filing a Motion for Rehearing as soon as I can?
Thanks in advance for all your help, all you wonderful brilliant people!
Krista L. Brindle, Esq.
Andrew S. Epstein, P.A.
2120 McGregor Boulevard
Fort Myers, Florida 33901
Telephone: (239) 791-LAWS (5297)
Facsimile: (239) 791-0100
Confidentiality: This e-mail communication is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If you are not the addressee or an authorized representative, you are advised that any review, disclosure, reproduction, or other dissemination or use of this communication or any information contained herein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately advise the sender either by reply e-mail or call at (239) 791-5297; delete this communication and destroy all physical copies.
All e-mail communications are electronically filtered for "spam" and "viruses." Filtering may result in communications being quarantined (i.e., potentially not received at our site at all) or delayed in reaching us. Therefore, we cannot guarantee that we will receive your e-mail or that we will receive it in a timely manner. Accordingly, important or time-sensitive communications should be sent to us by means other than e-mail.
I personally like the dialogue on such issues (as a learning tool).
Leslie Miller Tomczak
Shareholder, LEED AP
Akerman Senterfitt | 350 East Las Olas Boulevard | Suite 1600 | Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301
Dir: 954.759.8926 | Main: 954.463.2700 | Fax: 954.463.2224
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From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Leiby
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:10 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] listserve communications
There have been complaints in the past about the time to review such communication when members feel that they are not interested in the topic.
I also see the other educational point of view and defer to our chair, Herr Tritt, to establish policy.
My prior understanding was that there was concern expressed by some members about being bombarded on a topic.
There is also the issue that some members may respond privately if they are concerned about others seeing the response (for various reasons), which is an option at any time if the e-mail address is given (otherwise to be looked up).
Perhaps the initial question (which obviously goes to the entire list) and any first responses (to go to the list), with further discussion on the issue being either:
1) public to all on the list, using discretion to not oversaturate.
2) limited to the people communicating person to person.
Members can always choose the person to person communication.
I thought that we had addressed this issue in the past but I don’t find any record of it.
Herr Tritt? Executive decision or meeting agenda item?
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Eric Belsky
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:32 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Personally, I enjoy reading these back-and-forth dialogues and really appreciate being included on the mailing list! The discussion is always lively and enlightening (even if purely academic) and on almost all occasions these exchanges tend to be pertinent to either something I’m working on, something I’ve got on the back-burner, or something likely to present itself in the future (which is why I save these discussions in my “Legal Research” folder for future reference). ☺ Of course, if it’s something I genuinely have no interest in whatsoever, simply hitting the Delete button is no great hardship... Thanks!
Leiter || Belsky
[cid:431552315@09082011-0E3B]
Eric G. Belsky, Esq.
Leiter & Belsky, P.A.
Blackstone Building, Third Floor
707 Southeast Third Avenue
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33316
954.462.3116 Telephone
954.761.8990 Facsimile
ebelsky@jlblaw.com<mailto:ebelsky@jlblaw.com>
________________________________
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Tom McKeel
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:08 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
For what it is worth, I enjoy and benefit from the questions and answers. The reading is like a continuing CLE.
________________________________
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]<mailto:[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]> On Behalf Of Larry Leiby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:34 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Krista,
I don’t think that you are crazy, but I think that the trial court was correct. In Hayutin the amended claim of lien was recorded more than 90 days after the date of last work recited in the amended claim of lien.
You still may be able to argue that you are prejudiced by the amendment, if you can prove any prejudice. The lienor must still prove that it worked up to the date alleged in the amended claim of lien, which work was not warranty work.
Suggestion: When you ask a question like this you should include your personal e-mail address so that responses need not go to all members of the committee.
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com<mailto:leiby@mkpalaw.com>
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]<mailto:[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]> On Behalf Of Krista Brindle
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Hi all,
I got a bad ruling this afternoon and I was wondering if any of you know of some awesome caselaw that is on point off the top of your head…here’s the facts:
Plaintiff filed Claim of Lien on May 28, 2009, alleging the last work was done on March 4, 2009.
Plaintiff filed an Amended Claim of Lien on April 7, 2010, alleging the last work was done on March 2, 2010, but specifically stating that it was being filed to amend the claim of lien from ’09.
Plaintiff filed suit to foreclose the Amended Claim of Lien on March 30, 2011.
We filed a Motion to Dismiss for the Defendant, stating that the Amended Claim of Lien was way too late, pursuant to §713.08(4)(b) and the case of Hayutin v. Cochran Const. Co., Inc.
The Judge denied the Motion to Dismiss stating that since the Plaintiff was amending the last date of work performed, and since the amended claim of lien was filed within 90 days of that new date, then it was timely.
This seems to completely gut the statute and goes against the whole “strictly construed creature of statute” claim of lien law that I had learned. Am I crazy and the Judge is right or is she off base and I should be filing a Motion for Rehearing as soon as I can?
Thanks in advance for all your help, all you wonderful brilliant people!
Krista L. Brindle, Esq.
Andrew S. Epstein, P.A.
2120 McGregor Boulevard
Fort Myers, Florida 33901
Telephone: (239) 791-LAWS (5297)
Facsimile: (239) 791-0100
Confidentiality: This e-mail communication is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If you are not the addressee or an authorized representative, you are advised that any review, disclosure, reproduction, or other dissemination or use of this communication or any information contained herein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately advise the sender either by reply e-mail or call at (239) 791-5297; delete this communication and destroy all physical copies.
