So if a non lawyer Non lienor drafts contract, and lienor signs it, the contract is not valid???

Guys, there are many subs who rely on the notice companies to perfect their claims, especially in South Florida.

As long as lienor signs the lien, the law presumes he/she read doc and agreed to it.  Fact that lienor did not fill in blanks on a lien form, is inconsequential.  On the other hand, invalidating a lien based on same may be catastrophic to the lienor, its employees and the company as a whole.

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Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com> wrote:

In litigation.  They draft their own contracts all the time.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:17 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com>
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.commailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Lienors are usually companies.  Companies cannot rep themselves.

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Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com> wrote:
Because a lienor, like any client, can represent itself (other than in litigation of course).  But if a company holds itself out as an expert to others and receives compensation for its services, it needs to know how to do it.  NTO companies don’t know how to handle complex property title issues or figure out what’s lienable and what’s non-lienable, among other issues.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:48 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com>
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.commailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

But if lienor prepares lien it’s ok?

Makes no sense
Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:25 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com> wrote:

The attorney general held it does matter. Drafting of liens requires legal analyses that could screw a lienor who relies upon such analysis performed by a non-lawyer.
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Shareholder
Board Certified in Construction Law
Chair, Public Private Partnerships Practice Group
Vice Chair, Construction Law and Litigation Practice Group

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On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Dan Vega <DVega@TEVTLaw.commailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com> wrote:
Does it matter who prepares the lien form so long as lienor signs it?

The notice companies provide a valuable service to many small companies who otherwise would likely blow their lien rights.

Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 7:41 AM, Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.commailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com> wrote:
Notice companies in Florida regularly prepare claims of lien in violation of Section 713.08(2); now they jut put the company’s name in the “Return to” block but are still in clear violation of this prohibition.

Board Certified in Construction Law by The Florida Bar
Hernicz Legal Services, P.L.
1460 Wood Row Way
Wellington, FL 33414
Telephone: (561) 753-7511
Facsimile: (561) 753-7082
Chernicz@HerniczLegal.com

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Barry Kalmanson
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 4:34 PM
To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Interesting reading attached regarding a company known as Zlien operating throughout Florida.

After reading the opinion/agreement you may want to look at Section 713.08(2) Florida Statutes.

Sincerely,

Barry Kalmanson
500 N Maitland Avenue
Suite 305
Maitland, Fl. 32751
407-645-4500 x 215

www.barrykalmanson.comhttp://www.barrykalmanson.com

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Regardless, that is the law.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:27 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee lweintraub@bplegal.com
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. Chernicz@herniczlegal.com; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

So if a non lawyer Non lienor drafts contract, and lienor signs it, the contract is not valid???

Guys, there are many subs who rely on the notice companies to perfect their claims, especially in South Florida.

As long as lienor signs the lien, the law presumes he/she read doc and agreed to it.  Fact that lienor did not fill in blanks on a lien form, is inconsequential.  On the other hand, invalidating a lien based on same may be catastrophic to the lienor, its employees and the company as a whole.

Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com> wrote:
In litigation.  They draft their own contracts all the time.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:17 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com>
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.commailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Lienors are usually companies.  Companies cannot rep themselves.

Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com> wrote:
Because a lienor, like any client, can represent itself (other than in litigation of course).  But if a company holds itself out as an expert to others and receives compensation for its services, it needs to know how to do it.  NTO companies don’t know how to handle complex property title issues or figure out what’s lienable and what’s non-lienable, among other issues.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:48 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com>
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.commailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

But if lienor prepares lien it’s ok?

