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Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law

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Alberto Cardet
Fri, Jul 9, 2010 6:46 PM

As far as a tenant being in a legitimate rent withholding situation and the new condo law, the new law specifically states that the CA/HOA has no duties under section 83.51, so it seems that defense is out. More of a mess or issue is if the CA/HOA decides to evict who is the Court putting in possession of the premises? The Writ of Possession will put who in possession? the CA/HOA?

As far as the FDCPA, no one other than the landlord should issue a 3-day notice, even placing the FDCPA language on a 3-day notice is a problem, because you are overshadowing the 30 day debt validation period of the FDCPA - I think this may present a problem for CA/HOA issuing 3-day notices under the new law.

Alberto M. Cardet, P.A.
1330 Coral Way #301
Miami Fl 33145
305-403-7783
305-403-7824 (fax)

--- sabollawoffice@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Cary Sabol <sabollawoffice@yahoo.com>
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee <landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org>
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:22:03 -0700 (PDT)

Do you include a separate FDCPA Notice attached to the 3 Day or do you include additional FDCPA language in the 3 day itself?

Cary P. Sabol, Esq.

P.O. Box 15981

West Palm Beach, Florida 33416

Phone: (561) 281-2744

Fax: (561) 697-4805

Confidentiality Notice: This email transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein is STRICTLY PROHIBITED.

--- On Fri, 7/9/10, harry@evict.com <harry@evict.com> wrote:

From: harry@evict.com <harry@evict.com>
Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law
To: landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 12:42 PM

Hi All,

We have already had over 10 situations regarding this and the CA/HOA making the rent demand. The law is indeed a mess.

The result is going to be property manager losing accounts and CA/HOA's making this a continuing payment to them and abusing it.

What about repairs? What about if a tenant is in a legitimate rent withholding posture? What about the definition of landlord in FS 83 and this new law?

Attached is what I am sending my property manager clients to encourage the CA/HOA to keep the property manager in the loop.

Additionally, if an attorney sends a demand letter to the tenant, I believe it must comply with the FDCPA. And just a reminder. NEVER prepare a Three Day Notice for a client with your name on it without complying with the FDCPA.

Here is my sample form.

Harry Heist

LAW OFFICES OF
HEIST, WEISSE & DAVIS, P.A.
PH: 1 800 253 8428
FAX: 1 800 367 9038
"Serving the Property Management Professional"
Website: www.evict.com
Email: harry@evict.com

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harry (at) evict.com
Fri, Jul 9, 2010 6:55 PM

Interestingly, I see many 3 Day Notices from the Southeast Florida area with the Validation Wording on them. I was always curious who or what started this.

I believe a good argument can be made that the CA/HOA is not a "debt collector" as the new law makes them in a sense the original creditor.

Harry

LAW OFFICES OF
HEIST, WEISSE & DAVIS, P.A.
PH: 1 800 253 8428
FAX: 1 800 367 9038
"Serving the Property Management Professional"
Website:  www.evict.com http://www.evict.com/
Email: harry@evict.com

THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL, ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED, AND INTENDED FOR THE PERSONS NAMED ABOVE ONLY.  ALL OTHER USE, COPYING, OR DISTRIBUTION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED.

From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Alberto Cardet
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:47 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law

As far as a tenant being in a legitimate rent withholding situation and the new condo law, the new law specifically states that the CA/HOA has no duties under section 83.51, so it seems that defense is out.  More of a mess or issue is if the CA/HOA decides to evict who is the Court putting in possession of the premises?  The Writ of Possession will put who in possession? the CA/HOA?

As far as the FDCPA, no one other than the landlord should issue a 3-day notice, even placing the FDCPA language on a 3-day notice is a problem, because you are overshadowing the 30 day debt validation period of the FDCPA - I think this may present a problem for CA/HOA issuing 3-day notices under the new law.

Alberto M. Cardet, P.A.
1330 Coral Way #301
Miami Fl 33145
305-403-7783
305-403-7824 (fax)

--- sabollawoffice@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Cary Sabol sabollawoffice@yahoo.com
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:22:03 -0700 (PDT)

Do you include a separate FDCPA Notice attached to the 3 Day or do you include additional FDCPA language in the 3 day itself?

Cary P. Sabol, Esq.

P.O. Box 15981

West Palm Beach, Florida 33416

Phone: (561) 281-2744

Fax:    (561) 697-4805

Confidentiality Notice: This email transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be legally privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein is STRICTLY PROHIBITED.

--- On Fri, 7/9/10, harry@evict.com harry@evict.com wrote:

From: harry@evict.com harry@evict.com
Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law
To: landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 12:42 PM

Hi All,

We have already had over 10 situations regarding this and the CA/HOA making the rent demand.  The law is indeed a mess.

The result is going to be property manager losing accounts and CA/HOA's making this a continuing payment to them and abusing it.