All e-mail communications are electronically filtered for "spam" and "viruses." Filtering may result in communications being quarantined (i.e., potentially not received at our site at all) or delayed in reaching us. Therefore, we cannot guarantee that we will receive your e-mail or that we will receive it in a timely manner. Accordingly, important or time-sensitive communications should be sent to us by means other than e-mail.
________________________________
SK
Sandra Kennedy
Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:40 PM
Me too. Either I learn something, or I get to feel like I actually know something already!
Sandra D. Kennedy, Esquire
Florida Bar Board Certified Construction Lawyer
Ferencik Libanoff Brandt Bustamante and Williams, P.A.
150 South Pine Island Road, Suite 400
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33324
Tel (954) 474-8080
Fax (954) 474-7343
Miami (305) 949-8003
skennedy@flbbwlaw.com
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of leslie.tomczak@akerman.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:24 AM
To: constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] listserve communications
I personally like the dialogue on such issues (as a learning tool).
Leslie Miller Tomczak
Shareholder, LEED AP
Akerman Senterfitt | 350 East Las Olas Boulevard | Suite 1600 | Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301
Dir: 954.759.8926 | Main: 954.463.2700 | Fax: 954.463.2224
leslie.tomczak@akerman.com
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From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Leiby
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:10 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] listserve communications
There have been complaints in the past about the time to review such communication when members feel that they are not interested in the topic.
I also see the other educational point of view and defer to our chair, Herr Tritt, to establish policy.
My prior understanding was that there was concern expressed by some members about being bombarded on a topic.
There is also the issue that some members may respond privately if they are concerned about others seeing the response (for various reasons), which is an option at any time if the e-mail address is given (otherwise to be looked up).
Perhaps the initial question (which obviously goes to the entire list) and any first responses (to go to the list), with further discussion on the issue being either:
-
public to all on the list, using discretion to not oversaturate.
-
limited to the people communicating person to person.
Members can always choose the person to person communication.
I thought that we had addressed this issue in the past but I don't find any record of it.
Herr Tritt? Executive decision or meeting agenda item?
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Eric Belsky
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:32 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Personally, I enjoy reading these back-and-forth dialogues and really appreciate being included on the mailing list! The discussion is always lively and enlightening (even if purely academic) and on almost all occasions these exchanges tend to be pertinent to either something I'm working on, something I've got on the back-burner, or something likely to present itself in the future (which is why I save these discussions in my "Legal Research" folder for future reference). J Of course, if it's something I genuinely have no interest in whatsoever, simply hitting the Delete button is no great hardship... Thanks!
Leiter || Belsky
Eric G. Belsky, Esq.
Leiter & Belsky, P.A.
Blackstone Building, Third Floor
707 Southeast Third Avenue
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33316
954.462.3116 Telephone
954.761.8990 Facsimile
ebelsky@jlblaw.com mailto:ebelsky@jlblaw.com
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Tom McKeel
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:08 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
For what it is worth, I enjoy and benefit from the questions and answers. The reading is like a continuing CLE.
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Leiby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:34 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Krista,
I don't think that you are crazy, but I think that the trial court was correct. In Hayutin the amended claim of lien was recorded more than 90 days after the date of last work recited in the amended claim of lien.
You still may be able to argue that you are prejudiced by the amendment, if you can prove any prejudice. The lienor must still prove that it worked up to the date alleged in the amended claim of lien, which work was not warranty work.
Suggestion: When you ask a question like this you should include your personal e-mail address so that responses need not go to all members of the committee.
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Krista Brindle
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Hi all,
I got a bad ruling this afternoon and I was wondering if any of you know of some awesome caselaw that is on point off the top of your head...here's the facts:
Plaintiff filed Claim of Lien on May 28, 2009, alleging the last work was done on March 4, 2009.
Plaintiff filed an Amended Claim of Lien on April 7, 2010, alleging the last work was done on March 2, 2010, but specifically stating that it was being filed to amend the claim of lien from '09.
Plaintiff filed suit to foreclose the Amended Claim of Lien on March 30, 2011.
We filed a Motion to Dismiss for the Defendant, stating that the Amended Claim of Lien was way too late, pursuant to §713.08(4)(b) and the case of Hayutin v. Cochran Const. Co., Inc.
The Judge denied the Motion to Dismiss stating that since the Plaintiff was amending the last date of work performed, and since the amended claim of lien was filed within 90 days of that new date, then it was timely.
This seems to completely gut the statute and goes against the whole "strictly construed creature of statute" claim of lien law that I had learned. Am I crazy and the Judge is right or is she off base and I should be filing a Motion for Rehearing as soon as I can?
Thanks in advance for all your help, all you wonderful brilliant people!
Krista L. Brindle, Esq.
Andrew S. Epstein, P.A.
2120 McGregor Boulevard
Fort Myers, Florida 33901
Telephone: (239) 791-LAWS (5297)
Facsimile: (239) 791-0100
Confidentiality: This e-mail communication is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If you are not the addressee or an authorized representative, you are advised that any review, disclosure, reproduction, or other dissemination or use of this communication or any information contained herein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately advise the sender either by reply e-mail or call at (239) 791-5297; delete this communication and destroy all physical copies.
All e-mail communications are electronically filtered for "spam" and "viruses." Filtering may result in communications being quarantined (i.e., potentially not received at our site at all) or delayed in reaching us. Therefore, we cannot guarantee that we will receive your e-mail or that we will receive it in a timely manner. Accordingly, important or time-sensitive communications should be sent to us by means other than e-mail.
Me too. Either I learn something, or I get to feel like I actually know something already!
Sandra D. Kennedy, Esquire
Florida Bar Board Certified Construction Lawyer
Ferencik Libanoff Brandt Bustamante and Williams, P.A.