Makes no sense
Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:25 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com> wrote:

The attorney general held it does matter. Drafting of liens requires legal analyses that could screw a lienor who relies upon such analysis performed by a non-lawyer.
Sent from my iPhone

Lee A. Weintraub
Shareholder
Board Certified in Construction Law
Chair, Public Private Partnerships Practice Group
Vice Chair, Construction Law and Litigation Practice Group

1 East Broward Blvd., Suite 1800 | Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301
Tel: 954.985.4147 | Fax: 954.985.4176 | E-Mailmailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com
Websitehttp://www.bplegal.com | Connect on LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/lee-weintraub/1b/a0b/813 | Follow Me on Twitterhttp://twitter.com/leeweintraub
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On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Dan Vega <DVega@TEVTLaw.commailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com> wrote:
Does it matter who prepares the lien form so long as lienor signs it?

The notice companies provide a valuable service to many small companies who otherwise would likely blow their lien rights.

Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 7:41 AM, Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.commailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com> wrote:
Notice companies in Florida regularly prepare claims of lien in violation of Section 713.08(2); now they jut put the company’s name in the “Return to” block but are still in clear violation of this prohibition.

Board Certified in Construction Law by The Florida Bar
Hernicz Legal Services, P.L.
1460 Wood Row Way
Wellington, FL 33414
Telephone: (561) 753-7511
Facsimile: (561) 753-7082
Chernicz@HerniczLegal.com

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Barry Kalmanson
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 4:34 PM
To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Interesting reading attached regarding a company known as Zlien operating throughout Florida.

After reading the opinion/agreement you may want to look at Section 713.08(2) Florida Statutes.

Sincerely,

Barry Kalmanson
500 N Maitland Avenue
Suite 305
Maitland, Fl. 32751
407-645-4500 x 215

www.barrykalmanson.comhttp://www.barrykalmanson.com

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Not clear.

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Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:28 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com> wrote:

Regardless, that is the law.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:27 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com>
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.commailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

So if a non lawyer Non lienor drafts contract, and lienor signs it, the contract is not valid???

Guys, there are many subs who rely on the notice companies to perfect their claims, especially in South Florida.

As long as lienor signs the lien, the law presumes he/she read doc and agreed to it.  Fact that lienor did not fill in blanks on a lien form, is inconsequential.  On the other hand, invalidating a lien based on same may be catastrophic to the lienor, its employees and the company as a whole.

Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com> wrote:
In litigation.  They draft their own contracts all the time.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:17 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com>
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.commailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Lienors are usually companies.  Companies cannot rep themselves.

Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com> wrote:
Because a lienor, like any client, can represent itself (other than in litigation of course).  But if a company holds itself out as an expert to others and receives compensation for its services, it needs to know how to do it.  NTO companies don’t know how to handle complex property title issues or figure out what’s lienable and what’s non-lienable, among other issues.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:48 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com>
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.commailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

But if lienor prepares lien it’s ok?

Makes no sense
Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:25 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com> wrote:

The attorney general held it does matter. Drafting of liens requires legal analyses that could screw a lienor who relies upon such analysis performed by a non-lawyer.
Sent from my iPhone

Lee A. Weintraub
Shareholder
Board Certified in Construction Law
Chair, Public Private Partnerships Practice Group
Vice Chair, Construction Law and Litigation Practice Group

1 East Broward Blvd., Suite 1800 | Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301
Tel: 954.985.4147 | Fax: 954.985.4176 | E-Mailmailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com
Websitehttp://www.bplegal.com | Connect on LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/lee-weintraub/1b/a0b/813 | Follow Me on Twitterhttp://twitter.com/leeweintraub
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On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Dan Vega <DVega@TEVTLaw.commailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com> wrote:
Does it matter who prepares the lien form so long as lienor signs it?

The notice companies provide a valuable service to many small companies who otherwise would likely blow their lien rights.

Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 7:41 AM, Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.commailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com> wrote:
Notice companies in Florida regularly prepare claims of lien in violation of Section 713.08(2); now they jut put the company’s name in the “Return to” block but are still in clear violation of this prohibition.