What about repairs? What about if a tenant is in a legitimate rent withholding posture?  What about the definition of landlord in FS 83 and this new law?

Attached is what I am sending my property manager clients to encourage the CA/HOA to keep the property manager in the loop.

Additionally, if an attorney sends a demand letter to the tenant, I believe it must comply with the FDCPA.  And just a reminder. NEVER prepare a Three Day Notice for a client with your name on it without complying with the FDCPA.

Here is my sample form.

Harry Heist

LAW OFFICES OF
HEIST, WEISSE & DAVIS, P.A.
PH: 1 800 253 8428
FAX: 1 800 367 9038
"Serving the Property Management Professional"
Website:  www.evict.com http://www.evict.com/
Email: harry@evict.com http://us.mc578.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=harry@evict.com

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Interestingly, I see many 3 Day Notices from the Southeast Florida area with the Validation Wording on them. I was always curious who or what started this. I believe a good argument can be made that the CA/HOA is not a "debt collector" as the new law makes them in a sense the original creditor. Harry LAW OFFICES OF HEIST, WEISSE & DAVIS, P.A. PH: 1 800 253 8428 FAX: 1 800 367 9038 "Serving the Property Management Professional" Website: www.evict.com <http://www.evict.com/> Email: harry@evict.com THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL, ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED, AND INTENDED FOR THE PERSONS NAMED ABOVE ONLY. ALL OTHER USE, COPYING, OR DISTRIBUTION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Alberto Cardet Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:47 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law As far as a tenant being in a legitimate rent withholding situation and the new condo law, the new law specifically states that the CA/HOA has no duties under section 83.51, so it seems that defense is out. More of a mess or issue is if the CA/HOA decides to evict who is the Court putting in possession of the premises? The Writ of Possession will put who in possession? the CA/HOA? As far as the FDCPA, no one other than the landlord should issue a 3-day notice, even placing the FDCPA language on a 3-day notice is a problem, because you are overshadowing the 30 day debt validation period of the FDCPA - I think this may present a problem for CA/HOA issuing 3-day notices under the new law. Alberto M. Cardet, P.A. 1330 Coral Way #301 Miami Fl 33145 305-403-7783 305-403-7824 (fax) --- sabollawoffice@yahoo.com wrote: From: Cary Sabol <sabollawoffice@yahoo.com> To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee <landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Do you include a separate FDCPA Notice attached to the 3 Day or do you include additional FDCPA language in the 3 day itself? Cary P. Sabol, Esq. P.O. Box 15981 West Palm Beach, Florida 33416 Phone: (561) 281-2744 Fax: (561) 697-4805 Confidentiality Notice: This email transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. --- On Fri, 7/9/10, harry@evict.com <harry@evict.com> wrote: From: harry@evict.com <harry@evict.com> Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law To: landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 12:42 PM Hi All, We have already had over 10 situations regarding this and the CA/HOA making the rent demand. The law is indeed a mess. The result is going to be property manager losing accounts and CA/HOA's making this a continuing payment to them and abusing it. What about repairs? What about if a tenant is in a legitimate rent withholding posture? What about the definition of landlord in FS 83 and this new law? Attached is what I am sending my property manager clients to encourage the CA/HOA to keep the property manager in the loop. Additionally, if an attorney sends a demand letter to the tenant, I believe it must comply with the FDCPA. And just a reminder. NEVER prepare a Three Day Notice for a client with your name on it without complying with the FDCPA. Here is my sample form. Harry Heist LAW OFFICES OF HEIST, WEISSE & DAVIS, P.A. PH: 1 800 253 8428 FAX: 1 800 367 9038 "Serving the Property Management Professional" Website: www.evict.com <http://www.evict.com/> Email: harry@evict.com <http://us.mc578.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=harry@evict.com> THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL, ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED, AND INTENDED FOR THE PERSONS NAMED ABOVE ONLY. ALL OTHER USE, COPYING, OR DISTRIBUTION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ landten mailing list landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org <http://us.mc578.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/landten _______________________________________________ landten mailing list landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org <http://mail.justice.com/eonapps/ft/wm/page/compose?send_to=landten%40lists.flabarrpptl.org> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/landten _____ Find a local lawyer and free legal information at FindLaw.com.
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lesstevens
Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:01 PM

I have recommended that the Association in approving any Lease require an Addendum which outlines the rights of the Association to collect assessments from tenants and subjecting them to eviction…Therefore, the obligation is part of the Lease itself and not a “debt” (agreeing with Harry)….This way the Court looks at the document as enforcement of a Lease.

From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of harry@evict.com
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:56 PM
To: 'RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee'
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law

Interestingly, I see many 3 Day Notices from the Southeast Florida area with the Validation Wording on them. I was always curious who or what started this.

I believe a good argument can be made that the CA/HOA is not a "debt collector" as the new law makes them in a sense the original creditor.