150 South Pine Island Road, Suite 400
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33324
Tel (954) 474-8080
Fax (954) 474-7343
Miami (305) 949-8003
skennedy@flbbwlaw.com
________________________________
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of leslie.tomczak@akerman.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:24 AM
To: constructionlaw@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] listserve communications
I personally like the dialogue on such issues (as a learning tool).
Leslie Miller Tomczak
Shareholder, LEED AP
Akerman Senterfitt | 350 East Las Olas Boulevard | Suite 1600 | Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301
Dir: 954.759.8926 | Main: 954.463.2700 | Fax: 954.463.2224
leslie.tomczak@akerman.com
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________________________________
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Leiby
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:10 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] listserve communications
There have been complaints in the past about the time to review such communication when members feel that they are not interested in the topic.
I also see the other educational point of view and defer to our chair, Herr Tritt, to establish policy.
My prior understanding was that there was concern expressed by some members about being bombarded on a topic.
There is also the issue that some members may respond privately if they are concerned about others seeing the response (for various reasons), which is an option at any time if the e-mail address is given (otherwise to be looked up).
Perhaps the initial question (which obviously goes to the entire list) and any first responses (to go to the list), with further discussion on the issue being either:
1) public to all on the list, using discretion to not oversaturate.
2) limited to the people communicating person to person.
Members can always choose the person to person communication.
I thought that we had addressed this issue in the past but I don't find any record of it.
Herr Tritt? Executive decision or meeting agenda item?
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Eric Belsky
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:32 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Personally, I enjoy reading these back-and-forth dialogues and really appreciate being included on the mailing list! The discussion is always lively and enlightening (even if purely academic) and on almost all occasions these exchanges tend to be pertinent to either something I'm working on, something I've got on the back-burner, or something likely to present itself in the future (which is why I save these discussions in my "Legal Research" folder for future reference). J Of course, if it's something I genuinely have no interest in whatsoever, simply hitting the Delete button is no great hardship... Thanks!
Leiter || Belsky
Eric G. Belsky, Esq.
Leiter & Belsky, P.A.
Blackstone Building, Third Floor
707 Southeast Third Avenue
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33316
954.462.3116 Telephone
954.761.8990 Facsimile
ebelsky@jlblaw.com <mailto:ebelsky@jlblaw.com>
________________________________
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Tom McKeel
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:08 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
For what it is worth, I enjoy and benefit from the questions and answers. The reading is like a continuing CLE.
________________________________
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Leiby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:34 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Krista,
I don't think that you are crazy, but I think that the trial court was correct. In Hayutin the amended claim of lien was recorded more than 90 days after the date of last work recited in the amended claim of lien.
You still may be able to argue that you are prejudiced by the amendment, if you can prove any prejudice. The lienor must still prove that it worked up to the date alleged in the amended claim of lien, which work was not warranty work.
Suggestion: When you ask a question like this you should include your personal e-mail address so that responses need not go to all members of the committee.
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Krista Brindle
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Hi all,
I got a bad ruling this afternoon and I was wondering if any of you know of some awesome caselaw that is on point off the top of your head...here's the facts:
Plaintiff filed Claim of Lien on May 28, 2009, alleging the last work was done on March 4, 2009.
Plaintiff filed an Amended Claim of Lien on April 7, 2010, alleging the last work was done on March 2, 2010, but specifically stating that it was being filed to amend the claim of lien from '09.
Plaintiff filed suit to foreclose the Amended Claim of Lien on March 30, 2011.
We filed a Motion to Dismiss for the Defendant, stating that the Amended Claim of Lien was way too late, pursuant to §713.08(4)(b) and the case of Hayutin v. Cochran Const. Co., Inc.
The Judge denied the Motion to Dismiss stating that since the Plaintiff was amending the last date of work performed, and since the amended claim of lien was filed within 90 days of that new date, then it was timely.
This seems to completely gut the statute and goes against the whole "strictly construed creature of statute" claim of lien law that I had learned. Am I crazy and the Judge is right or is she off base and I should be filing a Motion for Rehearing as soon as I can?
Thanks in advance for all your help, all you wonderful brilliant people!
Krista L. Brindle, Esq.
Andrew S. Epstein, P.A.
2120 McGregor Boulevard
Fort Myers, Florida 33901
Telephone: (239) 791-LAWS (5297)
Facsimile: (239) 791-0100
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It is not that difficult to hit the delete button and I think the benefits of the dialogue outweigh the burden of deleting unwanted emails.
Just my two cents.
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Attorney at Law
Law Offices of Jack D. Evans
2420 Lakemont Avenue, Suite 125
Orlando, Florida 32814
Telephone: 407-388-2679
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From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Leiby
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:10 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] listserve communications
There have been complaints in the past about the time to review such communication when members feel that they are not interested in the topic.
I also see the other educational point of view and defer to our chair, Herr Tritt, to establish policy.
My prior understanding was that there was concern expressed by some members about being bombarded on a topic.
There is also the issue that some members may respond privately if they are concerned about others seeing the response (for various reasons), which is an option at any time if the e-mail address is given (otherwise to be looked up).
Perhaps the initial question (which obviously goes to the entire list) and any first responses (to go to the list), with further discussion on the issue being either:
-
public to all on the list, using discretion to not oversaturate.
-
limited to the people communicating person to person.
Members can always choose the person to person communication.
I thought that we had addressed this issue in the past but I don't find any record of it.
Herr Tritt? Executive decision or meeting agenda item?