Board Certified in Construction Law by The Florida Bar
Hernicz Legal Services, P.L.
1460 Wood Row Way
Wellington, FL 33414
Telephone: (561) 753-7511
Facsimile: (561) 753-7082
Chernicz@HerniczLegal.com

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Barry Kalmanson
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 4:34 PM
To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Interesting reading attached regarding a company known as Zlien operating throughout Florida.

After reading the opinion/agreement you may want to look at Section 713.08(2) Florida Statutes.

Sincerely,

Barry Kalmanson
500 N Maitland Avenue
Suite 305
Maitland, Fl. 32751
407-645-4500 x 215

www.barrykalmanson.comhttp://www.barrykalmanson.com

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If the notice company informed those subs that Florida law prohibits notice companies from preparing claims of lien, they would likely reconsider relying on the notice company for legal advice.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:27 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee lweintraub@bplegal.com
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. Chernicz@herniczlegal.com; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

So if a non lawyer Non lienor drafts contract, and lienor signs it, the contract is not valid???

Guys, there are many subs who rely on the notice companies to perfect their claims, especially in South Florida.

As long as lienor signs the lien, the law presumes he/she read doc and agreed to it.  Fact that lienor did not fill in blanks on a lien form, is inconsequential.  On the other hand, invalidating a lien based on same may be catastrophic to the lienor, its employees and the company as a whole.

Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega

Board Certified in Construction Law

Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.

2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220

Coral Gables, Florida 33134

Telephone: (305) 443-2043

Facsimile: (305) 443-2048

Cell: (305) 962-5186

E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.com mailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.com mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com > wrote:

In litigation.  They draft their own contracts all the time.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:17 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.com mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com >
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.com mailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com >; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Lienors are usually companies.  Companies cannot rep themselves.

Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega

Board Certified in Construction Law

Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.

2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220

Coral Gables, Florida 33134

Telephone: (305) 443-2043

Facsimile: (305) 443-2048

Cell: (305) 962-5186

E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.com mailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.com mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com > wrote:

Because a lienor, like any client, can represent itself (other than in litigation of course).  But if a company holds itself out as an expert to others and receives compensation for its services, it needs to know how to do it.  NTO companies don’t know how to handle complex property title issues or figure out what’s lienable and what’s non-lienable, among other issues.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:48 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.com mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com >
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.com mailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com >; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

But if lienor prepares lien it’s ok?

Makes no sense

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Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.

2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220

Coral Gables, Florida 33134

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On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:25 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.com mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com > wrote:

The attorney general held it does matter. Drafting of liens requires legal analyses that could screw a lienor who relies upon such analysis performed by a non-lawyer.

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On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Dan Vega <DVega@TEVTLaw.com mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com > wrote:

Does it matter who prepares the lien form so long as lienor signs it?

The notice companies provide a valuable service to many small companies who otherwise would likely blow their lien rights.

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Board Certified in Construction Law

Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.

2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220

Coral Gables, Florida 33134

Telephone: (305) 443-2043

Facsimile: (305) 443-2048

Cell: (305) 962-5186

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On Dec 12, 2017, at 7:41 AM, Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.com mailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com > wrote:

Notice companies in Florida regularly prepare claims of lien in violation of Section 713.08(2); now they jut put the company’s name in the “Return to” block but are still in clear violation of this prohibition.

Board Certified in Construction Law by The Florida Bar
Hernicz Legal Services, P.L.
1460 Wood Row Way
Wellington, FL 33414
Telephone: (561) 753-7511
Facsimile: (561) 753-7082
Chernicz@HerniczLegal.com

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To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Interesting reading attached regarding a company known as Zlien operating throughout Florida.

After reading the opinion/agreement you may want to look at Section 713.08(2) Florida Statutes.