Harry

LAW OFFICES OF
HEIST, WEISSE & DAVIS, P.A.
PH: 1 800 253 8428
FAX: 1 800 367 9038
"Serving the Property Management Professional"
Website:  www.evict.com http://www.evict.com/
Email: harry@evict.com

THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL, ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED, AND INTENDED FOR THE PERSONS NAMED ABOVE ONLY.  ALL OTHER USE, COPYING, OR DISTRIBUTION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED.

From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Alberto Cardet
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:47 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law

As far as a tenant being in a legitimate rent withholding situation and the new condo law, the new law specifically states that the CA/HOA has no duties under section 83.51, so it seems that defense is out.  More of a mess or issue is if the CA/HOA decides to evict who is the Court putting in possession of the premises?  The Writ of Possession will put who in possession? the CA/HOA?

As far as the FDCPA, no one other than the landlord should issue a 3-day notice, even placing the FDCPA language on a 3-day notice is a problem, because you are overshadowing the 30 day debt validation period of the FDCPA - I think this may present a problem for CA/HOA issuing 3-day notices under the new law.

Alberto M. Cardet, P.A.
1330 Coral Way #301
Miami Fl 33145
305-403-7783
305-403-7824 (fax)

--- sabollawoffice@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Cary Sabol sabollawoffice@yahoo.com
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:22:03 -0700 (PDT)

Do you include a separate FDCPA Notice attached to the 3 Day or do you include additional FDCPA language in the 3 day itself?

Cary P. Sabol, Esq.

P.O. Box 15981

West Palm Beach, Florida 33416

Phone: (561) 281-2744

Fax:    (561) 697-4805

Confidentiality Notice: This email transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be legally privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein is STRICTLY PROHIBITED.

--- On Fri, 7/9/10, harry@evict.com harry@evict.com wrote:

From: harry@evict.com harry@evict.com
Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law
To: landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 12:42 PM

Hi All,

We have already had over 10 situations regarding this and the CA/HOA making the rent demand.  The law is indeed a mess.

The result is going to be property manager losing accounts and CA/HOA's making this a continuing payment to them and abusing it.

What about repairs? What about if a tenant is in a legitimate rent withholding posture?  What about the definition of landlord in FS 83 and this new law?

Attached is what I am sending my property manager clients to encourage the CA/HOA to keep the property manager in the loop.

Additionally, if an attorney sends a demand letter to the tenant, I believe it must comply with the FDCPA.  And just a reminder. NEVER prepare a Three Day Notice for a client with your name on it without complying with the FDCPA.

Here is my sample form.

Harry Heist

LAW OFFICES OF
HEIST, WEISSE & DAVIS, P.A.
PH: 1 800 253 8428
FAX: 1 800 367 9038
"Serving the Property Management Professional"
Website:  www.evict.com http://www.evict.com/
Email: harry@evict.com http://us.mc578.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=harry@evict.com

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I have recommended that the Association in approving any Lease require an Addendum which outlines the rights of the Association to collect assessments from tenants and subjecting them to eviction…Therefore, the obligation is part of the Lease itself and not a “debt” (agreeing with Harry)….This way the Court looks at the document as enforcement of a Lease. From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of harry@evict.com Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:56 PM To: 'RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee' Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law Interestingly, I see many 3 Day Notices from the Southeast Florida area with the Validation Wording on them. I was always curious who or what started this. I believe a good argument can be made that the CA/HOA is not a "debt collector" as the new law makes them in a sense the original creditor. Harry LAW OFFICES OF HEIST, WEISSE & DAVIS, P.A. PH: 1 800 253 8428 FAX: 1 800 367 9038 "Serving the Property Management Professional" Website: www.evict.com <http://www.evict.com/> Email: harry@evict.com THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL, ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED, AND INTENDED FOR THE PERSONS NAMED ABOVE ONLY. ALL OTHER USE, COPYING, OR DISTRIBUTION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Alberto Cardet Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:47 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law As far as a tenant being in a legitimate rent withholding situation and the new condo law, the new law specifically states that the CA/HOA has no duties under section 83.51, so it seems that defense is out. More of a mess or issue is if the CA/HOA decides to evict who is the Court putting in possession of the premises? The Writ of Possession will put who in possession? the CA/HOA? As far as the FDCPA, no one other than the landlord should issue a 3-day notice, even placing the FDCPA language on a 3-day notice is a problem, because you are overshadowing the 30 day debt validation period of the FDCPA - I think this may present a problem for CA/HOA issuing 3-day notices under the new law. Alberto M. Cardet, P.A. 1330 Coral Way #301 Miami Fl 33145 305-403-7783 305-403-7824 (fax) --- sabollawoffice@yahoo.com wrote: From: Cary Sabol <sabollawoffice@yahoo.com> To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee <landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Do you include a separate FDCPA Notice attached to the 3 Day or do you include additional FDCPA language in the 3 day itself? Cary P. Sabol, Esq. P.O. Box 15981 West Palm Beach, Florida 33416 Phone: (561) 281-2744 Fax: (561) 697-4805 Confidentiality Notice: This email transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. --- On Fri, 7/9/10, harry@evict.com <harry@evict.com> wrote: From: harry@evict.com <harry@evict.com> Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law To: landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 12:42 PM Hi All, We have already had over 10 situations regarding this and the CA/HOA making the rent demand. The law is indeed a mess. The result is going to be property manager losing accounts and CA/HOA's making this a continuing payment to them and abusing it. What about repairs? What about if a tenant is in a legitimate rent withholding posture? What about the definition of landlord in FS 83 and this new law? Attached is what I am sending my property manager clients to encourage the CA/HOA to keep the property manager in the loop. Additionally, if an attorney sends a demand letter to the tenant, I believe it must comply with the FDCPA. And just a reminder. NEVER prepare a Three Day Notice for a client with your name on it without complying with the FDCPA. Here is my sample form. Harry Heist LAW OFFICES OF HEIST, WEISSE & DAVIS, P.A. PH: 1 800 253 8428 FAX: 1 800 367 9038 "Serving the Property Management Professional" Website: www.evict.com <http://www.evict.com/> Email: harry@evict.com <http://us.mc578.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=harry@evict.com> THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL, ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED, AND INTENDED FOR THE PERSONS NAMED ABOVE ONLY. ALL OTHER USE, COPYING, OR DISTRIBUTION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ landten mailing list landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org <http://us.mc578.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/landten _______________________________________________ landten mailing list landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org <http://mail.justice.com/eonapps/ft/wm/page/compose?send_to=landten%40lists.flabarrpptl.org> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/landten _____ Find a local lawyer and free legal information at FindLaw.com.
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lesstevens
Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:02 PM