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
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Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:32 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Personally, I enjoy reading these back-and-forth dialogues and really appreciate being included on the mailing list! The discussion is always lively and enlightening (even if purely academic) and on almost all occasions these exchanges tend to be pertinent to either something I'm working on, something I've got on the back-burner, or something likely to present itself in the future (which is why I save these discussions in my "Legal Research" folder for future reference). :) Of course, if it's something I genuinely have no interest in whatsoever, simply hitting the Delete button is no great hardship... Thanks!
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Leiter & Belsky, P.A.
Blackstone Building, Third Floor
707 Southeast Third Avenue
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33316
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Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:08 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
For what it is worth, I enjoy and benefit from the questions and answers. The reading is like a continuing CLE.
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]mailto:%5bmailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org%5d On Behalf Of Larry Leiby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:34 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Krista,
I don't think that you are crazy, but I think that the trial court was correct. In Hayutin the amended claim of lien was recorded more than 90 days after the date of last work recited in the amended claim of lien.
You still may be able to argue that you are prejudiced by the amendment, if you can prove any prejudice. The lienor must still prove that it worked up to the date alleged in the amended claim of lien, which work was not warranty work.
Suggestion: When you ask a question like this you should include your personal e-mail address so that responses need not go to all members of the committee.
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.commailto:leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]mailto:%5bmailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org%5d On Behalf Of Krista Brindle
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Hi all,
I got a bad ruling this afternoon and I was wondering if any of you know of some awesome caselaw that is on point off the top of your head...here's the facts:
Plaintiff filed Claim of Lien on May 28, 2009, alleging the last work was done on March 4, 2009.
Plaintiff filed an Amended Claim of Lien on April 7, 2010, alleging the last work was done on March 2, 2010, but specifically stating that it was being filed to amend the claim of lien from '09.
Plaintiff filed suit to foreclose the Amended Claim of Lien on March 30, 2011.
We filed a Motion to Dismiss for the Defendant, stating that the Amended Claim of Lien was way too late, pursuant to §713.08(4)(b) and the case of Hayutin v. Cochran Const. Co., Inc.
The Judge denied the Motion to Dismiss stating that since the Plaintiff was amending the last date of work performed, and since the amended claim of lien was filed within 90 days of that new date, then it was timely.
This seems to completely gut the statute and goes against the whole "strictly construed creature of statute" claim of lien law that I had learned. Am I crazy and the Judge is right or is she off base and I should be filing a Motion for Rehearing as soon as I can?
Thanks in advance for all your help, all you wonderful brilliant people!
Krista L. Brindle, Esq.
Andrew S. Epstein, P.A.
2120 McGregor Boulevard
Fort Myers, Florida 33901
Telephone: (239) 791-LAWS (5297)
Facsimile: (239) 791-0100
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It is not that difficult to hit the delete button and I think the benefits of the dialogue outweigh the burden of deleting unwanted emails.
Just my two cents.
____________________________________________________
Beth-Ann Schulman
Attorney at Law
Law Offices of Jack D. Evans
2420 Lakemont Avenue, Suite 125
Orlando, Florida 32814
Telephone: 407-388-2679
Facsimile: 855-203-0311
Cell Phone: 407-267-1374
bschulma@travelers.com<mailto:bschulma@travelers.com>
Sr. Legal Assistant: Rameela Chandraseka
Telephone: 407-388-2952
Email: rrchandr@travelers.com<mailto:rrchandr@travelers.com>
We strive to be a paperless office. I encourage you to send all correspondence, pleadings, discovery, production, and every other transmittable item via email or fax instead of US Mail when at all possible. When this form of transmittal occurs, it is not necessary to send a separate copy via US mail. This request applies to all attorneys and staff in the Orlando Staff Counsel Office. Thank you for your cooperation
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From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Leiby
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:10 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] listserve communications
There have been complaints in the past about the time to review such communication when members feel that they are not interested in the topic.
I also see the other educational point of view and defer to our chair, Herr Tritt, to establish policy.
My prior understanding was that there was concern expressed by some members about being bombarded on a topic.
There is also the issue that some members may respond privately if they are concerned about others seeing the response (for various reasons), which is an option at any time if the e-mail address is given (otherwise to be looked up).
Perhaps the initial question (which obviously goes to the entire list) and any first responses (to go to the list), with further discussion on the issue being either:
1) public to all on the list, using discretion to not oversaturate.
2) limited to the people communicating person to person.
Members can always choose the person to person communication.
I thought that we had addressed this issue in the past but I don't find any record of it.
Herr Tritt? Executive decision or meeting agenda item?
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Eric Belsky
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:32 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Personally, I enjoy reading these back-and-forth dialogues and really appreciate being included on the mailing list! The discussion is always lively and enlightening (even if purely academic) and on almost all occasions these exchanges tend to be pertinent to either something I'm working on, something I've got on the back-burner, or something likely to present itself in the future (which is why I save these discussions in my "Legal Research" folder for future reference). :) Of course, if it's something I genuinely have no interest in whatsoever, simply hitting the Delete button is no great hardship... Thanks!
Leiter || Belsky
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Eric G. Belsky, Esq.
Leiter & Belsky, P.A.
Blackstone Building, Third Floor
707 Southeast Third Avenue
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33316
954.462.3116 Telephone
954.761.8990 Facsimile
ebelsky@jlblaw.com<mailto:ebelsky@jlblaw.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:08 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
For what it is worth, I enjoy and benefit from the questions and answers. The reading is like a continuing CLE.
________________________________
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]<mailto:%5bmailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org%5d> On Behalf Of Larry Leiby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:34 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Krista,
I don't think that you are crazy, but I think that the trial court was correct. In Hayutin the amended claim of lien was recorded more than 90 days after the date of last work recited in the amended claim of lien.