Sincerely,

Barry Kalmanson

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Suite 305

Maitland, Fl. 32751

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To me, the preparation of a lien is unquestionably the practice of law. It’s a document that impairs the owner’s title to property, and the nuances of the lien law are a mystery to most lay people, and are perhaps only a bit less a mystery to a lien company. For example, given the issues in determining whether to start the 90 day clock during punchlist work and when, and the nature of the work that may or may not start (or not start) the clock – do any of us think that those folks really do the careful analysis that a lawyer would do. I suspect they ask “when was the last day you were on site working” and that’s about the extent of it. Or what if the lienor gets a request for sworn statement of account or notice of contest of lien?

That said, often the economics of an amount due may not justify the expense of hiring a lawyer, and non-lawyers do things that are unquestionably the practice of law all of the time, from preparing contracts, to title companies closing large real estate transactions – but that doesn’t make it any less the practice of law. The “consumer harm” (which is what the regulators are going to look at) of a small lien is probably likewise small, and the regulator would likely deem it (and evidently has) unworthy of regulation at this point in time.

There’s a balance here – maybe liens of less than $10K are OK for these companies to do, but above that aren’t? I don’t know where the consumer harm/lienor economics balance point is, but it’s a fair consideration.

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From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Dan Vega
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:27 AM
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Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

So if a non lawyer Non lienor drafts contract, and lienor signs it, the contract is not valid???

Guys, there are many subs who rely on the notice companies to perfect their claims, especially in South Florida.

As long as lienor signs the lien, the law presumes he/she read doc and agreed to it.  Fact that lienor did not fill in blanks on a lien form, is inconsequential.  On the other hand, invalidating a lien based on same may be catastrophic to the lienor, its employees and the company as a whole.

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Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
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On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com> wrote:
In litigation.  They draft their own contracts all the time.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:17 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com>
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.commailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Lienors are usually companies.  Companies cannot rep themselves.

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Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com> wrote:
Because a lienor, like any client, can represent itself (other than in litigation of course).  But if a company holds itself out as an expert to others and receives compensation for its services, it needs to know how to do it.  NTO companies don’t know how to handle complex property title issues or figure out what’s lienable and what’s non-lienable, among other issues.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:48 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com>
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.commailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

But if lienor prepares lien it’s ok?

Makes no sense
Sent from my iPhone

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Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:25 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com> wrote:

The attorney general held it does matter. Drafting of liens requires legal analyses that could screw a lienor who relies upon such analysis performed by a non-lawyer.
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On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Dan Vega <DVega@TEVTLaw.commailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com> wrote:
Does it matter who prepares the lien form so long as lienor signs it?

The notice companies provide a valuable service to many small companies who otherwise would likely blow their lien rights.

Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 7:41 AM, Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.commailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com> wrote:
Notice companies in Florida regularly prepare claims of lien in violation of Section 713.08(2); now they jut put the company’s name in the “Return to” block but are still in clear violation of this prohibition.

Board Certified in Construction Law by The Florida Bar
Hernicz Legal Services, P.L.
1460 Wood Row Way
Wellington, FL 33414
Telephone: (561) 753-7511
Facsimile: (561) 753-7082
Chernicz@HerniczLegal.com

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Barry Kalmanson
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To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Interesting reading attached regarding a company known as Zlien operating throughout Florida.

After reading the opinion/agreement you may want to look at Section 713.08(2) Florida Statutes.

Sincerely,

Barry Kalmanson
500 N Maitland Avenue
Suite 305
Maitland, Fl. 32751
407-645-4500 x 215

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This discussion reminds me of how lawyers lost their monopoly on real estate transactions in the 50s. The law exists to protect the public. Once the Genie is out of the bottle, the environment is never the same and it ultimately doesn't serve the public. I don't believe in regulation generally, but the reality is that attorney's often sell their skills and the service they provide to the public short and it is ultimately the public that suffers for it.

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From: "Weintraub, Lee" lweintraub@bplegal.com
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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Regardless, that is the law.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com]
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To: Weintraub, Lee lweintraub@bplegal.com
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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

So if a non lawyer Non lienor drafts contract, and lienor signs it, the contract is not valid???

Guys, there are many subs who rely on the notice companies to perfect their claims, especially in South Florida.