I have recommended that the Association in approving any Lease require an Addendum which outlines the rights of the Association to collect assessments from tenants and subjecting them to eviction…Therefore, the obligation is part of the Lease itself and not a “debt” (agreeing with Harry)….This way the Court looks at the document as enforcement of a Lease.

Les H. Stevens, Esquire

Les H. Stevens, P.A.

5301 North Federal Highway

Suite 130

Boca Raton, Florida 33487

Tel. - (561) 989-9797

Fax - (561) 989-8484

E-Mail - lesstevens@earthlink.net


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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of harry@evict.com
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:56 PM
To: 'RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee'
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law

Interestingly, I see many 3 Day Notices from the Southeast Florida area with the Validation Wording on them. I was always curious who or what started this.

I believe a good argument can be made that the CA/HOA is not a "debt collector" as the new law makes them in a sense the original creditor.

Harry

LAW OFFICES OF
HEIST, WEISSE & DAVIS, P.A.
PH: 1 800 253 8428
FAX: 1 800 367 9038
"Serving the Property Management Professional"
Website:  www.evict.com http://www.evict.com/
Email: harry@evict.com

THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL, ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED, AND INTENDED FOR THE PERSONS NAMED ABOVE ONLY.  ALL OTHER USE, COPYING, OR DISTRIBUTION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED.

From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Alberto Cardet
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:47 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law

As far as a tenant being in a legitimate rent withholding situation and the new condo law, the new law specifically states that the CA/HOA has no duties under section 83.51, so it seems that defense is out.  More of a mess or issue is if the CA/HOA decides to evict who is the Court putting in possession of the premises?  The Writ of Possession will put who in possession? the CA/HOA?

As far as the FDCPA, no one other than the landlord should issue a 3-day notice, even placing the FDCPA language on a 3-day notice is a problem, because you are overshadowing the 30 day debt validation period of the FDCPA - I think this may present a problem for CA/HOA issuing 3-day notices under the new law.

Alberto M. Cardet, P.A.
1330 Coral Way #301
Miami Fl 33145
305-403-7783
305-403-7824 (fax)

--- sabollawoffice@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Cary Sabol sabollawoffice@yahoo.com
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:22:03 -0700 (PDT)

Do you include a separate FDCPA Notice attached to the 3 Day or do you include additional FDCPA language in the 3 day itself?

Cary P. Sabol, Esq.

P.O. Box 15981

West Palm Beach, Florida 33416

Phone: (561) 281-2744

Fax:    (561) 697-4805

Confidentiality Notice: This email transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be legally privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein is STRICTLY PROHIBITED.

--- On Fri, 7/9/10, harry@evict.com harry@evict.com wrote:

From: harry@evict.com harry@evict.com
Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law
To: landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 12:42 PM

Hi All,

We have already had over 10 situations regarding this and the CA/HOA making the rent demand.  The law is indeed a mess.

The result is going to be property manager losing accounts and CA/HOA's making this a continuing payment to them and abusing it.