You still may be able to argue that you are prejudiced by the amendment, if you can prove any prejudice. The lienor must still prove that it worked up to the date alleged in the amended claim of lien, which work was not warranty work.
Suggestion: When you ask a question like this you should include your personal e-mail address so that responses need not go to all members of the committee.
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com<mailto:leiby@mkpalaw.com>
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> [mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]<mailto:%5bmailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org%5d> On Behalf Of Krista Brindle
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Hi all,
I got a bad ruling this afternoon and I was wondering if any of you know of some awesome caselaw that is on point off the top of your head...here's the facts:
Plaintiff filed Claim of Lien on May 28, 2009, alleging the last work was done on March 4, 2009.
Plaintiff filed an Amended Claim of Lien on April 7, 2010, alleging the last work was done on March 2, 2010, but specifically stating that it was being filed to amend the claim of lien from '09.
Plaintiff filed suit to foreclose the Amended Claim of Lien on March 30, 2011.
We filed a Motion to Dismiss for the Defendant, stating that the Amended Claim of Lien was way too late, pursuant to §713.08(4)(b) and the case of Hayutin v. Cochran Const. Co., Inc.
The Judge denied the Motion to Dismiss stating that since the Plaintiff was amending the last date of work performed, and since the amended claim of lien was filed within 90 days of that new date, then it was timely.
This seems to completely gut the statute and goes against the whole "strictly construed creature of statute" claim of lien law that I had learned. Am I crazy and the Judge is right or is she off base and I should be filing a Motion for Rehearing as soon as I can?
Thanks in advance for all your help, all you wonderful brilliant people!
Krista L. Brindle, Esq.
Andrew S. Epstein, P.A.
2120 McGregor Boulevard
Fort Myers, Florida 33901
Telephone: (239) 791-LAWS (5297)
Facsimile: (239) 791-0100
Confidentiality: This e-mail communication is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If you are not the addressee or an authorized representative, you are advised that any review, disclosure, reproduction, or other dissemination or use of this communication or any information contained herein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately advise the sender either by reply e-mail or call at (239) 791-5297; delete this communication and destroy all physical copies.
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Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:51 PM
I too find the dialogues useful and informative at times. When I don't have
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research folder or delete them. For what it is worth, I feel that the
benefits of receiving the information outweigh the hassle of deleting those
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Leiby
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:10 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] listserve communications
There have been complaints in the past about the time to review such
communication when members feel that they are not interested in the topic.
I also see the other educational point of view and defer to our chair, Herr
Tritt, to establish policy.
My prior understanding was that there was concern expressed by some members
about being bombarded on a topic.
There is also the issue that some members may respond privately if they are
concerned about others seeing the response (for various reasons), which is
an option at any time if the e-mail address is given (otherwise to be looked
up).
Perhaps the initial question (which obviously goes to the entire list) and
any first responses (to go to the list), with further discussion on the
issue being either:
-
public to all on the list, using discretion to not oversaturate.
-
limited to the people communicating person to person.
Members can always choose the person to person communication.
I thought that we had addressed this issue in the past but I dont find any
record of it.
Herr Tritt? Executive decision or meeting agenda item?
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
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[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Eric
Belsky
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:32 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Personally, I enjoy reading these back-and-forth dialogues and really
appreciate being included on the mailing list! The discussion is always
lively and enlightening (even if purely academic) and on almost all
occasions these exchanges tend to be pertinent to either something Im
working on, something Ive got on the back-burner, or something likely to
present itself in the future (which is why I save these discussions in my
Legal Research folder for future reference). J Of course, if its
something I genuinely have no interest in whatsoever, simply hitting the
Delete button is no great hardship... Thanks!
Leiter || Belsky
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Leiter & Belsky, P.A.
Blackstone Building, Third Floor
707 Southeast Third Avenue
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33316
954.462.3116 Telephone
954.761.8990 Facsimile
mailto:ebelsky@jlblaw.com ebelsky@jlblaw.com
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Tom
McKeel
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:08 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
For what it is worth, I enjoy and benefit from the questions and answers.
The reading is like a continuing CLE.
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[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Larry
Leiby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:34 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Krista,
I dont think that you are crazy, but I think that the trial court was
correct. In Hayutin the amended claim of lien was recorded more than 90
days after the date of last work recited in the amended claim of lien.
You still may be able to argue that you are prejudiced by the amendment, if
you can prove any prejudice. The lienor must still prove that it worked up
to the date alleged in the amended claim of lien, which work was not
warranty work.
Suggestion: When you ask a question like this you should include your
personal e-mail address so that responses need not go to all members of the
committee.
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Krista
Brindle
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Hi all,
I got a bad ruling this afternoon and I was wondering if any of you know of
some awesome caselaw that is on point off the top of your head
heres the
facts:
Plaintiff filed Claim of Lien on May 28, 2009, alleging the last work was
done on March 4, 2009.
Plaintiff filed an Amended Claim of Lien on April 7, 2010, alleging the last
work was done on March 2, 2010, but specifically stating that it was being
filed to amend the claim of lien from 09.
Plaintiff filed suit to foreclose the Amended Claim of Lien on March 30,
2011.
We filed a Motion to Dismiss for the Defendant, stating that the Amended
Claim of Lien was way too late, pursuant to §713.08(4)(b) and the case of
Hayutin v. Cochran Const. Co., Inc.
The Judge denied the Motion to Dismiss stating that since the Plaintiff was
amending the last date of work performed, and since the amended claim of
lien was filed within 90 days of that new date, then it was timely.
This seems to completely gut the statute and goes against the whole
strictly construed creature of statute claim of lien law that I had
learned. Am I crazy and the Judge is right or is she off base and I should
be filing a Motion for Rehearing as soon as I can?
Thanks in advance for all your help, all you wonderful brilliant people!
Krista L. Brindle, Esq.
Andrew S. Epstein, P.A.
2120 McGregor Boulevard
Fort Myers, Florida 33901
Telephone: (239) 791-LAWS (5297)
Facsimile: (239) 791-0100
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I too find the dialogues useful and informative at times. When I don't have
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research folder or delete them. For what it is worth, I feel that the
benefits of receiving the information outweigh the hassle of deleting those
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[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Larry
Leiby
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:10 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] listserve communications
There have been complaints in the past about the time to review such
communication when members feel that they are not interested in the topic.
I also see the other educational point of view and defer to our chair, Herr
Tritt, to establish policy.
My prior understanding was that there was concern expressed by some members
about being bombarded on a topic.
There is also the issue that some members may respond privately if they are
concerned about others seeing the response (for various reasons), which is
an option at any time if the e-mail address is given (otherwise to be looked
up).
Perhaps the initial question (which obviously goes to the entire list) and
any first responses (to go to the list), with further discussion on the
issue being either:
1) public to all on the list, using discretion to not oversaturate.
2) limited to the people communicating person to person.
Members can always choose the person to person communication.
I thought that we had addressed this issue in the past but I dont find any
record of it.
Herr Tritt? Executive decision or meeting agenda item?
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
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[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Eric
Belsky
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:32 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Personally, I enjoy reading these back-and-forth dialogues and really
appreciate being included on the mailing list! The discussion is always
lively and enlightening (even if purely academic) and on almost all
occasions these exchanges tend to be pertinent to either something Im
working on, something Ive got on the back-burner, or something likely to
present itself in the future (which is why I save these discussions in my
Legal Research folder for future reference). J Of course, if its
something I genuinely have no interest in whatsoever, simply hitting the
Delete button is no great hardship... Thanks!
Leiter || Belsky
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707 Southeast Third Avenue
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[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Tom
McKeel
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:08 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
For what it is worth, I enjoy and benefit from the questions and answers.
The reading is like a continuing CLE.
_____
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[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Larry
Leiby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:34 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Krista,
I dont think that you are crazy, but I think that the trial court was
correct. In Hayutin the amended claim of lien was recorded more than 90
days after the date of last work recited in the amended claim of lien.
You still may be able to argue that you are prejudiced by the amendment, if
you can prove any prejudice. The lienor must still prove that it worked up
to the date alleged in the amended claim of lien, which work was not
warranty work.
Suggestion: When you ask a question like this you should include your
personal e-mail address so that responses need not go to all members of the
committee.
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Krista
Brindle
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Hi all,
I got a bad ruling this afternoon and I was wondering if any of you know of
some awesome caselaw that is on point off the top of your head
heres the
facts:
Plaintiff filed Claim of Lien on May 28, 2009, alleging the last work was
done on March 4, 2009.
Plaintiff filed an Amended Claim of Lien on April 7, 2010, alleging the last
work was done on March 2, 2010, but specifically stating that it was being
filed to amend the claim of lien from 09.
Plaintiff filed suit to foreclose the Amended Claim of Lien on March 30,
2011.
We filed a Motion to Dismiss for the Defendant, stating that the Amended
Claim of Lien was way too late, pursuant to §713.08(4)(b) and the case of
Hayutin v. Cochran Const. Co., Inc.
The Judge denied the Motion to Dismiss stating that since the Plaintiff was
amending the last date of work performed, and since the amended claim of
lien was filed within 90 days of that new date, then it was timely.
This seems to completely gut the statute and goes against the whole
strictly construed creature of statute claim of lien law that I had
learned. Am I crazy and the Judge is right or is she off base and I should
be filing a Motion for Rehearing as soon as I can?
Thanks in advance for all your help, all you wonderful brilliant people!
Krista L. Brindle, Esq.
Andrew S. Epstein, P.A.
2120 McGregor Boulevard
Fort Myers, Florida 33901
Telephone: (239) 791-LAWS (5297)
Facsimile: (239) 791-0100
Confidentiality: This e-mail communication is intended solely for the
addressee(s) and may contain legally privileged and confidential
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Krista Brindle
Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:55 PM
I agree, but then, I started this whole debate with my question yesterday,
so I might be somewhat biased. I belong to a couple of other very active
listservs on other areas of law and I have learned so much from the
discussions between the members.
Krista L. Brindle, Esq.
Andrew S. Epstein, P.A.
2120 McGregor Boulevard
Fort Myers, Florida 33901
Telephone: (239) 791-LAWS (5297)
Facsimile: (239) 791-0100
Confidentiality: This e-mail communication is intended solely for the
addressee(s) and may contain legally privileged and confidential
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[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of
Schulman,Beth-Ann
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:48 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] listserve communications
It is not that difficult to hit the delete button and I think the benefits
of the dialogue outweigh the burden of deleting unwanted emails.
Just my two cents.
Beth-Ann Schulman
Attorney at Law
Law Offices of Jack D. Evans
2420 Lakemont Avenue, Suite 125
Orlando, Florida 32814
Telephone: 407-388-2679
Facsimile: 855-203-0311
Cell Phone: 407-267-1374
mailto:bschulma@travelers.com bschulma@travelers.com
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Telephone: 407-388-2952
Email: mailto:rrchandr@travelers.com rrchandr@travelers.com
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Orlando Staff Counsel Office. Thank you for your cooperation
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[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Larry
Leiby
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:10 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] listserve communications
There have been complaints in the past about the time to review such
communication when members feel that they are not interested in the topic.
I also see the other educational point of view and defer to our chair, Herr
Tritt, to establish policy.
My prior understanding was that there was concern expressed by some members
about being bombarded on a topic.
There is also the issue that some members may respond privately if they are
concerned about others seeing the response (for various reasons), which is
an option at any time if the e-mail address is given (otherwise to be looked
up).
Perhaps the initial question (which obviously goes to the entire list) and
any first responses (to go to the list), with further discussion on the
issue being either:
-
public to all on the list, using discretion to not oversaturate.
-
limited to the people communicating person to person.
Members can always choose the person to person communication.
I thought that we had addressed this issue in the past but I dont find any
record of it.
Herr Tritt? Executive decision or meeting agenda item?
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Eric
Belsky
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:32 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Personally, I enjoy reading these back-and-forth dialogues and really
appreciate being included on the mailing list! The discussion is always
lively and enlightening (even if purely academic) and on almost all
occasions these exchanges tend to be pertinent to either something Im
working on, something Ive got on the back-burner, or something likely to
present itself in the future (which is why I save these discussions in my
Legal Research folder for future reference). :-) Of course, if its
something I genuinely have no interest in whatsoever, simply hitting the
Delete button is no great hardship... Thanks!
Leiter || Belsky
Eric G. Belsky, Esq.
Leiter & Belsky, P.A.
Blackstone Building, Third Floor
707 Southeast Third Avenue
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33316
954.462.3116 Telephone
954.761.8990 Facsimile
mailto:ebelsky@jlblaw.com ebelsky@jlblaw.com
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Tom
McKeel
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:08 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
For what it is worth, I enjoy and benefit from the questions and answers.
The reading is like a continuing CLE.
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]
mailto:%5bmailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org%5d On
Behalf Of Larry Leiby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:34 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Krista,
I dont think that you are crazy, but I think that the trial court was
correct. In Hayutin the amended claim of lien was recorded more than 90
days after the date of last work recited in the amended claim of lien.
You still may be able to argue that you are prejudiced by the amendment, if
you can prove any prejudice. The lienor must still prove that it worked up
to the date alleged in the amended claim of lien, which work was not
warranty work.
Suggestion: When you ask a question like this you should include your
personal e-mail address so that responses need not go to all members of the
committee.
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org]
mailto:%5bmailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org%5d On
Behalf Of Krista Brindle
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Hi all,
I got a bad ruling this afternoon and I was wondering if any of you know of
some awesome caselaw that is on point off the top of your head
heres the
facts:
Plaintiff filed Claim of Lien on May 28, 2009, alleging the last work was
done on March 4, 2009.
Plaintiff filed an Amended Claim of Lien on April 7, 2010, alleging the last
work was done on March 2, 2010, but specifically stating that it was being
filed to amend the claim of lien from 09.
Plaintiff filed suit to foreclose the Amended Claim of Lien on March 30,
2011.
We filed a Motion to Dismiss for the Defendant, stating that the Amended
Claim of Lien was way too late, pursuant to §713.08(4)(b) and the case of
Hayutin v. Cochran Const. Co., Inc.
The Judge denied the Motion to Dismiss stating that since the Plaintiff was
amending the last date of work performed, and since the amended claim of
lien was filed within 90 days of that new date, then it was timely.
This seems to completely gut the statute and goes against the whole
strictly construed creature of statute claim of lien law that I had
learned. Am I crazy and the Judge is right or is she off base and I should
be filing a Motion for Rehearing as soon as I can?
Thanks in advance for all your help, all you wonderful brilliant people!
Krista L. Brindle, Esq.
Andrew S. Epstein, P.A.
2120 McGregor Boulevard
Fort Myers, Florida 33901
Telephone: (239) 791-LAWS (5297)
Facsimile: (239) 791-0100
Confidentiality: This e-mail communication is intended solely for the
addressee(s) and may contain legally privileged and confidential
information. If you are not the addressee or an authorized representative,
you are advised that any review, disclosure, reproduction, or other
dissemination or use of this communication or any information contained
herein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in
error, please immediately advise the sender either by reply e-mail or call
at (239) 791-5297; delete this communication and destroy all physical
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All e-mail communications are electronically filtered for "spam" and
"viruses." Filtering may result in communications being quarantined (i.e.,
potentially not received at our site at all) or delayed in reaching us.
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to legal privileges, and is intended for the sole use of the addressee. Any
use, duplication, disclosure or dissemination of this communication, other
than by the addressee, is prohibited. If you have received this
communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete or
destroy this communication and all copies.
I agree, but then, I started this whole debate with my question yesterday,
so I might be somewhat biased. I belong to a couple of other very active
listservs on other areas of law and I have learned so much from the
discussions between the members.
Krista L. Brindle, Esq.
Andrew S. Epstein, P.A.
2120 McGregor Boulevard
Fort Myers, Florida 33901
Telephone: (239) 791-LAWS (5297)
Facsimile: (239) 791-0100
Confidentiality: This e-mail communication is intended solely for the
addressee(s) and may contain legally privileged and confidential
information. If you are not the addressee or an authorized representative,
you are advised that any review, disclosure, reproduction, or other
dissemination or use of this communication or any information contained
herein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in
error, please immediately advise the sender either by reply e-mail or call
at (239) 791-5297; delete this communication and destroy all physical
copies.
All e-mail communications are electronically filtered for "spam" and
"viruses." Filtering may result in communications being quarantined (i.e.,
potentially not received at our site at all) or delayed in reaching us.
Therefore, we cannot guarantee that we will receive your e-mail or that we
will receive it in a timely manner. Accordingly, important or
time-sensitive communications should be sent to us by means other than
e-mail.
_____
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[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of
Schulman,Beth-Ann
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:48 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] listserve communications
It is not that difficult to hit the delete button and I think the benefits
of the dialogue outweigh the burden of deleting unwanted emails.
Just my two cents.
____________________________________________________
Beth-Ann Schulman
Attorney at Law
Law Offices of Jack D. Evans
2420 Lakemont Avenue, Suite 125
Orlando, Florida 32814
Telephone: 407-388-2679
Facsimile: 855-203-0311
Cell Phone: 407-267-1374
<mailto:bschulma@travelers.com> bschulma@travelers.com
Sr. Legal Assistant: Rameela Chandraseka
Telephone: 407-388-2952
Email: <mailto:rrchandr@travelers.com> rrchandr@travelers.com
We strive to be a paperless office. I encourage you to send all
correspondence, pleadings, discovery, production, and every other
transmittable item via email or fax instead of US Mail when at all possible.
When this form of transmittal occurs, it is not necessary to send a separate
copy via US mail. This request applies to all attorneys and staff in the
Orlando Staff Counsel Office. Thank you for your cooperation
_____
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Larry
Leiby
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:10 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] listserve communications
There have been complaints in the past about the time to review such
communication when members feel that they are not interested in the topic.
I also see the other educational point of view and defer to our chair, Herr
Tritt, to establish policy.
My prior understanding was that there was concern expressed by some members
about being bombarded on a topic.
There is also the issue that some members may respond privately if they are
concerned about others seeing the response (for various reasons), which is
an option at any time if the e-mail address is given (otherwise to be looked
up).
Perhaps the initial question (which obviously goes to the entire list) and
any first responses (to go to the list), with further discussion on the
issue being either:
1) public to all on the list, using discretion to not oversaturate.
2) limited to the people communicating person to person.
Members can always choose the person to person communication.
I thought that we had addressed this issue in the past but I dont find any
record of it.
Herr Tritt? Executive decision or meeting agenda item?
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Eric
Belsky
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:32 AM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Personally, I enjoy reading these back-and-forth dialogues and really
appreciate being included on the mailing list! The discussion is always
lively and enlightening (even if purely academic) and on almost all
occasions these exchanges tend to be pertinent to either something Im
working on, something Ive got on the back-burner, or something likely to
present itself in the future (which is why I save these discussions in my
Legal Research folder for future reference). :-) Of course, if its
something I genuinely have no interest in whatsoever, simply hitting the
Delete button is no great hardship... Thanks!
Leiter || Belsky
Eric G. Belsky, Esq.
Leiter & Belsky, P.A.
Blackstone Building, Third Floor
707 Southeast Third Avenue
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33316
954.462.3116 Telephone
954.761.8990 Facsimile
<mailto:ebelsky@jlblaw.com> ebelsky@jlblaw.com
_____
From: constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org
[mailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Tom
McKeel
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:08 AM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
For what it is worth, I enjoy and benefit from the questions and answers.
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Behalf Of Larry Leiby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:34 PM
To: RPPTL constructionlaw
Subject: Re: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Krista,
I dont think that you are crazy, but I think that the trial court was
correct. In Hayutin the amended claim of lien was recorded more than 90
days after the date of last work recited in the amended claim of lien.
You still may be able to argue that you are prejudiced by the amendment, if
you can prove any prejudice. The lienor must still prove that it worked up
to the date alleged in the amended claim of lien, which work was not
warranty work.
Suggestion: When you ask a question like this you should include your
personal e-mail address so that responses need not go to all members of the
committee.
Larry R. Leiby, Esq.
Malka & Kravitz, P.A.
1300 Sawgrass Corp. Pkwy., Suite 100
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33323
Phone: 954-514-0984
Fax: 954-514-0985
e-mail: leiby@mkpalaw.com
Board Certified in Construction Law
Certified Circuit Court Civil Mediator
Fellow, College of Commercial Arbitrators
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<mailto:%5bmailto:constructionlaw-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org%5d> On
Behalf Of Krista Brindle
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'RPPTL constructionlaw'
Subject: [RPPTL-constructionlaw] Timeliness of Amended Claim of Lien
Hi all,
I got a bad ruling this afternoon and I was wondering if any of you know of
some awesome caselaw that is on point off the top of your head
heres the
facts:
Plaintiff filed Claim of Lien on May 28, 2009, alleging the last work was
done on March 4, 2009.
Plaintiff filed an Amended Claim of Lien on April 7, 2010, alleging the last
work was done on March 2, 2010, but specifically stating that it was being
filed to amend the claim of lien from 09.
Plaintiff filed suit to foreclose the Amended Claim of Lien on March 30,
2011.
We filed a Motion to Dismiss for the Defendant, stating that the Amended
Claim of Lien was way too late, pursuant to §713.08(4)(b) and the case of
Hayutin v. Cochran Const. Co., Inc.
The Judge denied the Motion to Dismiss stating that since the Plaintiff was
amending the last date of work performed, and since the amended claim of
lien was filed within 90 days of that new date, then it was timely.
This seems to completely gut the statute and goes against the whole
strictly construed creature of statute claim of lien law that I had
learned. Am I crazy and the Judge is right or is she off base and I should
be filing a Motion for Rehearing as soon as I can?
Thanks in advance for all your help, all you wonderful brilliant people!
Krista L. Brindle, Esq.
Andrew S. Epstein, P.A.
2120 McGregor Boulevard
Fort Myers, Florida 33901
Telephone: (239) 791-LAWS (5297)
Facsimile: (239) 791-0100
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