As long as lienor signs the lien, the law presumes he/she read doc and agreed to it.  Fact that lienor did not fill in blanks on a lien form, is inconsequential.  On the other hand, invalidating a lien based on same may be catastrophic to the lienor, its employees and the company as a whole.

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Daniel R. Vega

Board Certified in Construction Law

Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.

2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220

Coral Gables, Florida 33134

Telephone: (305) 443-2043

Facsimile: (305) 443-2048

Cell: (305) 962-5186

E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Weintraub, Lee < lweintraub@bplegal.com > wrote:

In litigation.  They draft their own contracts all the time.

From: Dan Vega [ mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com ]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:17 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee < lweintraub@bplegal.com >
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. < Chernicz@herniczlegal.com >; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Lienors are usually companies.  Companies cannot rep themselves.

Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega

Board Certified in Construction Law

Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.

2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220

Coral Gables, Florida 33134

Telephone: (305) 443-2043

Facsimile: (305) 443-2048

Cell: (305) 962-5186

E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Weintraub, Lee < lweintraub@bplegal.com > wrote:

Because a lienor, like any client, can represent itself (other than in litigation of course).  But if a company holds itself out as an expert to others and receives compensation for its services, it needs to know how to do it.  NTO companies don’t know how to handle complex property title issues or figure out what’s lienable and what’s non-lienable, among other issues.

From: Dan Vega [ mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com ]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:48 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee < lweintraub@bplegal.com >
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. < Chernicz@herniczlegal.com >; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

But if lienor prepares lien it’s ok?

Makes no sense

Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega

Board Certified in Construction Law

Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.

2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220

Coral Gables, Florida 33134

Telephone: (305) 443-2043

Facsimile: (305) 443-2048

Cell: (305) 962-5186

E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:25 AM, Weintraub, Lee < lweintraub@bplegal.com > wrote:

The attorney general held it does matter. Drafting of liens requires legal analyses that could screw a lienor who relies upon such analysis performed by a non-lawyer.

Sent from my iPhone

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Shareholder
Board Certified in Construction Law
Chair, Public Private Partnerships Practice Group
Vice Chair, Construction Law and Litigation Practice Group
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On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Dan Vega < DVega@TEVTLaw.com > wrote:

Does it matter who prepares the lien form so long as lienor signs it?

The notice companies provide a valuable service to many small companies who otherwise would likely blow their lien rights.

Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega

Board Certified in Construction Law

Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.

2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220

Coral Gables, Florida 33134

Telephone: (305) 443-2043

Facsimile: (305) 443-2048

Cell: (305) 962-5186

E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 7:41 AM, Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. < Chernicz@herniczlegal.com > wrote:

Notice companies in Florida regularly prepare claims of lien in violation of Section 713.08(2); now they jut put the company’s name in the “Return to” block but are still in clear violation of this prohibition.

Board Certified in Construction Law by The Florida Bar
Hernicz Legal Services, P.L.
1460 Wood Row Way
Wellington, FL 33414
Telephone: (561) 753-7511
Facsimile: (561) 753-7082
Chernicz@HerniczLegal.com

From:   clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [ mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org ] On Behalf Of Barry Kalmanson
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 4:34 PM
To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Interesting reading attached regarding a company known as Zlien operating throughout Florida.

After reading the opinion/agreement you may want to look at Section 713.08(2) Florida Statutes.