What about repairs? What about if a tenant is in a legitimate rent withholding posture?  What about the definition of landlord in FS 83 and this new law?

Attached is what I am sending my property manager clients to encourage the CA/HOA to keep the property manager in the loop.

Additionally, if an attorney sends a demand letter to the tenant, I believe it must comply with the FDCPA.  And just a reminder. NEVER prepare a Three Day Notice for a client with your name on it without complying with the FDCPA.

Here is my sample form.

Harry Heist

LAW OFFICES OF
HEIST, WEISSE & DAVIS, P.A.
PH: 1 800 253 8428
FAX: 1 800 367 9038
"Serving the Property Management Professional"
Website:  www.evict.com http://www.evict.com/
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I have recommended that the Association in approving any Lease require an Addendum which outlines the rights of the Association to collect assessments from tenants and subjecting them to eviction…Therefore, the obligation is part of the Lease itself and not a “debt” (agreeing with Harry)….This way the Court looks at the document as enforcement of a Lease. Les H. Stevens, Esquire Les H. Stevens, P.A. 5301 North Federal Highway Suite 130 Boca Raton, Florida 33487 Tel. - (561) 989-9797 Fax - (561) 989-8484 E-Mail - lesstevens@earthlink.net ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHOM IT IS ADDRESSED, AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS TRANSMITTAL IN ERROR, PLEASE DELETE IT AND NOTIFY THIS OFFICE IMMEDIATELY From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of harry@evict.com Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:56 PM To: 'RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee' Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law Interestingly, I see many 3 Day Notices from the Southeast Florida area with the Validation Wording on them. I was always curious who or what started this. I believe a good argument can be made that the CA/HOA is not a "debt collector" as the new law makes them in a sense the original creditor. Harry LAW OFFICES OF HEIST, WEISSE & DAVIS, P.A. PH: 1 800 253 8428 FAX: 1 800 367 9038 "Serving the Property Management Professional" Website: www.evict.com <http://www.evict.com/> Email: harry@evict.com THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL, ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED, AND INTENDED FOR THE PERSONS NAMED ABOVE ONLY. ALL OTHER USE, COPYING, OR DISTRIBUTION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Alberto Cardet Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:47 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law As far as a tenant being in a legitimate rent withholding situation and the new condo law, the new law specifically states that the CA/HOA has no duties under section 83.51, so it seems that defense is out. More of a mess or issue is if the CA/HOA decides to evict who is the Court putting in possession of the premises? The Writ of Possession will put who in possession? the CA/HOA? As far as the FDCPA, no one other than the landlord should issue a 3-day notice, even placing the FDCPA language on a 3-day notice is a problem, because you are overshadowing the 30 day debt validation period of the FDCPA - I think this may present a problem for CA/HOA issuing 3-day notices under the new law. Alberto M. Cardet, P.A. 1330 Coral Way #301 Miami Fl 33145 305-403-7783 305-403-7824 (fax) --- sabollawoffice@yahoo.com wrote: From: Cary Sabol <sabollawoffice@yahoo.com> To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee <landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Do you include a separate FDCPA Notice attached to the 3 Day or do you include additional FDCPA language in the 3 day itself? Cary P. Sabol, Esq. P.O. Box 15981 West Palm Beach, Florida 33416 Phone: (561) 281-2744 Fax: (561) 697-4805 Confidentiality Notice: This email transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. --- On Fri, 7/9/10, harry@evict.com <harry@evict.com> wrote: From: harry@evict.com <harry@evict.com> Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law To: landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 12:42 PM Hi All, We have already had over 10 situations regarding this and the CA/HOA making the rent demand. The law is indeed a mess. The result is going to be property manager losing accounts and CA/HOA's making this a continuing payment to them and abusing it. What about repairs? What about if a tenant is in a legitimate rent withholding posture? What about the definition of landlord in FS 83 and this new law? Attached is what I am sending my property manager clients to encourage the CA/HOA to keep the property manager in the loop. Additionally, if an attorney sends a demand letter to the tenant, I believe it must comply with the FDCPA. And just a reminder. NEVER prepare a Three Day Notice for a client with your name on it without complying with the FDCPA. Here is my sample form. Harry Heist LAW OFFICES OF HEIST, WEISSE & DAVIS, P.A. PH: 1 800 253 8428 FAX: 1 800 367 9038 "Serving the Property Management Professional" Website: www.evict.com <http://www.evict.com/> Email: harry@evict.com <http://us.mc578.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=harry@evict.com> THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL, ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED, AND INTENDED FOR THE PERSONS NAMED ABOVE ONLY. 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Shane Weaver
Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:40 PM

For FDCPA purposes, isn’t this the unit-owner’s debt, not the tenant’s? And does the statute protect against the FDCPA’s prohibition on disclosing someone’s debt to a third party (the tenant)?