Sincerely,

Barry Kalmanson

500 N Maitland Avenue

Suite 305

Maitland, Fl. 32751

407-645-4500 x 215

www.barrykalmanson.com

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The issue is that the Florida Bar doesn’t want non lawyers giving legal advice.  The landmark case on this was Florida Bar v Carmel.  Where a notice company puts that they prepared the lien on the lien it is red meat for the Bar unlicensed practice of law committee.  That is why they simply put the customer’s name as preparer. A non lawyer can prepare a contract, or prepare a lien for itself.  The notice companies, and anyone else, are prohibited from practicing law or giving legal advice to others.  Some notice companies refer requests for claim of lien to counsel to avoid the issue.  Some notice companies simply prepare the lien for their customers, which is prohibited to the extent that the notice company makes legal decisions.  Preparing a claim of lien is fraught with legal decisions.
I see the notice companies running afoul of the law, yet in many instances helping their customers. When they screw up it is going to come back to bite them.  Also, any owner can claim that the lien is invalid due to being prepared by a nonlawyer (if that is established, likely by deposition).  Whether a court will invalidate such a lien is still an open question.  The possibility is there.

Happy Holidays, Larry

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Charles B. Hernicz, Esq.
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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

If the notice company informed those subs that Florida law prohibits notice companies from preparing claims of lien, they would likely reconsider relying on the notice company for legal advice.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:27 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com>
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.commailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

So if a non lawyer Non lienor drafts contract, and lienor signs it, the contract is not valid???

Guys, there are many subs who rely on the notice companies to perfect their claims, especially in South Florida.

As long as lienor signs the lien, the law presumes he/she read doc and agreed to it.  Fact that lienor did not fill in blanks on a lien form, is inconsequential.  On the other hand, invalidating a lien based on same may be catastrophic to the lienor, its employees and the company as a whole.

Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com> wrote:
In litigation.  They draft their own contracts all the time.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:17 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com>
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.commailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Lienors are usually companies.  Companies cannot rep themselves.

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Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com> wrote:
Because a lienor, like any client, can represent itself (other than in litigation of course).  But if a company holds itself out as an expert to others and receives compensation for its services, it needs to know how to do it.  NTO companies don’t know how to handle complex property title issues or figure out what’s lienable and what’s non-lienable, among other issues.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:48 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com>
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.commailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

But if lienor prepares lien it’s ok?

Makes no sense
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Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:25 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com> wrote:

The attorney general held it does matter. Drafting of liens requires legal analyses that could screw a lienor who relies upon such analysis performed by a non-lawyer.
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Chair, Public Private Partnerships Practice Group
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On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Dan Vega <DVega@TEVTLaw.commailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com> wrote:
Does it matter who prepares the lien form so long as lienor signs it?

The notice companies provide a valuable service to many small companies who otherwise would likely blow their lien rights.

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Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 7:41 AM, Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.commailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com> wrote:
Notice companies in Florida regularly prepare claims of lien in violation of Section 713.08(2); now they jut put the company’s name in the “Return to” block but are still in clear violation of this prohibition.

Board Certified in Construction Law by The Florida Bar
Hernicz Legal Services, P.L.
1460 Wood Row Way
Wellington, FL 33414
Telephone: (561) 753-7511
Facsimile: (561) 753-7082
Chernicz@HerniczLegal.com

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Barry Kalmanson
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To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Interesting reading attached regarding a company known as Zlien operating throughout Florida.

After reading the opinion/agreement you may want to look at Section 713.08(2) Florida Statutes.

Sincerely,

Barry Kalmanson
500 N Maitland Avenue
Suite 305
Maitland, Fl. 32751
407-645-4500 x 215

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I think we can all agree that there is a variety of legal analysis that takes place in lien preparation such as:

• Is it timely? (i.e. what exactly is last date of work or provision of materials?)
• Have conditions precedent been met (NTO – have all parties been properly served?)
• Privity issues (i.e. tenant involved? Exculpatory language in recorded landlord’s lease?)

These are legal issues that need a lawyer’s analysis.  I have prospective clients approach me all the time with potentially defective liens they recorded themselves.  Unfortunately, they often do so after the time for amendment.

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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

So if a non lawyer Non lienor drafts contract, and lienor signs it, the contract is not valid???

Guys, there are many subs who rely on the notice companies to perfect their claims, especially in South Florida.