Shane Weaver, Esq.
Legal Aid Society of Palm Beach County
423 Fern Street, Suite 200
West Palm Beach, FL 33401
Tel. (561) 822-9785
Fax (561) 655-5269

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Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:56 PM
To: 'RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee'
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law

Interestingly, I see many 3 Day Notices from the Southeast Florida area with the Validation Wording on them. I was always curious who or what started this.

I believe a good argument can be made that the CA/HOA is not a "debt collector" as the new law makes them in a sense the original creditor.

Harry

LAW OFFICES OF
HEIST, WEISSE & DAVIS, P.A.
PH: 1 800 253 8428
FAX: 1 800 367 9038
"Serving the Property Management Professional"
Website:  www.evict.comhttp://www.evict.com/
Email: harry@evict.commailto:harry@evict.com
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From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Alberto Cardet
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:47 PM
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law

As far as a tenant being in a legitimate rent withholding situation and the new condo law, the new law specifically states that the CA/HOA has no duties under section 83.51, so it seems that defense is out.  More of a mess or issue is if the CA/HOA decides to evict who is the Court putting in possession of the premises?  The Writ of Possession will put who in possession? the CA/HOA?

As far as the FDCPA, no one other than the landlord should issue a 3-day notice, even placing the FDCPA language on a 3-day notice is a problem, because you are overshadowing the 30 day debt validation period of the FDCPA - I think this may present a problem for CA/HOA issuing 3-day notices under the new law.

Alberto M. Cardet, P.A.
1330 Coral Way #301
Miami Fl 33145
305-403-7783
305-403-7824 (fax)

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From: Cary Sabol sabollawoffice@yahoo.com
To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:22:03 -0700 (PDT)
Do you include a separate FDCPA Notice attached to the 3 Day or do you include additional FDCPA language in the 3 day itself?
Cary P. Sabol, Esq.
P.O. Box 15981
West Palm Beach, Florida 33416
Phone: (561) 281-2744
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From: harry@evict.com harry@evict.com
Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law
To: landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 12:42 PM

Hi All,

We have already had over 10 situations regarding this and the CA/HOA making the rent demand.  The law is indeed a mess.

The result is going to be property manager losing accounts and CA/HOA's making this a continuing payment to them and abusing it.

What about repairs? What about if a tenant is in a legitimate rent withholding posture?  What about the definition of landlord in FS 83 and this new law?

Attached is what I am sending my property manager clients to encourage the CA/HOA to keep the property manager in the loop.

Additionally, if an attorney sends a demand letter to the tenant, I believe it must comply with the FDCPA.  And just a reminder. NEVER prepare a Three Day Notice for a client with your name on it without complying with the FDCPA.

Here is my sample form.

Harry Heist

LAW OFFICES OF
HEIST, WEISSE & DAVIS, P.A.
PH: 1 800 253 8428
FAX: 1 800 367 9038
"Serving the Property Management Professional"
Website:  www.evict.comhttp://www.evict.com/
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For FDCPA purposes, isn’t this the unit-owner’s debt, not the tenant’s? And does the statute protect against the FDCPA’s prohibition on disclosing someone’s debt to a third party (the tenant)? Shane Weaver, Esq. Legal Aid Society of Palm Beach County 423 Fern Street, Suite 200 West Palm Beach, FL 33401 Tel. (561) 822-9785 Fax (561) 655-5269 From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of harry@evict.com Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:56 PM To: 'RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee' Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law Interestingly, I see many 3 Day Notices from the Southeast Florida area with the Validation Wording on them. I was always curious who or what started this. I believe a good argument can be made that the CA/HOA is not a "debt collector" as the new law makes them in a sense the original creditor. Harry LAW OFFICES OF HEIST, WEISSE & DAVIS, P.A. PH: 1 800 253 8428 FAX: 1 800 367 9038 "Serving the Property Management Professional" Website: www.evict.com<http://www.evict.com/> Email: harry@evict.com<mailto:harry@evict.com> THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL, ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED, AND INTENDED FOR THE PERSONS NAMED ABOVE ONLY. ALL OTHER USE, COPYING, OR DISTRIBUTION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Alberto Cardet Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:47 PM To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law As far as a tenant being in a legitimate rent withholding situation and the new condo law, the new law specifically states that the CA/HOA has no duties under section 83.51, so it seems that defense is out. More of a mess or issue is if the CA/HOA decides to evict who is the Court putting in possession of the premises? The Writ of Possession will put who in possession? the CA/HOA? As far as the FDCPA, no one other than the landlord should issue a 3-day notice, even placing the FDCPA language on a 3-day notice is a problem, because you are overshadowing the 30 day debt validation period of the FDCPA - I think this may present a problem for CA/HOA issuing 3-day notices under the new law. Alberto M. Cardet, P.A. 1330 Coral Way #301 Miami Fl 33145 305-403-7783 305-403-7824 (fax) --- sabollawoffice@yahoo.com wrote: From: Cary Sabol <sabollawoffice@yahoo.com> To: RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee <landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: Re: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Do you include a separate FDCPA Notice attached to the 3 Day or do you include additional FDCPA language in the 3 day itself? Cary P. Sabol, Esq. P.O. Box 15981 West Palm Beach, Florida 33416 Phone: (561) 281-2744 Fax: (561) 697-4805 Confidentiality Notice: This email transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. --- On Fri, 7/9/10, harry@evict.com <harry@evict.com> wrote: From: harry@evict.com <harry@evict.com> Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] The new condo law To: landten@lists.flabarrpptl.org Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 12:42 PM Hi All, We have already had over 10 situations regarding this and the CA/HOA making the rent demand. The law is indeed a mess. The result is going to be property manager losing accounts and CA/HOA's making this a continuing payment to them and abusing it. What about repairs? What about if a tenant is in a legitimate rent withholding posture? What about the definition of landlord in FS 83 and this new law? Attached is what I am sending my property manager clients to encourage the CA/HOA to keep the property manager in the loop. Additionally, if an attorney sends a demand letter to the tenant, I believe it must comply with the FDCPA. And just a reminder. NEVER prepare a Three Day Notice for a client with your name on it without complying with the FDCPA. Here is my sample form. Harry Heist LAW OFFICES OF HEIST, WEISSE & DAVIS, P.A. PH: 1 800 253 8428 FAX: 1 800 367 9038 "Serving the Property Management Professional" Website: www.evict.com<http://www.evict.com/> Email: harry@evict.com<http://us.mc578.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=harry@evict.com> THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL, ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED, AND INTENDED FOR THE PERSONS NAMED ABOVE ONLY. 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harry (at) evict.com
Wed, Aug 25, 2010 8:32 PM