As long as lienor signs the lien, the law presumes he/she read doc and agreed to it.  Fact that lienor did not fill in blanks on a lien form, is inconsequential.  On the other hand, invalidating a lien based on same may be catastrophic to the lienor, its employees and the company as a whole.

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Daniel R. Vega

Board Certified in Construction Law

Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.

2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220

Coral Gables, Florida 33134

Telephone: (305) 443-2043

Facsimile: (305) 443-2048

Cell: (305) 962-5186

E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.com mailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.com mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com > wrote:

In litigation.  They draft their own contracts all the time.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:17 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.com mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com >
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.com mailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com >; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Lienors are usually companies.  Companies cannot rep themselves.

Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega

Board Certified in Construction Law

Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.

2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220

Coral Gables, Florida 33134

Telephone: (305) 443-2043

Facsimile: (305) 443-2048

Cell: (305) 962-5186

E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.com mailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.com mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com > wrote:

Because a lienor, like any client, can represent itself (other than in litigation of course).  But if a company holds itself out as an expert to others and receives compensation for its services, it needs to know how to do it.  NTO companies don’t know how to handle complex property title issues or figure out what’s lienable and what’s non-lienable, among other issues.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:48 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.com mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com >
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.com mailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com >; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

But if lienor prepares lien it’s ok?

Makes no sense

Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega

Board Certified in Construction Law

Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.

2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220

Coral Gables, Florida 33134

Telephone: (305) 443-2043

Facsimile: (305) 443-2048

Cell: (305) 962-5186

E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.com mailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:25 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.com mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com > wrote:

The attorney general held it does matter. Drafting of liens requires legal analyses that could screw a lienor who relies upon such analysis performed by a non-lawyer.

Sent from my iPhone

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Shareholder
Board Certified in Construction Law
Chair, Public Private Partnerships Practice Group
Vice Chair, Construction Law and Litigation Practice Group

1 East Broward Blvd., Suite 1800 | Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301
Tel: 954.985.4147 | Fax: 954.985.4176 | E-Mail mailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com
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On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Dan Vega <DVega@TEVTLaw.com mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com > wrote:

Does it matter who prepares the lien form so long as lienor signs it?

The notice companies provide a valuable service to many small companies who otherwise would likely blow their lien rights.

Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega

Board Certified in Construction Law

Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.

2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220

Coral Gables, Florida 33134

Telephone: (305) 443-2043

Facsimile: (305) 443-2048

Cell: (305) 962-5186

E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.com mailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 7:41 AM, Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.com mailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com > wrote:

Notice companies in Florida regularly prepare claims of lien in violation of Section 713.08(2); now they jut put the company’s name in the “Return to” block but are still in clear violation of this prohibition.

Board Certified in Construction Law by The Florida Bar
Hernicz Legal Services, P.L.
1460 Wood Row Way
Wellington, FL 33414
Telephone: (561) 753-7511
Facsimile: (561) 753-7082
Chernicz@HerniczLegal.com

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org  [mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org] On Behalf Of Barry Kalmanson
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To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Interesting reading attached regarding a company known as Zlien operating throughout Florida.

After reading the opinion/agreement you may want to look at Section 713.08(2) Florida Statutes.

Sincerely,

Barry Kalmanson

500 N Maitland Avenue

Suite 305

Maitland, Fl. 32751

407-645-4500 x 215

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You all are blowing this way out of proportion.

The lienor is signing a form that includes data provided by the lienor.

The notice Company is not preparing the lien.

The notice Company facilitates the lienor’s preparation of the lien and records it for a fee.

In South Florida, this service is extremely valuable to the very people who are actually physically performing the work.

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Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:51 AM, Larry Leiby <Leiby@mkpalaw.commailto:Leiby@mkpalaw.com> wrote:

The issue is that the Florida Bar doesn’t want non lawyers giving legal advice.  The landmark case on this was Florida Bar v Carmel.  Where a notice company puts that they prepared the lien on the lien it is red meat for the Bar unlicensed practice of law committee.  That is why they simply put the customer’s name as preparer. A non lawyer can prepare a contract, or prepare a lien for itself.  The notice companies, and anyone else, are prohibited from practicing law or giving legal advice to others.  Some notice companies refer requests for claim of lien to counsel to avoid the issue.  Some notice companies simply prepare the lien for their customers, which is prohibited to the extent that the notice company makes legal decisions.  Preparing a claim of lien is fraught with legal decisions.
I see the notice companies running afoul of the law, yet in many instances helping their customers. When they screw up it is going to come back to bite them.  Also, any owner can claim that the lien is invalid due to being prepared by a nonlawyer (if that is established, likely by deposition).  Whether a court will invalidate such a lien is still an open question.  The possibility is there.

Happy Holidays, Larry

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To: 'Dan Vega' <DVega@TEVTLaw.commailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com>; 'Weintraub, Lee' <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com>
Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

If the notice company informed those subs that Florida law prohibits notice companies from preparing claims of lien, they would likely reconsider relying on the notice company for legal advice.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:27 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com>
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.commailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

So if a non lawyer Non lienor drafts contract, and lienor signs it, the contract is not valid???

Guys, there are many subs who rely on the notice companies to perfect their claims, especially in South Florida.

As long as lienor signs the lien, the law presumes he/she read doc and agreed to it.  Fact that lienor did not fill in blanks on a lien form, is inconsequential.  On the other hand, invalidating a lien based on same may be catastrophic to the lienor, its employees and the company as a whole.

Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com> wrote:
In litigation.  They draft their own contracts all the time.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:17 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com>
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.commailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Lienors are usually companies.  Companies cannot rep themselves.

Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com> wrote:
Because a lienor, like any client, can represent itself (other than in litigation of course).  But if a company holds itself out as an expert to others and receives compensation for its services, it needs to know how to do it.  NTO companies don’t know how to handle complex property title issues or figure out what’s lienable and what’s non-lienable, among other issues.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:48 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com>
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.commailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

But if lienor prepares lien it’s ok?

Makes no sense
Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:25 AM, Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub@bplegal.commailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com> wrote:

The attorney general held it does matter. Drafting of liens requires legal analyses that could screw a lienor who relies upon such analysis performed by a non-lawyer.
Sent from my iPhone

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Shareholder
Board Certified in Construction Law
Chair, Public Private Partnerships Practice Group
Vice Chair, Construction Law and Litigation Practice Group

1 East Broward Blvd., Suite 1800 | Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301
Tel: 954.985.4147 | Fax: 954.985.4176 | E-Mailmailto:lweintraub@bplegal.com
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On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Dan Vega <DVega@TEVTLaw.commailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com> wrote:
Does it matter who prepares the lien form so long as lienor signs it?

The notice companies provide a valuable service to many small companies who otherwise would likely blow their lien rights.

Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega
Board Certified in Construction Law
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A.
2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Dec 12, 2017, at 7:41 AM, Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz@herniczlegal.commailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com> wrote:
Notice companies in Florida regularly prepare claims of lien in violation of Section 713.08(2); now they jut put the company’s name in the “Return to” block but are still in clear violation of this prohibition.

Board Certified in Construction Law by The Florida Bar
Hernicz Legal Services, P.L.
1460 Wood Row Way
Wellington, FL 33414
Telephone: (561) 753-7511
Facsimile: (561) 753-7082
Chernicz@HerniczLegal.com

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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 4:34 PM
To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Interesting reading attached regarding a company known as Zlien operating throughout Florida.

After reading the opinion/agreement you may want to look at Section 713.08(2) Florida Statutes.

Sincerely,

Barry Kalmanson
500 N Maitland Avenue
Suite 305
Maitland, Fl. 32751
407-645-4500 x 215

www.barrykalmanson.comhttp://www.barrykalmanson.com

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