I apologize in advance if this is the wrong forum but I have a client who needs a commercial eviction in Dade and we do not do commercial.  I would like to see them use an attorney from this group.

Please email me at harry@evict.com if you are interested. It is a large national REIT.

Thanks,

Harry

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HEIST, WEISSE & DAVIS, P.A.
PH: 1 800 253 8428
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I apologize in advance if this is the wrong forum but I have a client who needs a commercial eviction in Dade and we do not do commercial. I would like to see them use an attorney from this group. Please email me at harry@evict.com if you are interested. It is a large national REIT. Thanks, Harry LAW OFFICES OF HEIST, WEISSE & DAVIS, P.A. PH: 1 800 253 8428 FAX: 1 800 367 9038 "Serving the Property Management Professional" Website: www.evict.com <http://www.evict.com/> Email: harry@evict.com THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL, ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED, AND INTENDED FOR THE PERSONS NAMED ABOVE ONLY. ALL OTHER USE, COPYING, OR DISTRIBUTION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED.
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carol.faber (at) akerman.com
Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:05 PM

Harry,
Did you find someone?  We should be able to help (assuming no conflict).
Carol

Carol Schoffel Faber, Esq.

Akerman Senterfitt

One S.E. Third Avenue

Suite 2500

Miami, Florida 33131

Phone:  305-374-5600

Direct: 305-982-5559

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Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:32 PM
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Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] Need commercial attorney for eviction in Dade.

I apologize in advance if this is the wrong forum but I have a client
who needs a commercial eviction in Dade and we do not do commercial.  I
would like to see them use an attorney from this group.

Please email me at harry@evict.com if you are interested. It is a large
national REIT.

Thanks,

Harry

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HEIST, WEISSE & DAVIS, P.A.
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Harry, Did you find someone? We should be able to help (assuming no conflict). Carol Carol Schoffel Faber, Esq. Akerman Senterfitt One S.E. Third Avenue Suite 2500 Miami, Florida 33131 Phone: 305-374-5600 Direct: 305-982-5559 Office Fax: 305-374-5095 Private Fax: 305-349-4780 Email: carol.faber@akerman.com www.akerman.com http://www.akerman.com/ http://www.akerman.com/| Bio | V Card CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information contained in this transmission may be privileged and confidential information, and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error and then delete it. Thank you. CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: To comply with U.S. Treasury Department and IRS regulations, we are required to advise you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any U.S. federal tax advice contained in this transmittal, is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any person for the purpose of (i) avoiding penalties under the U.S. Internal Revenue Code, or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed in this e-mail or attachment. ________________________________ From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of harry@evict.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:32 PM To: 'RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee' Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] Need commercial attorney for eviction in Dade. I apologize in advance if this is the wrong forum but I have a client who needs a commercial eviction in Dade and we do not do commercial. I would like to see them use an attorney from this group. Please email me at harry@evict.com if you are interested. It is a large national REIT. Thanks, Harry LAW OFFICES OF HEIST, WEISSE & DAVIS, P.A. PH: 1 800 253 8428 FAX: 1 800 367 9038 "Serving the Property Management Professional" Website: www.evict.com <http://www.evict.com/> Email: harry@evict.com THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL, ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED, AND INTENDED FOR THE PERSONS NAMED ABOVE ONLY. ALL OTHER USE, COPYING, OR DISTRIBUTION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED.
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Harry Heist
Wed, Jul 13, 2011 4:21 PM

Hello All,

The main eviction attorney in Orlando is fronting the property manager money that is in the court registry when they do a Stip or it is awarded at trial. When the money is disbursed from the registry to his firm, which may take a couple weeks, he then just keeps the money.

He does this as a marketing tool as an apartment manager's bonus is often based on money collected each month.

It this ethical? I have my doubts.

Thoughts?

Harry

LAW OFFICES OF
HEIST, WEISSE, DAVIS & WOLK P.A.
PH: 1 800 253 8428
FAX: 1 800 367 9038
"Serving the Property Management Professional"
Website:  www.evict.com http://www.evict.com/
Email: harry@evict.com

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Hello All, The main eviction attorney in Orlando is fronting the property manager money that is in the court registry when they do a Stip or it is awarded at trial. When the money is disbursed from the registry to his firm, which may take a couple weeks, he then just keeps the money. He does this as a marketing tool as an apartment manager's bonus is often based on money collected each month. It this ethical? I have my doubts. Thoughts? Harry LAW OFFICES OF HEIST, WEISSE, DAVIS & WOLK P.A. PH: 1 800 253 8428 FAX: 1 800 367 9038 "Serving the Property Management Professional" Website: www.evict.com <http://www.evict.com/> Email: harry@evict.com THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL, ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED, AND INTENDED FOR THE PERSONS NAMED ABOVE ONLY. ALL OTHER USE, COPYING, OR DISTRIBUTION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED.
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Alberto M Cardet
Wed, Jul 13, 2011 8:38 PM

My humble opinion, it is an ethical violation as the lawyer is (1) providing the client financial assistance and (2) as a marketing ploy it seems like the lawyer is paying for clients, money costs money, by getting the money to the plaintiff quicker, by advancing the court registry funds the lawyer is conferring a benefit to the client or client’s manager in exchange for their business.

As lawyers we can advance litigation costs to a certain point.  The Bar recently disciplined a lawyer for among other things paying for a client’s appellate attorney’s fees, the Bar found that by paying fees to another lawyer to prosecute an appeal on behalf of a client the lawyer was assisting the client financially.

You can always get an ethics opinion by calling the Bar’s ethics hotline.

From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Harry Heist
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:22 PM
To: 'RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee'
Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] Ethics question

Hello All,

The main eviction attorney in Orlando is fronting the property manager money that is in the court registry when they do a Stip or it is awarded at trial. When the money is disbursed from the registry to his firm, which may take a couple weeks, he then just keeps the money.

He does this as a marketing tool as an apartment manager's bonus is often based on money collected each month.

It this ethical? I have my doubts.

Thoughts?

Harry

LAW OFFICES OF
HEIST, WEISSE, DAVIS & WOLK P.A.
PH: 1 800 253 8428
FAX: 1 800 367 9038
"Serving the Property Management Professional"
Website:  www.evict.com http://www.evict.com/
Email: harry@evict.com

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My humble opinion, it is an ethical violation as the lawyer is (1) providing the client financial assistance and (2) as a marketing ploy it seems like the lawyer is paying for clients, money costs money, by getting the money to the plaintiff quicker, by advancing the court registry funds the lawyer is conferring a benefit to the client or client’s manager in exchange for their business. As lawyers we can advance litigation costs to a certain point. The Bar recently disciplined a lawyer for among other things paying for a client’s appellate attorney’s fees, the Bar found that by paying fees to another lawyer to prosecute an appeal on behalf of a client the lawyer was assisting the client financially. You can always get an ethics opinion by calling the Bar’s ethics hotline. From: landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:landten-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Harry Heist Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:22 PM To: 'RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee' Subject: [RPPTL LandTen] Ethics question Hello All, The main eviction attorney in Orlando is fronting the property manager money that is in the court registry when they do a Stip or it is awarded at trial. When the money is disbursed from the registry to his firm, which may take a couple weeks, he then just keeps the money. He does this as a marketing tool as an apartment manager's bonus is often based on money collected each month. It this ethical? I have my doubts. Thoughts? Harry LAW OFFICES OF HEIST, WEISSE, DAVIS & WOLK P.A. PH: 1 800 253 8428 FAX: 1 800 367 9038 "Serving the Property Management Professional" Website: www.evict.com <http://www.evict.com/> Email: harry@evict.com THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL, ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED, AND INTENDED FOR THE PERSONS NAMED ABOVE ONLY. ALL OTHER USE, COPYING, OR DISTRIBUTION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED.