Hi, 
Guest
Pic
Sign In

clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org

RPPTL CLC-Discussion

View all threads

Who can sign liens and releases?

JP
Jeffrey Price
Wed, Jul 1, 2020 2:05 PM

Delivered a partial lien release for a single condo where client has a lien on the entire complex. This was the 6th at this condo for routine sales (Miami-Dade) and was no different that the other 5 (or other 20-some in the last 6 months on other complexes). The release was prepared by me (Attorney for Lienor), signed by me as "Agent/Attorney for Lienor."

Got into a dispute about the release form (not the amount). First they wanted the jurat changed to duplicate the language as of Jan. 1, 2020 (despite the statute saying the jurat "must be in substantially the following form"). Whatever. Fine.

But then this is forwarded to me. I called "Connie" but because I am not a member of "The Fund" she refused to discuss anything and hung up the phone. (You that have dealt with me can understand, hell, I don't even like talking to me in a mirror).

Question - has anyone ever heard of this line of reasoning? Does 692 have anything to do with 713 liens and releases?

"The release is signed an agent of a Florida corporation.  Under Sec. 692.01, F.S.,  a corporate officer may sign partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts. There is no authority for anyone other than a corporate officer to sign such a document."
connie Clark
Senior Underwriting Counsel

P: 800.432.9594
[FUND-NEW-Logo-FC200]http://www.thefund.com/
www.TheFund.comhttp://www.thefund.com/

[cid:image008.png@01D64F8F.1BBDF5C0][cid:image009.png@01D64F8F.1BBDF5C0][A picture containing drawing, clock  Description automatically generated]

Delivered a partial lien release for a single condo where client has a lien on the entire complex. This was the 6th at this condo for routine sales (Miami-Dade) and was no different that the other 5 (or other 20-some in the last 6 months on other complexes). The release was prepared by me (Attorney for Lienor), signed by me as "Agent/Attorney for Lienor." Got into a dispute about the release form (not the amount). First they wanted the jurat changed to duplicate the language as of Jan. 1, 2020 (despite the statute saying the jurat "must be in substantially the following form"). Whatever. Fine. But then this is forwarded to me. I called "Connie" but because I am not a member of "The Fund" she refused to discuss anything and hung up the phone. (You that have dealt with me can understand, hell, I don't even like talking to me in a mirror). Question - has anyone ever heard of this line of reasoning? Does 692 have anything to do with 713 liens and releases? "The release is signed an agent of a Florida corporation. Under Sec. 692.01, F.S., a corporate officer may sign partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts. There is no authority for anyone other than a corporate officer to sign such a document." connie Clark Senior Underwriting Counsel P: 800.432.9594 [FUND-NEW-Logo-FC200]<http://www.thefund.com/> www.TheFund.com<http://www.thefund.com/> [cid:image008.png@01D64F8F.1BBDF5C0][cid:image009.png@01D64F8F.1BBDF5C0][A picture containing drawing, clock Description automatically generated]
Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image
BP
Bruce Partington
Wed, Jul 1, 2020 2:24 PM

For what it's worth, and 692 is part of it, it's been my policy for years never to sign liens or releases on behalf of clients. Another reason is that the jurat is taking an oath that what is in it is true, and I think it's best that clients do that. (A release would formally probably only require an acknowledgement, but a lien definitely requires a jurat).

I think the beginning of 692.01 makes it relatively clear:
Any corporation may execute instruments conveying, mortgaging, or affecting any interest in lands by instruments sealed with the common or corporate seal and signed in its name by its president or any vice president or chief executive officer. Assignments, satisfactions, or partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts may be similarly executed by any corporate officer.

But, read carefully, that only applies to acknowledgements, not jurats, because pretty much all instruments affecting any interests in lands, except a construction lien, require only an acknowledgement.

Bruce Partington | Shareholder
bpartington@clarkpartington.com | (850) 432-1399callto:(850)%20432-1399

CLARK PARTINGTON
Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340
125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor
Pensacola, Florida 32502
clarkpartington.comhttp://clarkpartington.com/

[cid:logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg]

[cid:Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png]https://www.facebook.com/ClarkPartington/ [cid:LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png] https://www.linkedin.com/company/2250553/admin/  [cid:Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png] https://twitter.com/ClarkPartington  [cid:Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png] https://www.instagram.com/clarkpartington/

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org On Behalf Of Jeffrey Price
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:05 AM
To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?

Delivered a partial lien release for a single condo where client has a lien on the entire complex. This was the 6th at this condo for routine sales (Miami-Dade) and was no different that the other 5 (or other 20-some in the last 6 months on other complexes). The release was prepared by me (Attorney for Lienor), signed by me as "Agent/Attorney for Lienor."

Got into a dispute about the release form (not the amount). First they wanted the jurat changed to duplicate the language as of Jan. 1, 2020 (despite the statute saying the jurat "must be in substantially the following form"). Whatever. Fine.

But then this is forwarded to me. I called "Connie" but because I am not a member of "The Fund" she refused to discuss anything and hung up the phone. (You that have dealt with me can understand, hell, I don't even like talking to me in a mirror).

Question - has anyone ever heard of this line of reasoning? Does 692 have anything to do with 713 liens and releases?

"The release is signed an agent of a Florida corporation.  Under Sec. 692.01, F.S.,  a corporate officer may sign partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts. There is no authority for anyone other than a corporate officer to sign such a document."
connie Clark
Senior Underwriting Counsel

P: 800.432.9594
[FUND-NEW-Logo-FC200]http://www.thefund.com/
www.TheFund.comhttp://www.thefund.com/

[cid:image003.png@01D64F89.660E85F0][cid:image005.png@01D64F89.660E85F0][A picture containing drawing, clock  Description automatically generated]

For what it's worth, and 692 is part of it, it's been my policy for years never to sign liens or releases on behalf of clients. Another reason is that the jurat is taking an oath that what is in it is true, and I think it's best that clients do that. (A release would formally probably only require an acknowledgement, but a lien definitely requires a jurat). I think the beginning of 692.01 makes it relatively clear: Any corporation may execute instruments conveying, mortgaging, or affecting any interest in lands by instruments sealed with the common or corporate seal and signed in its name by its president or any vice president or chief executive officer. Assignments, satisfactions, or partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts may be similarly executed by any corporate officer. But, read carefully, that only applies to acknowledgements, not jurats, because pretty much all instruments affecting any interests in lands, except a construction lien, require only an acknowledgement. Bruce Partington | Shareholder bpartington@clarkpartington.com | (850) 432-1399<callto:(850)%20432-1399> CLARK PARTINGTON Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340 125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor Pensacola, Florida 32502 clarkpartington.com<http://clarkpartington.com/> [cid:logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg] [cid:Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ClarkPartington/> [cid:LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png] <https://www.linkedin.com/company/2250553/admin/> [cid:Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png] <https://twitter.com/ClarkPartington> [cid:Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png] <https://www.instagram.com/clarkpartington/> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Price Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:05 AM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? Delivered a partial lien release for a single condo where client has a lien on the entire complex. This was the 6th at this condo for routine sales (Miami-Dade) and was no different that the other 5 (or other 20-some in the last 6 months on other complexes). The release was prepared by me (Attorney for Lienor), signed by me as "Agent/Attorney for Lienor." Got into a dispute about the release form (not the amount). First they wanted the jurat changed to duplicate the language as of Jan. 1, 2020 (despite the statute saying the jurat "must be in substantially the following form"). Whatever. Fine. But then this is forwarded to me. I called "Connie" but because I am not a member of "The Fund" she refused to discuss anything and hung up the phone. (You that have dealt with me can understand, hell, I don't even like talking to me in a mirror). Question - has anyone ever heard of this line of reasoning? Does 692 have anything to do with 713 liens and releases? "The release is signed an agent of a Florida corporation. Under Sec. 692.01, F.S., a corporate officer may sign partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts. There is no authority for anyone other than a corporate officer to sign such a document." connie Clark Senior Underwriting Counsel P: 800.432.9594 [FUND-NEW-Logo-FC200]<http://www.thefund.com/> www.TheFund.com<http://www.thefund.com/> [cid:image003.png@01D64F89.660E85F0][cid:image005.png@01D64F89.660E85F0][A picture containing drawing, clock Description automatically generated]
Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image
BK
Barry Kalmanson
Wed, Jul 1, 2020 4:43 PM

As far as the execution of liens the word "attorney" was removed from the statute in 1977. Now Section 713.08(2) does not provide authority for an attorney to execute liens unless the attorney happens to be "acquainted with the facts stated therein." This highly unlikely unless the attorney also works as an employee of the lienor.  This makes a fun day in a deposition.
As far as releases go any individual with authority (including attorneys) can execute releases. Section 713.20 does not include a limitation on who can sign the releases of lien. 

Under Section 713.08(2) the discussion becomes much more interesting as to who can prepare the liens . Many throughout the state that are not permitted are preparing liens. This is clearly the unlicensed practice of law.  The Florida Bar has sent cease and desist letters to various companies and non-lawyer individuals for preparing liens.

Sincerely, Barry Kalmanson500 N Maitland AvenueSuite 305 Maitland, Fl. 32751407-645-4500 x 215 http://www.barrykalmanson.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Partington bpartington@clarkpartington.com
To: Jeffrey Price jeff@npw-law.com; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 10:24 am
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?

#yiv5527013830 #yiv5527013830 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv5527013830 #yiv5527013830 p.yiv5527013830MsoNormal, #yiv5527013830 li.yiv5527013830MsoNormal, #yiv5527013830 div.yiv5527013830MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv5527013830 a:link, #yiv5527013830 span.yiv5527013830MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv5527013830 span.yiv5527013830EmailStyle19 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv5527013830 .yiv5527013830MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered {}#yiv5527013830 div.yiv5527013830WordSection1 {}#yiv5527013830 For what it’s worth, and 692 is part of it, it’s been my policy for years never to sign liens or releases on behalf of clients. Another reason is that the jurat is taking an oath that what is in it is true, and I think it’s best that clients do that. (A release would formally probably only require an acknowledgement, but a lien definitely requires a jurat).    I think the beginning of 692.01 makes it relatively clear: Any corporation may executeinstruments conveying, mortgaging, oraffecting any interest in lands by instruments sealed with the common or corporate seal and signed in its name by its president or any vice president or chief executive officer. Assignments, satisfactions, or partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts may be similarly executed by any corporate officer.     But, read carefully, that only applies to acknowledgements, not jurats, because pretty much all instruments affecting any interests in lands, except a construction lien, require only an acknowledgement.    Bruce Partington | Shareholder
bpartington@clarkpartington.com | (850) 432-1399CLARK PARTINGTON
Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340
125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor 
Pensacola, Florida 32502
clarkpartington.com     From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgOn Behalf Of Jeffrey Price
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:05 AM
To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?    Delivered a partial lien release for a single condo where client has a lien on the entire complex. This was the 6th at this condo for routine sales (Miami-Dade) and was no different that the other 5 (or other 20-some in the last 6 months on other complexes). The release was prepared by me (Attorney for Lienor), signed by me as “Agent/Attorney for Lienor.”      Got into a dispute about the release form (not the amount). First they wanted the jurat changed to duplicate the language as of Jan. 1, 2020 (despite the statute saying the jurat “must be in substantially the following form”). Whatever. Fine.    But then this is forwarded to me. I called “Connie” but because I am not a member of “The Fund” she refused to discuss anything and hung up the phone. (You that have dealt with me can understand, hell, I don’t even like talking to me in a mirror).    Question – has anyone ever heard of this line of reasoning? Does 692 have anything to do with 713 liens and releases?    “The release is signed an agent of a Florida corporation.  Under Sec. 692.01, F.S.,  a corporate officer may sign partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts. There is no authority for anyone other than a corporate officer to sign such a document.” connie Clark Senior Underwriting Counsel    P: 800.432.9594   www.TheFund.com       _______________________________________________
CLC-Discussion mailing list
CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussion

As far as the execution of liens the word "attorney" was removed from the statute in 1977. Now Section 713.08(2) does not provide authority for an attorney to execute liens unless the attorney happens to be "acquainted with the facts stated therein." This highly unlikely unless the attorney also works as an employee of the lienor.  This makes a fun day in a deposition. As far as releases go any individual with authority (including attorneys) can execute releases. Section 713.20 does not include a limitation on who can sign the releases of lien.  Under Section 713.08(2) the discussion becomes much more interesting as to who can prepare the liens . Many throughout the state that are not permitted are preparing liens. This is clearly the unlicensed practice of law.  The Florida Bar has sent cease and desist letters to various companies and non-lawyer individuals for preparing liens. Sincerely, Barry Kalmanson500 N Maitland AvenueSuite 305 Maitland, Fl. 32751407-645-4500 x 215 http://www.barrykalmanson.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Partington <bpartington@clarkpartington.com> To: Jeffrey Price <jeff@npw-law.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 10:24 am Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? #yiv5527013830 #yiv5527013830 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv5527013830 #yiv5527013830 p.yiv5527013830MsoNormal, #yiv5527013830 li.yiv5527013830MsoNormal, #yiv5527013830 div.yiv5527013830MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv5527013830 a:link, #yiv5527013830 span.yiv5527013830MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv5527013830 span.yiv5527013830EmailStyle19 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv5527013830 .yiv5527013830MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered {}#yiv5527013830 div.yiv5527013830WordSection1 {}#yiv5527013830 For what it’s worth, and 692 is part of it, it’s been my policy for years never to sign liens or releases on behalf of clients. Another reason is that the jurat is taking an oath that what is in it is true, and I think it’s best that clients do that. (A release would formally probably only require an acknowledgement, but a lien definitely requires a jurat).   I think the beginning of 692.01 makes it relatively clear: Any corporation may executeinstruments conveying, mortgaging, oraffecting any interest in lands by instruments sealed with the common or corporate seal and signed in its name by its president or any vice president or chief executive officer. Assignments, satisfactions, or partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts may be similarly executed by any corporate officer.    But, read carefully, that only applies to acknowledgements, not jurats, because pretty much all instruments affecting any interests in lands, except a construction lien, require only an acknowledgement.   Bruce Partington | Shareholder bpartington@clarkpartington.com | (850) 432-1399CLARK PARTINGTON Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340 125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor  Pensacola, Florida 32502 clarkpartington.com     From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>On Behalf Of Jeffrey Price Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:05 AM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?   Delivered a partial lien release for a single condo where client has a lien on the entire complex. This was the 6th at this condo for routine sales (Miami-Dade) and was no different that the other 5 (or other 20-some in the last 6 months on other complexes). The release was prepared by me (Attorney for Lienor), signed by me as “Agent/Attorney for Lienor.”     Got into a dispute about the release form (not the amount). First they wanted the jurat changed to duplicate the language as of Jan. 1, 2020 (despite the statute saying the jurat “must be in substantially the following form”). Whatever. Fine.   But then this is forwarded to me. I called “Connie” but because I am not a member of “The Fund” she refused to discuss anything and hung up the phone. (You that have dealt with me can understand, hell, I don’t even like talking to me in a mirror).   Question – has anyone ever heard of this line of reasoning? Does 692 have anything to do with 713 liens and releases?   “The release is signed an agent of a Florida corporation.  Under Sec. 692.01, F.S.,  a corporate officer may sign partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts. There is no authority for anyone other than a corporate officer to sign such a document.” connie Clark Senior Underwriting Counsel   P: 800.432.9594  www.TheFund.com     _______________________________________________ CLC-Discussion mailing list CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussion
Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image
DV
Dan Vega
Wed, Jul 1, 2020 5:00 PM

What does prepare the lien mean?

My 15 year old daughter can take the form in the statute and fill the blanks with the info provided by a client.  The client then signs it.

Who prepared the lien?

Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega, Esq.
Florida Board Certified in Construction Law
Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Court Mediator
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, PLLC
201 Alhambra Circle, Suite 801
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Barry Kalmanson bkpa1@aol.com wrote:


As far as the execution of liens the word "attorney" was removed from the statute in 1977. Now Section 713.08(2) does not provide authority for an attorney to execute liens unless the attorney happens to be "acquainted with the facts stated therein." This highly unlikely unless the attorney also works as an employee of the lienor.  This makes a fun day in a deposition.

As far as releases go any individual with authority (including attorneys) can execute releases. Section 713.20 does not include a limitation on who can sign the releases of lien.

Under Section 713.08(2) the discussion becomes much more interesting as to who can prepare the liens . Many throughout the state that are not permitted are preparing liens. This is clearly the unlicensed practice of law.  The Florida Bar has sent cease and desist letters to various companies and non-lawyer individuals for preparing liens.

Sincerely,

Barry Kalmanson
500 N Maitland Avenue
Suite 305
Maitland, Fl. 32751
407-645-4500 x 215

http://www.barrykalmanson.com/https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.barrykalmanson.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=zE45gdQ3k25VGwVFqkDDplhe4FoiDjn%2BlF87%2BNU7Rfg%3D&reserved=0

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Partington bpartington@clarkpartington.com
To: Jeffrey Price jeff@npw-law.com; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 10:24 am
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?

For what it’s worth, and 692 is part of it, it’s been my policy for years never to sign liens or releases on behalf of clients. Another reason is that the jurat is taking an oath that what is in it is true, and I think it’s best that clients do that. (A release would formally probably only require an acknowledgement, but a lien definitely requires a jurat).

I think the beginning of 692.01 makes it relatively clear:
Any corporation may execute instruments conveying, mortgaging, or affecting any interest in lands by instruments sealed with the common or corporate seal and signed in its name by its president or any vice president or chief executive officer. Assignments, satisfactions, or partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts may be similarly executed by any corporate officer.

But, read carefully, that only applies to acknowledgements, not jurats, because pretty much all instruments affecting any interests in lands, except a construction lien, require only an acknowledgement.

Bruce Partington | Shareholder
bpartington@clarkpartington.com | (850) 432-1399callto:(850)%20432-1399
CLARK PARTINGTON
Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340
125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor
Pensacola, Florida 32502
clarkpartington.comhttps://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fclarkpartington.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=8V8NM6%2FJuXzwWZe913%2F8x2RPisF1Ce7Fhq6o1EJdq54%3D&reserved=0
<logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg>
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FClarkPartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=7P8mWoD7V30zLTXx3qsusIQErhSlO%2FM0XO6xpHGXcN8%3D&reserved=0
<Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png>
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2F2250553%2Fadmin%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=HH5iw%2Bx6oN2zCT2EdxQZERTL07YGINQkb4Uy6SoC3q4%3D&reserved=0
<LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png>
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FClarkPartington&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698350306&sdata=31tK2cJczqIoku4fV5%2BHoTvDsN1V4trlC3jBF3yejZo%3D&reserved=0
<Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png>
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fclarkpartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=dfoT5QSspGV62jrOp0AZMC2cGMyLRHmSWHQW6Ivc1Pw%3D&reserved=0
<Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png>

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org On Behalf Of Jeffrey Price
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:05 AM
To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?

Delivered a partial lien release for a single condo where client has a lien on the entire complex. This was the 6th at this condo for routine sales (Miami-Dade) and was no different that the other 5 (or other 20-some in the last 6 months on other complexes). The release was prepared by me (Attorney for Lienor), signed by me as “Agent/Attorney for Lienor.”

Got into a dispute about the release form (not the amount). First they wanted the jurat changed to duplicate the language as of Jan. 1, 2020 (despite the statute saying the jurat “must be in substantially the following form”). Whatever. Fine.

But then this is forwarded to me. I called “Connie” but because I am not a member of “The Fund” she refused to discuss anything and hung up the phone. (You that have dealt with me can understand, hell, I don’t even like talking to me in a mirror).

Question – has anyone ever heard of this line of reasoning? Does 692 have anything to do with 713 liens and releases?

“The release is signed an agent of a Florida corporation.  Under Sec. 692.01, F.S.,  a corporate officer may sign partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts. There is no authority for anyone other than a corporate officer to sign such a document.”
connie Clark
Senior Underwriting Counsel

P: 800.432.9594
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=kxdUzgHtuLA7uLaJNLRylBOTwhEdD9FVhn0JiC6HSM4%3D&reserved=0
<image001.png>
www.TheFund.comhttps://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=7EWid9xlxCYIXlfp5gnWrLyZSjWuC562YNkiOSMQoLk%3D&reserved=0

<image003.png>
<image005.png>
<image007.jpg>

CLC-Discussion mailing list
CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussionhttps://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=50nshWlPg%2Fd8f%2BBjZ1C08bNRAVFiiUydXLvgLWPynz8%3D&reserved=0
<image001.png>
<Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png>
<Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png>
<LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png>
<Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png>
<image003.png>
<image005.png>
<image007.jpg>
<logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg>

CLC-Discussion mailing list
CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&amp;data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698400277&amp;sdata=VjoieRRnrrkn5PGGzhSggK4nTzUJhDnzSXVUmU%2FBObE%3D&amp;reserved=0

What does prepare the lien mean? My 15 year old daughter can take the form in the statute and fill the blanks with the info provided by a client. The client then signs it. Who prepared the lien? Sent from my iPhone Daniel R. Vega, Esq. Florida Board Certified in Construction Law Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Court Mediator Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, PLLC 201 Alhambra Circle, Suite 801 Coral Gables, Florida 33134 Telephone: (305) 443-2043 Facsimile: (305) 443-2048 Cell: (305) 962-5186 E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.com On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1@aol.com> wrote:  As far as the execution of liens the word "attorney" was removed from the statute in 1977. Now Section 713.08(2) does not provide authority for an attorney to execute liens unless the attorney happens to be "acquainted with the facts stated therein." This highly unlikely unless the attorney also works as an employee of the lienor. This makes a fun day in a deposition. As far as releases go any individual with authority (including attorneys) can execute releases. Section 713.20 does not include a limitation on who can sign the releases of lien. Under Section 713.08(2) the discussion becomes much more interesting as to who can prepare the liens . Many throughout the state that are not permitted are preparing liens. This is clearly the unlicensed practice of law. The Florida Bar has sent cease and desist letters to various companies and non-lawyer individuals for preparing liens. Sincerely, Barry Kalmanson 500 N Maitland Avenue Suite 305 Maitland, Fl. 32751 407-645-4500 x 215 http://www.barrykalmanson.com/<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.barrykalmanson.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=zE45gdQ3k25VGwVFqkDDplhe4FoiDjn%2BlF87%2BNU7Rfg%3D&reserved=0> -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Partington <bpartington@clarkpartington.com> To: Jeffrey Price <jeff@npw-law.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 10:24 am Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? For what it’s worth, and 692 is part of it, it’s been my policy for years never to sign liens or releases on behalf of clients. Another reason is that the jurat is taking an oath that what is in it is true, and I think it’s best that clients do that. (A release would formally probably only require an acknowledgement, but a lien definitely requires a jurat). I think the beginning of 692.01 makes it relatively clear: Any corporation may execute instruments conveying, mortgaging, or affecting any interest in lands by instruments sealed with the common or corporate seal and signed in its name by its president or any vice president or chief executive officer. Assignments, satisfactions, or partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts may be similarly executed by any corporate officer. But, read carefully, that only applies to acknowledgements, not jurats, because pretty much all instruments affecting any interests in lands, except a construction lien, require only an acknowledgement. Bruce Partington | Shareholder bpartington@clarkpartington.com | (850) 432-1399<callto:(850)%20432-1399> CLARK PARTINGTON Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340 125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor Pensacola, Florida 32502 clarkpartington.com<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fclarkpartington.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=8V8NM6%2FJuXzwWZe913%2F8x2RPisF1Ce7Fhq6o1EJdq54%3D&reserved=0> <logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FClarkPartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=7P8mWoD7V30zLTXx3qsusIQErhSlO%2FM0XO6xpHGXcN8%3D&reserved=0> <Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2F2250553%2Fadmin%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=HH5iw%2Bx6oN2zCT2EdxQZERTL07YGINQkb4Uy6SoC3q4%3D&reserved=0> <LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FClarkPartington&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698350306&sdata=31tK2cJczqIoku4fV5%2BHoTvDsN1V4trlC3jBF3yejZo%3D&reserved=0> <Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fclarkpartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=dfoT5QSspGV62jrOp0AZMC2cGMyLRHmSWHQW6Ivc1Pw%3D&reserved=0> <Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Price Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:05 AM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? Delivered a partial lien release for a single condo where client has a lien on the entire complex. This was the 6th at this condo for routine sales (Miami-Dade) and was no different that the other 5 (or other 20-some in the last 6 months on other complexes). The release was prepared by me (Attorney for Lienor), signed by me as “Agent/Attorney for Lienor.” Got into a dispute about the release form (not the amount). First they wanted the jurat changed to duplicate the language as of Jan. 1, 2020 (despite the statute saying the jurat “must be in substantially the following form”). Whatever. Fine. But then this is forwarded to me. I called “Connie” but because I am not a member of “The Fund” she refused to discuss anything and hung up the phone. (You that have dealt with me can understand, hell, I don’t even like talking to me in a mirror). Question – has anyone ever heard of this line of reasoning? Does 692 have anything to do with 713 liens and releases? “The release is signed an agent of a Florida corporation. Under Sec. 692.01, F.S., a corporate officer may sign partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts. There is no authority for anyone other than a corporate officer to sign such a document.” connie Clark Senior Underwriting Counsel P: 800.432.9594 <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=kxdUzgHtuLA7uLaJNLRylBOTwhEdD9FVhn0JiC6HSM4%3D&reserved=0> <image001.png> www.TheFund.com<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=7EWid9xlxCYIXlfp5gnWrLyZSjWuC562YNkiOSMQoLk%3D&reserved=0> <image003.png> <image005.png> <image007.jpg> _______________________________________________ CLC-Discussion mailing list CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussion<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=50nshWlPg%2Fd8f%2BBjZ1C08bNRAVFiiUydXLvgLWPynz8%3D&reserved=0> <image001.png> <Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png> <Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png> <LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png> <Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png> <image003.png> <image005.png> <image007.jpg> <logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg> _______________________________________________ CLC-Discussion mailing list CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&amp;data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698400277&amp;sdata=VjoieRRnrrkn5PGGzhSggK4nTzUJhDnzSXVUmU%2FBObE%3D&amp;reserved=0
Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image
WL
Weintraub, Lee
Wed, Jul 1, 2020 5:03 PM

Your daughter did.  Case law on the subject discusses the complexity of determining property title and calculating the correct lien amount.  That is why it’s unauthorized practice of law.

Lee A. Weintraub
Shareholder
Board Certified in Construction Law
Chair, Public Private Partnerships Practice Group
Vice Chair, Construction Law and Litigation Practice Group
Becker & Poliakoff
1 East Broward Blvd., Suite 1800
Ft. Lauderdale,
FL
33301
954.985.4147
954.985.4176
lweintraub@beckerlawyers.com
www.beckerlawyers.com
Connect with me on LinkedIn
Follow me on Twitter
Follow Becker on...
Confidentiality Note: This message, together with any attachments, may contain privileged and confidential information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any examination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail and permanently delete the original message, along with any attachments. Thank you.
​
From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org On Behalf Of Dan Vega
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 1:01 PM
To: Barry Kalmanson bkpa1@aol.com
Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?

[EXTERNAL EMAIL]
What does prepare the lien mean?

My 15 year old daughter can take the form in the statute and fill the blanks with the info provided by a client.  The client then signs it.

Who prepared the lien?
Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega, Esq.
Florida Board Certified in Construction Law
Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Court Mediator
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, PLLC
201 Alhambra Circle, Suite 801
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1@aol.commailto:bkpa1@aol.com> wrote:

As far as the execution of liens the word "attorney" was removed from the statute in 1977. Now Section 713.08(2) does not provide authority for an attorney to execute liens unless the attorney happens to be "acquainted with the facts stated therein." This highly unlikely unless the attorney also works as an employee of the lienor.  This makes a fun day in a deposition.

As far as releases go any individual with authority (including attorneys) can execute releases. Section 713.20 does not include a limitation on who can sign the releases of lien.

Under Section 713.08(2) the discussion becomes much more interesting as to who can prepare the liens . Many throughout the state that are not permitted are preparing liens. This is clearly the unlicensed practice of law.  The Florida Bar has sent cease and desist letters to various companies and non-lawyer individuals for preparing liens.
Sincerely,

Barry Kalmanson
500 N Maitland Avenue
Suite 305
Maitland, Fl. 32751
407-645-4500 x 215

http://www.barrykalmanson.com/https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.barrykalmanson.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=zE45gdQ3k25VGwVFqkDDplhe4FoiDjn%2BlF87%2BNU7Rfg%3D&reserved=0

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Partington <bpartington@clarkpartington.commailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com>
To: Jeffrey Price <jeff@npw-law.commailto:jeff@npw-law.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>
Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 10:24 am
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?
For what it’s worth, and 692 is part of it, it’s been my policy for years never to sign liens or releases on behalf of clients. Another reason is that the jurat is taking an oath that what is in it is true, and I think it’s best that clients do that. (A release would formally probably only require an acknowledgement, but a lien definitely requires a jurat).

I think the beginning of 692.01 makes it relatively clear:
Any corporation may execute instruments conveying, mortgaging, or affecting any interest in lands by instruments sealed with the common or corporate seal and signed in its name by its president or any vice president or chief executive officer. Assignments, satisfactions, or partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts may be similarly executed by any corporate officer.

But, read carefully, that only applies to acknowledgements, not jurats, because pretty much all instruments affecting any interests in lands, except a construction lien, require only an acknowledgement.

Bruce Partington | Shareholder
bpartington@clarkpartington.commailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com | (850) 432-1399callto:(850)%20432-1399
CLARK PARTINGTON
Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340
125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor
Pensacola, Florida 32502
clarkpartington.comhttps://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fclarkpartington.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=8V8NM6%2FJuXzwWZe913%2F8x2RPisF1Ce7Fhq6o1EJdq54%3D&reserved=0
<logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg>
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FClarkPartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=7P8mWoD7V30zLTXx3qsusIQErhSlO%2FM0XO6xpHGXcN8%3D&reserved=0
<Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FClarkPartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=7P8mWoD7V30zLTXx3qsusIQErhSlO%2FM0XO6xpHGXcN8%3D&reserved=0
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2F2250553%2Fadmin%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=HH5iw%2Bx6oN2zCT2EdxQZERTL07YGINQkb4Uy6SoC3q4%3D&reserved=0
<LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2F2250553%2Fadmin%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=HH5iw%2Bx6oN2zCT2EdxQZERTL07YGINQkb4Uy6SoC3q4%3D&reserved=0
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FClarkPartington&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698350306&sdata=31tK2cJczqIoku4fV5%2BHoTvDsN1V4trlC3jBF3yejZo%3D&reserved=0
<Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FClarkPartington&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698350306&sdata=31tK2cJczqIoku4fV5%2BHoTvDsN1V4trlC3jBF3yejZo%3D&reserved=0
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fclarkpartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=dfoT5QSspGV62jrOp0AZMC2cGMyLRHmSWHQW6Ivc1Pw%3D&reserved=0
<Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fclarkpartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=dfoT5QSspGV62jrOp0AZMC2cGMyLRHmSWHQW6Ivc1Pw%3D&reserved=0

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Price
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:05 AM
To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?

Delivered a partial lien release for a single condo where client has a lien on the entire complex. This was the 6th at this condo for routine sales (Miami-Dade) and was no different that the other 5 (or other 20-some in the last 6 months on other complexes). The release was prepared by me (Attorney for Lienor), signed by me as “Agent/Attorney for Lienor.”

Got into a dispute about the release form (not the amount). First they wanted the jurat changed to duplicate the language as of Jan. 1, 2020 (despite the statute saying the jurat “must be in substantially the following form”). Whatever. Fine.

But then this is forwarded to me. I called “Connie” but because I am not a member of “The Fund” she refused to discuss anything and hung up the phone. (You that have dealt with me can understand, hell, I don’t even like talking to me in a mirror).

Question – has anyone ever heard of this line of reasoning? Does 692 have anything to do with 713 liens and releases?

“The release is signed an agent of a Florida corporation.  Under Sec. 692.01, F.S.,  a corporate officer may sign partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts. There is no authority for anyone other than a corporate officer to sign such a document.”
connie Clark
Senior Underwriting Counsel

P: 800.432.9594
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=kxdUzgHtuLA7uLaJNLRylBOTwhEdD9FVhn0JiC6HSM4%3D&reserved=0
<image001.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=kxdUzgHtuLA7uLaJNLRylBOTwhEdD9FVhn0JiC6HSM4%3D&reserved=0

www.TheFund.comhttps://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=7EWid9xlxCYIXlfp5gnWrLyZSjWuC562YNkiOSMQoLk%3D&reserved=0

<image003.png>
<image005.png>
<image007.jpg>

CLC-Discussion mailing list
CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussionhttps://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=50nshWlPg%2Fd8f%2BBjZ1C08bNRAVFiiUydXLvgLWPynz8%3D&reserved=0
<image001.png>
<Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png>
<Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png>
<LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png>
<Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png>
<image003.png>
<image005.png>
<image007.jpg>
<logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg>

CLC-Discussion mailing list
CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&amp;data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698400277&amp;sdata=VjoieRRnrrkn5PGGzhSggK4nTzUJhDnzSXVUmU%2FBObE%3D&amp;reserved=0https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&amp;data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698400277&amp;sdata=VjoieRRnrrkn5PGGzhSggK4nTzUJhDnzSXVUmU%2FBObE%3D&amp;reserved=0

Your daughter did. Case law on the subject discusses the complexity of determining property title and calculating the correct lien amount. That is why it’s unauthorized practice of law. Lee A. Weintraub Shareholder Board Certified in Construction Law Chair, Public Private Partnerships Practice Group Vice Chair, Construction Law and Litigation Practice Group Becker & Poliakoff 1 East Broward Blvd., Suite 1800 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 954.985.4147 954.985.4176 lweintraub@beckerlawyers.com www.beckerlawyers.com Connect with me on LinkedIn Follow me on Twitter Follow Becker on... Confidentiality Note: This message, together with any attachments, may contain privileged and confidential information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any examination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail and permanently delete the original message, along with any attachments. Thank you. ​ From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of Dan Vega Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 1:01 PM To: Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1@aol.com> Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? [EXTERNAL EMAIL] What does prepare the lien mean? My 15 year old daughter can take the form in the statute and fill the blanks with the info provided by a client. The client then signs it. Who prepared the lien? Sent from my iPhone Daniel R. Vega, Esq. Florida Board Certified in Construction Law Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Court Mediator Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, PLLC 201 Alhambra Circle, Suite 801 Coral Gables, Florida 33134 Telephone: (305) 443-2043 Facsimile: (305) 443-2048 Cell: (305) 962-5186 E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.com<mailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com> On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1@aol.com<mailto:bkpa1@aol.com>> wrote:  As far as the execution of liens the word "attorney" was removed from the statute in 1977. Now Section 713.08(2) does not provide authority for an attorney to execute liens unless the attorney happens to be "acquainted with the facts stated therein." This highly unlikely unless the attorney also works as an employee of the lienor. This makes a fun day in a deposition. As far as releases go any individual with authority (including attorneys) can execute releases. Section 713.20 does not include a limitation on who can sign the releases of lien. Under Section 713.08(2) the discussion becomes much more interesting as to who can prepare the liens . Many throughout the state that are not permitted are preparing liens. This is clearly the unlicensed practice of law. The Florida Bar has sent cease and desist letters to various companies and non-lawyer individuals for preparing liens. Sincerely, Barry Kalmanson 500 N Maitland Avenue Suite 305 Maitland, Fl. 32751 407-645-4500 x 215 http://www.barrykalmanson.com/<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.barrykalmanson.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=zE45gdQ3k25VGwVFqkDDplhe4FoiDjn%2BlF87%2BNU7Rfg%3D&reserved=0> -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Partington <bpartington@clarkpartington.com<mailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com>> To: Jeffrey Price <jeff@npw-law.com<mailto:jeff@npw-law.com>>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 10:24 am Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? For what it’s worth, and 692 is part of it, it’s been my policy for years never to sign liens or releases on behalf of clients. Another reason is that the jurat is taking an oath that what is in it is true, and I think it’s best that clients do that. (A release would formally probably only require an acknowledgement, but a lien definitely requires a jurat). I think the beginning of 692.01 makes it relatively clear: Any corporation may execute instruments conveying, mortgaging, or affecting any interest in lands by instruments sealed with the common or corporate seal and signed in its name by its president or any vice president or chief executive officer. Assignments, satisfactions, or partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts may be similarly executed by any corporate officer. But, read carefully, that only applies to acknowledgements, not jurats, because pretty much all instruments affecting any interests in lands, except a construction lien, require only an acknowledgement. Bruce Partington | Shareholder bpartington@clarkpartington.com<mailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com> | (850) 432-1399<callto:(850)%20432-1399> CLARK PARTINGTON Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340 125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor Pensacola, Florida 32502 clarkpartington.com<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fclarkpartington.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=8V8NM6%2FJuXzwWZe913%2F8x2RPisF1Ce7Fhq6o1EJdq54%3D&reserved=0> <logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FClarkPartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=7P8mWoD7V30zLTXx3qsusIQErhSlO%2FM0XO6xpHGXcN8%3D&reserved=0> <Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FClarkPartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=7P8mWoD7V30zLTXx3qsusIQErhSlO%2FM0XO6xpHGXcN8%3D&reserved=0> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2F2250553%2Fadmin%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=HH5iw%2Bx6oN2zCT2EdxQZERTL07YGINQkb4Uy6SoC3q4%3D&reserved=0> <LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2F2250553%2Fadmin%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=HH5iw%2Bx6oN2zCT2EdxQZERTL07YGINQkb4Uy6SoC3q4%3D&reserved=0> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FClarkPartington&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698350306&sdata=31tK2cJczqIoku4fV5%2BHoTvDsN1V4trlC3jBF3yejZo%3D&reserved=0> <Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FClarkPartington&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698350306&sdata=31tK2cJczqIoku4fV5%2BHoTvDsN1V4trlC3jBF3yejZo%3D&reserved=0> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fclarkpartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=dfoT5QSspGV62jrOp0AZMC2cGMyLRHmSWHQW6Ivc1Pw%3D&reserved=0> <Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fclarkpartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=dfoT5QSspGV62jrOp0AZMC2cGMyLRHmSWHQW6Ivc1Pw%3D&reserved=0> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Price Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:05 AM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? Delivered a partial lien release for a single condo where client has a lien on the entire complex. This was the 6th at this condo for routine sales (Miami-Dade) and was no different that the other 5 (or other 20-some in the last 6 months on other complexes). The release was prepared by me (Attorney for Lienor), signed by me as “Agent/Attorney for Lienor.” Got into a dispute about the release form (not the amount). First they wanted the jurat changed to duplicate the language as of Jan. 1, 2020 (despite the statute saying the jurat “must be in substantially the following form”). Whatever. Fine. But then this is forwarded to me. I called “Connie” but because I am not a member of “The Fund” she refused to discuss anything and hung up the phone. (You that have dealt with me can understand, hell, I don’t even like talking to me in a mirror). Question – has anyone ever heard of this line of reasoning? Does 692 have anything to do with 713 liens and releases? “The release is signed an agent of a Florida corporation. Under Sec. 692.01, F.S., a corporate officer may sign partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts. There is no authority for anyone other than a corporate officer to sign such a document.” connie Clark Senior Underwriting Counsel P: 800.432.9594 <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=kxdUzgHtuLA7uLaJNLRylBOTwhEdD9FVhn0JiC6HSM4%3D&reserved=0> <image001.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=kxdUzgHtuLA7uLaJNLRylBOTwhEdD9FVhn0JiC6HSM4%3D&reserved=0> www.TheFund.com<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=7EWid9xlxCYIXlfp5gnWrLyZSjWuC562YNkiOSMQoLk%3D&reserved=0> <image003.png> <image005.png> <image007.jpg> _______________________________________________ CLC-Discussion mailing list CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussion<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=50nshWlPg%2Fd8f%2BBjZ1C08bNRAVFiiUydXLvgLWPynz8%3D&reserved=0> <image001.png> <Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png> <Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png> <LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png> <Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png> <image003.png> <image005.png> <image007.jpg> <logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg> _______________________________________________ CLC-Discussion mailing list CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&amp;data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698400277&amp;sdata=VjoieRRnrrkn5PGGzhSggK4nTzUJhDnzSXVUmU%2FBObE%3D&amp;reserved=0<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&amp;data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698400277&amp;sdata=VjoieRRnrrkn5PGGzhSggK4nTzUJhDnzSXVUmU%2FBObE%3D&amp;reserved=0>
Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image
JP
Jeffrey Price
Wed, Jul 1, 2020 5:07 PM

Hang on there Barry:

The lawyer talks to the client. Takes a look at the NOC and the NTO (if one was necessary). Checks the contract (and prime if necessary). Checks the first day and last day of work documentation to make sure there are no obvious or glaring mistakes (or lies). Sees the emails and letters (if any). Asks for the billing records and/or pay applications. Reviews the payments in and out becoming generally familiar with the events. Might even call the Owner (or their lawyer) and ask what’s up? Then prepares and signs the lien as the lienor’s attorney-in-fact (agent, clearly).

“713.08(2) The claim of lien may be prepared by the lienor or the lienor’s employee or attorney and shall be signed and sworn to or affirmed by the lienor or the lienor’s agent acquainted with the facts stated therein.”

Acquainted - Verb: past tense: acquainted; past participle: acquainted - make someone aware of or familiar with. Having personal knowledge of something : having seen or experienced something e.g. “lawyer who is well acquainted with the facts in this case.”:  to knowhttps://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/know or be familiarhttps://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/familiar with something, because you have studiedhttps://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/studied it or have experiencedhttps://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/experienced it before.

I think I’m acquainted with the sum and substance of the lien I prepared and signed. Don’t we still have a safe-harbor for attorney developed liens?

“This makes a fun day in a deposition.” Whose deposition? The client who tells you they gave all this stuff to the lawyer? Or the lawyer’s deposition? (I’ve sat for one deposition and that was really fun for me, not so much the other lawyer). Maybe that’s what you meant.

Jeff

[cid:image002.png@01D64FA8.829E97E0][cid:image004.png@01D64FA8.829E97E0][A picture containing drawing, clock  Description automatically generated]

From: Barry Kalmanson bkpa1@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:43 PM
To: bpartington@clarkpartington.com; Jeffrey Price jeff@npw-law.com; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?

As far as the execution of liens the word "attorney" was removed from the statute in 1977. Now Section 713.08(2) does not provide authority for an attorney to execute liens unless the attorney happens to be "acquainted with the facts stated therein." This highly unlikely unless the attorney also works as an employee of the lienor.  This makes a fun day in a deposition.

As far as releases go any individual with authority (including attorneys) can execute releases. Section 713.20 does not include a limitation on who can sign the releases of lien.

Under Section 713.08(2) the discussion becomes much more interesting as to who can prepare the liens . Many throughout the state that are not permitted are preparing liens. This is clearly the unlicensed practice of law.  The Florida Bar has sent cease and desist letters to various companies and non-lawyer individuals for preparing liens.
Sincerely,

Barry Kalmanson
500 N Maitland Avenue
Suite 305
Maitland, Fl. 32751
407-645-4500 x 215

http://www.barrykalmanson.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Partington <bpartington@clarkpartington.commailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com>
To: Jeffrey Price <jeff@npw-law.commailto:jeff@npw-law.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>
Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 10:24 am
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?
For what it’s worth, and 692 is part of it, it’s been my policy for years never to sign liens or releases on behalf of clients. Another reason is that the jurat is taking an oath that what is in it is true, and I think it’s best that clients do that. (A release would formally probably only require an acknowledgement, but a lien definitely requires a jurat).

I think the beginning of 692.01 makes it relatively clear:
Any corporation may execute instruments conveying, mortgaging, or affecting any interest in lands by instruments sealed with the common or corporate seal and signed in its name by its president or any vice president or chief executive officer. Assignments, satisfactions, or partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts may be similarly executed by any corporate officer.

But, read carefully, that only applies to acknowledgements, not jurats, because pretty much all instruments affecting any interests in lands, except a construction lien, require only an acknowledgement.

Bruce Partington | Shareholder
bpartington@clarkpartington.commailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com | (850) 432-1399callto:(850)%20432-1399
CLARK PARTINGTON
Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340
125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor
Pensacola, Florida 32502
clarkpartington.comhttp://clarkpartington.com/
[cid:image007.jpg@01D64FA6.4EEF0120]
[cid:image008.png@01D64FA6.4EEF0120]https://www.facebook.com/ClarkPartington/ [cid:image009.png@01D64FA6.4EEF0120] https://www.linkedin.com/company/2250553/admin/  [cid:image010.png@01D64FA6.4EEF0120] https://twitter.com/ClarkPartington  [cid:image011.png@01D64FA6.4EEF0120] https://www.instagram.com/clarkpartington/

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Price
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:05 AM
To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?

Delivered a partial lien release for a single condo where client has a lien on the entire complex. This was the 6th at this condo for routine sales (Miami-Dade) and was no different that the other 5 (or other 20-some in the last 6 months on other complexes). The release was prepared by me (Attorney for Lienor), signed by me as “Agent/Attorney for Lienor.”

Got into a dispute about the release form (not the amount). First they wanted the jurat changed to duplicate the language as of Jan. 1, 2020 (despite the statute saying the jurat “must be in substantially the following form”). Whatever. Fine.

But then this is forwarded to me. I called “Connie” but because I am not a member of “The Fund” she refused to discuss anything and hung up the phone. (You that have dealt with me can understand, hell, I don’t even like talking to me in a mirror).

Question – has anyone ever heard of this line of reasoning? Does 692 have anything to do with 713 liens and releases?

“The release is signed an agent of a Florida corporation.  Under Sec. 692.01, F.S.,  a corporate officer may sign partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts. There is no authority for anyone other than a corporate officer to sign such a document.”
connie Clark
Senior Underwriting Counsel

P: 800.432.9594
[FUND-NEW-Logo-FC200]http://www.thefund.com/
www.TheFund.comhttp://www.thefund.com/

[cid:image014.png@01D64FA8.829E97E0][cid:image016.png@01D64FA8.829E97E0][A picture containing drawing, clock  Description automatically generated]

CLC-Discussion mailing list
CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussion

Hang on there Barry: The lawyer talks to the client. Takes a look at the NOC and the NTO (if one was necessary). Checks the contract (and prime if necessary). Checks the first day and last day of work documentation to make sure there are no obvious or glaring mistakes (or lies). Sees the emails and letters (if any). Asks for the billing records and/or pay applications. Reviews the payments in and out becoming generally familiar with the events. Might even call the Owner (or their lawyer) and ask what’s up? Then prepares and signs the lien as the lienor’s attorney-in-fact (agent, clearly). “713.08(2) The claim of lien may be prepared by the lienor or the lienor’s employee or attorney and shall be signed and sworn to or affirmed by the lienor or the lienor’s agent acquainted with the facts stated therein.” Acquainted - Verb: past tense: acquainted; past participle: acquainted - make someone aware of or familiar with. Having personal knowledge of something : having seen or experienced something e.g. “lawyer who is well acquainted with the facts in this case.”: to know<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/know> or be familiar<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/familiar> with something, because you have studied<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/studied> it or have experienced<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/experienced> it before. I think I’m acquainted with the sum and substance of the lien I prepared and signed. Don’t we still have a safe-harbor for attorney developed liens? “This makes a fun day in a deposition.” Whose deposition? The client who tells you they gave all this stuff to the lawyer? Or the lawyer’s deposition? (I’ve sat for one deposition and that was really fun for me, not so much the other lawyer). Maybe that’s what you meant. Jeff [cid:image002.png@01D64FA8.829E97E0][cid:image004.png@01D64FA8.829E97E0][A picture containing drawing, clock Description automatically generated] From: Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1@aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:43 PM To: bpartington@clarkpartington.com; Jeffrey Price <jeff@npw-law.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? As far as the execution of liens the word "attorney" was removed from the statute in 1977. Now Section 713.08(2) does not provide authority for an attorney to execute liens unless the attorney happens to be "acquainted with the facts stated therein." This highly unlikely unless the attorney also works as an employee of the lienor. This makes a fun day in a deposition. As far as releases go any individual with authority (including attorneys) can execute releases. Section 713.20 does not include a limitation on who can sign the releases of lien. Under Section 713.08(2) the discussion becomes much more interesting as to who can prepare the liens . Many throughout the state that are not permitted are preparing liens. This is clearly the unlicensed practice of law. The Florida Bar has sent cease and desist letters to various companies and non-lawyer individuals for preparing liens. Sincerely, Barry Kalmanson 500 N Maitland Avenue Suite 305 Maitland, Fl. 32751 407-645-4500 x 215 http://www.barrykalmanson.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Partington <bpartington@clarkpartington.com<mailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com>> To: Jeffrey Price <jeff@npw-law.com<mailto:jeff@npw-law.com>>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 10:24 am Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? For what it’s worth, and 692 is part of it, it’s been my policy for years never to sign liens or releases on behalf of clients. Another reason is that the jurat is taking an oath that what is in it is true, and I think it’s best that clients do that. (A release would formally probably only require an acknowledgement, but a lien definitely requires a jurat). I think the beginning of 692.01 makes it relatively clear: Any corporation may execute instruments conveying, mortgaging, or affecting any interest in lands by instruments sealed with the common or corporate seal and signed in its name by its president or any vice president or chief executive officer. Assignments, satisfactions, or partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts may be similarly executed by any corporate officer. But, read carefully, that only applies to acknowledgements, not jurats, because pretty much all instruments affecting any interests in lands, except a construction lien, require only an acknowledgement. Bruce Partington | Shareholder bpartington@clarkpartington.com<mailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com> | (850) 432-1399<callto:(850)%20432-1399> CLARK PARTINGTON Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340 125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor Pensacola, Florida 32502 clarkpartington.com<http://clarkpartington.com/> [cid:image007.jpg@01D64FA6.4EEF0120] [cid:image008.png@01D64FA6.4EEF0120]<https://www.facebook.com/ClarkPartington/> [cid:image009.png@01D64FA6.4EEF0120] <https://www.linkedin.com/company/2250553/admin/> [cid:image010.png@01D64FA6.4EEF0120] <https://twitter.com/ClarkPartington> [cid:image011.png@01D64FA6.4EEF0120] <https://www.instagram.com/clarkpartington/> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Price Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:05 AM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? Delivered a partial lien release for a single condo where client has a lien on the entire complex. This was the 6th at this condo for routine sales (Miami-Dade) and was no different that the other 5 (or other 20-some in the last 6 months on other complexes). The release was prepared by me (Attorney for Lienor), signed by me as “Agent/Attorney for Lienor.” Got into a dispute about the release form (not the amount). First they wanted the jurat changed to duplicate the language as of Jan. 1, 2020 (despite the statute saying the jurat “must be in substantially the following form”). Whatever. Fine. But then this is forwarded to me. I called “Connie” but because I am not a member of “The Fund” she refused to discuss anything and hung up the phone. (You that have dealt with me can understand, hell, I don’t even like talking to me in a mirror). Question – has anyone ever heard of this line of reasoning? Does 692 have anything to do with 713 liens and releases? “The release is signed an agent of a Florida corporation. Under Sec. 692.01, F.S., a corporate officer may sign partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts. There is no authority for anyone other than a corporate officer to sign such a document.” connie Clark Senior Underwriting Counsel P: 800.432.9594 [FUND-NEW-Logo-FC200]<http://www.thefund.com/> www.TheFund.com<http://www.thefund.com/> [cid:image014.png@01D64FA8.829E97E0][cid:image016.png@01D64FA8.829E97E0][A picture containing drawing, clock Description automatically generated] _______________________________________________ CLC-Discussion mailing list CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussion
Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image
RJ
Reese J. Henderson, Jr.
Wed, Jul 1, 2020 5:09 PM

Dan:  Does your 15 year old daughter know how to prepare a proper legal description of the property that your client’s lien will encumber?  Does your daughter, or any layperson for that matter, appreciate the gravity and potential ramifications of making an error in the calculation of the lien amount (i.e., fraudulent lien exposure)?  Preparing a lien is hardly a trivial task.

Reese J. Henderson, Jr. | Shareholder
Florida Bar Board Certified in Construction Law
Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil Mediator
G R A Y | R O B I N S O N

50 North Laura Street, Suite 1100 | Jacksonville, Florida 32202
T: 904-598-9929 | F: 904-598-9109 | D: 904-632-8459
E-mailmailto:Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com | Websitehttp://www.gray-robinson.com | Biohttp://www.gray-robinson.com/attorneys/detail/1022/ReeseJ-HendersonJr | vCardhttp://www.gray-robinson.com/docs/Reese%20Henderson.vcf

Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/GrayRobinsonLaw | LinkedInhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/grayrobinson-p-a- | Twitterhttps://twitter.com/grayrobinsonlaw

This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) or entity(s) named within the message. This e-mail might contain legally privileged and confidential information. If you properly received this e-mail as a client or retained expert, please hold it in confidence to protect the attorney-client or work product privileges. Should the intended recipient forward or disclose this message to another person or party, that action could constitute a waiver of the attorney-client privilege. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited by the sender and to do so might constitute a violation of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. section 2510-2521. If this communication was received in error we apologize for the intrusion. Please notify us by reply e-mail and delete the original message without reading same. Nothing in this e-mail message shall, in and of itself, create an attorney-client relationship with the sender.

Please be advised that this law firm may be acting as a debt collector and is attempting to collect a debt and any information provided will be used for that purpose.

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org On Behalf Of Dan Vega
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 1:01 PM
To: Barry Kalmanson bkpa1@aol.com
Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?

This message originated outside of GrayRobinson.

What does prepare the lien mean?

My 15 year old daughter can take the form in the statute and fill the blanks with the info provided by a client.  The client then signs it.

Who prepared the lien?
Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega, Esq.
Florida Board Certified in Construction Law
Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Court Mediator
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, PLLC
201 Alhambra Circle, Suite 801
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1@aol.commailto:bkpa1@aol.com> wrote:

As far as the execution of liens the word "attorney" was removed from the statute in 1977. Now Section 713.08(2) does not provide authority for an attorney to execute liens unless the attorney happens to be "acquainted with the facts stated therein." This highly unlikely unless the attorney also works as an employee of the lienor.  This makes a fun day in a deposition.

As far as releases go any individual with authority (including attorneys) can execute releases. Section 713.20 does not include a limitation on who can sign the releases of lien.

Under Section 713.08(2) the discussion becomes much more interesting as to who can prepare the liens . Many throughout the state that are not permitted are preparing liens. This is clearly the unlicensed practice of law.  The Florida Bar has sent cease and desist letters to various companies and non-lawyer individuals for preparing liens.
Sincerely,

Barry Kalmanson
500 N Maitland Avenue
Suite 305
Maitland, Fl. 32751
407-645-4500 x 215

http://www.barrykalmanson.com/https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.barrykalmanson.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=zE45gdQ3k25VGwVFqkDDplhe4FoiDjn%2BlF87%2BNU7Rfg%3D&reserved=0

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Partington <bpartington@clarkpartington.commailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com>
To: Jeffrey Price <jeff@npw-law.commailto:jeff@npw-law.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>
Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 10:24 am
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?
For what it’s worth, and 692 is part of it, it’s been my policy for years never to sign liens or releases on behalf of clients. Another reason is that the jurat is taking an oath that what is in it is true, and I think it’s best that clients do that. (A release would formally probably only require an acknowledgement, but a lien definitely requires a jurat).

I think the beginning of 692.01 makes it relatively clear:
Any corporation may execute instruments conveying, mortgaging, or affecting any interest in lands by instruments sealed with the common or corporate seal and signed in its name by its president or any vice president or chief executive officer. Assignments, satisfactions, or partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts may be similarly executed by any corporate officer.

But, read carefully, that only applies to acknowledgements, not jurats, because pretty much all instruments affecting any interests in lands, except a construction lien, require only an acknowledgement.

Bruce Partington | Shareholder
bpartington@clarkpartington.commailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com | (850) 432-1399callto:(850)%20432-1399
CLARK PARTINGTON
Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340
125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor
Pensacola, Florida 32502
clarkpartington.comhttps://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fclarkpartington.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=8V8NM6%2FJuXzwWZe913%2F8x2RPisF1Ce7Fhq6o1EJdq54%3D&reserved=0
<logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg>
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FClarkPartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=7P8mWoD7V30zLTXx3qsusIQErhSlO%2FM0XO6xpHGXcN8%3D&reserved=0
<Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FClarkPartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=7P8mWoD7V30zLTXx3qsusIQErhSlO%2FM0XO6xpHGXcN8%3D&reserved=0
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2F2250553%2Fadmin%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=HH5iw%2Bx6oN2zCT2EdxQZERTL07YGINQkb4Uy6SoC3q4%3D&reserved=0
<LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2F2250553%2Fadmin%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=HH5iw%2Bx6oN2zCT2EdxQZERTL07YGINQkb4Uy6SoC3q4%3D&reserved=0
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FClarkPartington&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698350306&sdata=31tK2cJczqIoku4fV5%2BHoTvDsN1V4trlC3jBF3yejZo%3D&reserved=0
<Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FClarkPartington&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698350306&sdata=31tK2cJczqIoku4fV5%2BHoTvDsN1V4trlC3jBF3yejZo%3D&reserved=0
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fclarkpartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=dfoT5QSspGV62jrOp0AZMC2cGMyLRHmSWHQW6Ivc1Pw%3D&reserved=0
<Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fclarkpartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=dfoT5QSspGV62jrOp0AZMC2cGMyLRHmSWHQW6Ivc1Pw%3D&reserved=0

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Price
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:05 AM
To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?

Delivered a partial lien release for a single condo where client has a lien on the entire complex. This was the 6th at this condo for routine sales (Miami-Dade) and was no different that the other 5 (or other 20-some in the last 6 months on other complexes). The release was prepared by me (Attorney for Lienor), signed by me as “Agent/Attorney for Lienor.”

Got into a dispute about the release form (not the amount). First they wanted the jurat changed to duplicate the language as of Jan. 1, 2020 (despite the statute saying the jurat “must be in substantially the following form”). Whatever. Fine.

But then this is forwarded to me. I called “Connie” but because I am not a member of “The Fund” she refused to discuss anything and hung up the phone. (You that have dealt with me can understand, hell, I don’t even like talking to me in a mirror).

Question – has anyone ever heard of this line of reasoning? Does 692 have anything to do with 713 liens and releases?

“The release is signed an agent of a Florida corporation.  Under Sec. 692.01, F.S.,  a corporate officer may sign partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts. There is no authority for anyone other than a corporate officer to sign such a document.”
connie Clark
Senior Underwriting Counsel

P: 800.432.9594
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=kxdUzgHtuLA7uLaJNLRylBOTwhEdD9FVhn0JiC6HSM4%3D&reserved=0
<image001.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=kxdUzgHtuLA7uLaJNLRylBOTwhEdD9FVhn0JiC6HSM4%3D&reserved=0

www.TheFund.comhttps://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=7EWid9xlxCYIXlfp5gnWrLyZSjWuC562YNkiOSMQoLk%3D&reserved=0

<image003.png>
<image005.png>
<image007.jpg>

CLC-Discussion mailing list
CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussionhttps://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=50nshWlPg%2Fd8f%2BBjZ1C08bNRAVFiiUydXLvgLWPynz8%3D&reserved=0
<image001.png>
<Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png>
<Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png>
<LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png>
<Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png>
<image003.png>
<image005.png>
<image007.jpg>
<logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg>

CLC-Discussion mailing list
CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&amp;data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698400277&amp;sdata=VjoieRRnrrkn5PGGzhSggK4nTzUJhDnzSXVUmU%2FBObE%3D&amp;reserved=0https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&amp;data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698400277&amp;sdata=VjoieRRnrrkn5PGGzhSggK4nTzUJhDnzSXVUmU%2FBObE%3D&amp;reserved=0

Dan: Does your 15 year old daughter know how to prepare a proper legal description of the property that your client’s lien will encumber? Does your daughter, or any layperson for that matter, appreciate the gravity and potential ramifications of making an error in the calculation of the lien amount (i.e., fraudulent lien exposure)? Preparing a lien is hardly a trivial task. Reese J. Henderson, Jr. | Shareholder Florida Bar Board Certified in Construction Law Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil Mediator G R A Y | R O B I N S O N 50 North Laura Street, Suite 1100 | Jacksonville, Florida 32202 T: 904-598-9929 | F: 904-598-9109 | D: 904-632-8459 E-mail<mailto:Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com> | Website<http://www.gray-robinson.com> | Bio<http://www.gray-robinson.com/attorneys/detail/1022/ReeseJ-HendersonJr> | vCard<http://www.gray-robinson.com/docs/Reese%20Henderson.vcf> Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/GrayRobinsonLaw> | LinkedIn<https://www.linkedin.com/company/grayrobinson-p-a-> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/grayrobinsonlaw> This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) or entity(s) named within the message. This e-mail might contain legally privileged and confidential information. If you properly received this e-mail as a client or retained expert, please hold it in confidence to protect the attorney-client or work product privileges. Should the intended recipient forward or disclose this message to another person or party, that action could constitute a waiver of the attorney-client privilege. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited by the sender and to do so might constitute a violation of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. section 2510-2521. If this communication was received in error we apologize for the intrusion. Please notify us by reply e-mail and delete the original message without reading same. Nothing in this e-mail message shall, in and of itself, create an attorney-client relationship with the sender. Please be advised that this law firm may be acting as a debt collector and is attempting to collect a debt and any information provided will be used for that purpose. From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of Dan Vega Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 1:01 PM To: Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1@aol.com> Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? This message originated outside of GrayRobinson. ________________________________ What does prepare the lien mean? My 15 year old daughter can take the form in the statute and fill the blanks with the info provided by a client. The client then signs it. Who prepared the lien? Sent from my iPhone Daniel R. Vega, Esq. Florida Board Certified in Construction Law Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Court Mediator Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, PLLC 201 Alhambra Circle, Suite 801 Coral Gables, Florida 33134 Telephone: (305) 443-2043 Facsimile: (305) 443-2048 Cell: (305) 962-5186 E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.com<mailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com> On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1@aol.com<mailto:bkpa1@aol.com>> wrote:  As far as the execution of liens the word "attorney" was removed from the statute in 1977. Now Section 713.08(2) does not provide authority for an attorney to execute liens unless the attorney happens to be "acquainted with the facts stated therein." This highly unlikely unless the attorney also works as an employee of the lienor. This makes a fun day in a deposition. As far as releases go any individual with authority (including attorneys) can execute releases. Section 713.20 does not include a limitation on who can sign the releases of lien. Under Section 713.08(2) the discussion becomes much more interesting as to who can prepare the liens . Many throughout the state that are not permitted are preparing liens. This is clearly the unlicensed practice of law. The Florida Bar has sent cease and desist letters to various companies and non-lawyer individuals for preparing liens. Sincerely, Barry Kalmanson 500 N Maitland Avenue Suite 305 Maitland, Fl. 32751 407-645-4500 x 215 http://www.barrykalmanson.com/<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.barrykalmanson.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=zE45gdQ3k25VGwVFqkDDplhe4FoiDjn%2BlF87%2BNU7Rfg%3D&reserved=0> -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Partington <bpartington@clarkpartington.com<mailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com>> To: Jeffrey Price <jeff@npw-law.com<mailto:jeff@npw-law.com>>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 10:24 am Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? For what it’s worth, and 692 is part of it, it’s been my policy for years never to sign liens or releases on behalf of clients. Another reason is that the jurat is taking an oath that what is in it is true, and I think it’s best that clients do that. (A release would formally probably only require an acknowledgement, but a lien definitely requires a jurat). I think the beginning of 692.01 makes it relatively clear: Any corporation may execute instruments conveying, mortgaging, or affecting any interest in lands by instruments sealed with the common or corporate seal and signed in its name by its president or any vice president or chief executive officer. Assignments, satisfactions, or partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts may be similarly executed by any corporate officer. But, read carefully, that only applies to acknowledgements, not jurats, because pretty much all instruments affecting any interests in lands, except a construction lien, require only an acknowledgement. Bruce Partington | Shareholder bpartington@clarkpartington.com<mailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com> | (850) 432-1399<callto:(850)%20432-1399> CLARK PARTINGTON Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340 125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor Pensacola, Florida 32502 clarkpartington.com<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fclarkpartington.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=8V8NM6%2FJuXzwWZe913%2F8x2RPisF1Ce7Fhq6o1EJdq54%3D&reserved=0> <logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FClarkPartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=7P8mWoD7V30zLTXx3qsusIQErhSlO%2FM0XO6xpHGXcN8%3D&reserved=0> <Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FClarkPartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=7P8mWoD7V30zLTXx3qsusIQErhSlO%2FM0XO6xpHGXcN8%3D&reserved=0> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2F2250553%2Fadmin%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=HH5iw%2Bx6oN2zCT2EdxQZERTL07YGINQkb4Uy6SoC3q4%3D&reserved=0> <LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2F2250553%2Fadmin%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=HH5iw%2Bx6oN2zCT2EdxQZERTL07YGINQkb4Uy6SoC3q4%3D&reserved=0> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FClarkPartington&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698350306&sdata=31tK2cJczqIoku4fV5%2BHoTvDsN1V4trlC3jBF3yejZo%3D&reserved=0> <Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FClarkPartington&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698350306&sdata=31tK2cJczqIoku4fV5%2BHoTvDsN1V4trlC3jBF3yejZo%3D&reserved=0> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fclarkpartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=dfoT5QSspGV62jrOp0AZMC2cGMyLRHmSWHQW6Ivc1Pw%3D&reserved=0> <Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fclarkpartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=dfoT5QSspGV62jrOp0AZMC2cGMyLRHmSWHQW6Ivc1Pw%3D&reserved=0> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Price Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:05 AM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? Delivered a partial lien release for a single condo where client has a lien on the entire complex. This was the 6th at this condo for routine sales (Miami-Dade) and was no different that the other 5 (or other 20-some in the last 6 months on other complexes). The release was prepared by me (Attorney for Lienor), signed by me as “Agent/Attorney for Lienor.” Got into a dispute about the release form (not the amount). First they wanted the jurat changed to duplicate the language as of Jan. 1, 2020 (despite the statute saying the jurat “must be in substantially the following form”). Whatever. Fine. But then this is forwarded to me. I called “Connie” but because I am not a member of “The Fund” she refused to discuss anything and hung up the phone. (You that have dealt with me can understand, hell, I don’t even like talking to me in a mirror). Question – has anyone ever heard of this line of reasoning? Does 692 have anything to do with 713 liens and releases? “The release is signed an agent of a Florida corporation. Under Sec. 692.01, F.S., a corporate officer may sign partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts. There is no authority for anyone other than a corporate officer to sign such a document.” connie Clark Senior Underwriting Counsel P: 800.432.9594 <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=kxdUzgHtuLA7uLaJNLRylBOTwhEdD9FVhn0JiC6HSM4%3D&reserved=0> <image001.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=kxdUzgHtuLA7uLaJNLRylBOTwhEdD9FVhn0JiC6HSM4%3D&reserved=0> www.TheFund.com<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=7EWid9xlxCYIXlfp5gnWrLyZSjWuC562YNkiOSMQoLk%3D&reserved=0> <image003.png> <image005.png> <image007.jpg> _______________________________________________ CLC-Discussion mailing list CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussion<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=50nshWlPg%2Fd8f%2BBjZ1C08bNRAVFiiUydXLvgLWPynz8%3D&reserved=0> <image001.png> <Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png> <Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png> <LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png> <Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png> <image003.png> <image005.png> <image007.jpg> <logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg> _______________________________________________ CLC-Discussion mailing list CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&amp;data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698400277&amp;sdata=VjoieRRnrrkn5PGGzhSggK4nTzUJhDnzSXVUmU%2FBObE%3D&amp;reserved=0<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&amp;data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698400277&amp;sdata=VjoieRRnrrkn5PGGzhSggK4nTzUJhDnzSXVUmU%2FBObE%3D&amp;reserved=0>
AC
Adam C. Linkhorst
Wed, Jul 1, 2020 5:18 PM

Take a look at SC13-889. It may be helpful. Deals with property mangers but seems very instruction and has a lot behind it.

Adam C. Linkhorst, Esq.
Linkhorst & Hockin, P.A.
C - 954.562.9199
W - 561.626.8880

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org on behalf of Reese J. Henderson, Jr. Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 11:09:26 AM
To: Dan Vega DVega@TEVTLaw.com; Barry Kalmanson bkpa1@aol.com
Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?

Dan:  Does your 15 year old daughter know how to prepare a proper legal description of the property that your client’s lien will encumber?  Does your daughter, or any layperson for that matter, appreciate the gravity and potential ramifications of making an error in the calculation of the lien amount (i.e., fraudulent lien exposure)?  Preparing a lien is hardly a trivial task.

Reese J. Henderson, Jr. | Shareholder
Florida Bar Board Certified in Construction Law
Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil Mediator
G R A Y | R O B I N S O N

50 North Laura Street, Suite 1100 | Jacksonville, Florida 32202
T: 904-598-9929 | F: 904-598-9109 | D: 904-632-8459
E-mailmailto:Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com | Websitehttp://www.gray-robinson.com | Biohttp://www.gray-robinson.com/attorneys/detail/1022/ReeseJ-HendersonJr | vCardhttp://www.gray-robinson.com/docs/Reese%20Henderson.vcf

Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/GrayRobinsonLaw | LinkedInhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/grayrobinson-p-a- | Twitterhttps://twitter.com/grayrobinsonlaw

This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) or entity(s) named within the message. This e-mail might contain legally privileged and confidential information. If you properly received this e-mail as a client or retained expert, please hold it in confidence to protect the attorney-client or work product privileges. Should the intended recipient forward or disclose this message to another person or party, that action could constitute a waiver of the attorney-client privilege. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited by the sender and to do so might constitute a violation of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. section 2510-2521. If this communication was received in error we apologize for the intrusion. Please notify us by reply e-mail and delete the original message without reading same. Nothing in this e-mail message shall, in and of itself, create an attorney-client relationship with the sender.

Please be advised that this law firm may be acting as a debt collector and is attempting to collect a debt and any information provided will be used for that purpose.

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org On Behalf Of Dan Vega
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 1:01 PM
To: Barry Kalmanson bkpa1@aol.com
Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?

This message originated outside of GrayRobinson.

What does prepare the lien mean?

My 15 year old daughter can take the form in the statute and fill the blanks with the info provided by a client.  The client then signs it.

Who prepared the lien?

Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega, Esq.

Florida Board Certified in Construction Law

Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Court Mediator

Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, PLLC

201 Alhambra Circle, Suite 801

Coral Gables, Florida 33134

Telephone: (305) 443-2043

Facsimile: (305) 443-2048

Cell: (305) 962-5186

E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1@aol.commailto:bkpa1@aol.com> wrote:



As far as the execution of liens the word "attorney" was removed from the statute in 1977. Now Section 713.08(2) does not provide authority for an attorney to execute liens unless the attorney happens to be "acquainted with the facts stated therein." This highly unlikely unless the attorney also works as an employee of the lienor.  This makes a fun day in a deposition.

As far as releases go any individual with authority (including attorneys) can execute releases. Section 713.20 does not include a limitation on who can sign the releases of lien.

Under Section 713.08(2) the discussion becomes much more interesting as to who can prepare the liens . Many throughout the state that are not permitted are preparing liens. This is clearly the unlicensed practice of law.  The Florida Bar has sent cease and desist letters to various companies and non-lawyer individuals for preparing liens.

Sincerely,

Barry Kalmanson

500 N Maitland Avenue

Suite 305

Maitland, Fl. 32751

407-645-4500 x 215

http://www.barrykalmanson.com/https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.barrykalmanson.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=zE45gdQ3k25VGwVFqkDDplhe4FoiDjn%2BlF87%2BNU7Rfg%3D&reserved=0

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Partington <bpartington@clarkpartington.commailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com>
To: Jeffrey Price <jeff@npw-law.commailto:jeff@npw-law.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>
Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 10:24 am
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?

For what it’s worth, and 692 is part of it, it’s been my policy for years never to sign liens or releases on behalf of clients. Another reason is that the jurat is taking an oath that what is in it is true, and I think it’s best that clients do that. (A release would formally probably only require an acknowledgement, but a lien definitely requires a jurat).

I think the beginning of 692.01 makes it relatively clear:

Any corporation may execute instruments conveying, mortgaging, or affecting any interest in lands by instruments sealed with the common or corporate seal and signed in its name by its president or any vice president or chief executive officer. Assignments, satisfactions, or partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts may be similarly executed by any corporate officer.

But, read carefully, that only applies to acknowledgements, not jurats, because pretty much all instruments affecting any interests in lands, except a construction lien, require only an acknowledgement.

Bruce Partington | Shareholder
bpartington@clarkpartington.commailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com | (850) 432-1399callto:(850)%20432-1399

CLARK PARTINGTON
Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340
125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor
Pensacola, Florida 32502
clarkpartington.comhttps://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fclarkpartington.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=8V8NM6%2FJuXzwWZe913%2F8x2RPisF1Ce7Fhq6o1EJdq54%3D&reserved=0

<logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg>

https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FClarkPartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=7P8mWoD7V30zLTXx3qsusIQErhSlO%2FM0XO6xpHGXcN8%3D&reserved=0

<Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FClarkPartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=7P8mWoD7V30zLTXx3qsusIQErhSlO%2FM0XO6xpHGXcN8%3D&reserved=0

https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2F2250553%2Fadmin%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=HH5iw%2Bx6oN2zCT2EdxQZERTL07YGINQkb4Uy6SoC3q4%3D&reserved=0

<LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2F2250553%2Fadmin%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=HH5iw%2Bx6oN2zCT2EdxQZERTL07YGINQkb4Uy6SoC3q4%3D&reserved=0

https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FClarkPartington&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698350306&sdata=31tK2cJczqIoku4fV5%2BHoTvDsN1V4trlC3jBF3yejZo%3D&reserved=0

<Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FClarkPartington&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698350306&sdata=31tK2cJczqIoku4fV5%2BHoTvDsN1V4trlC3jBF3yejZo%3D&reserved=0

https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fclarkpartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=dfoT5QSspGV62jrOp0AZMC2cGMyLRHmSWHQW6Ivc1Pw%3D&reserved=0

<Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fclarkpartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=dfoT5QSspGV62jrOp0AZMC2cGMyLRHmSWHQW6Ivc1Pw%3D&reserved=0

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Price
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:05 AM
To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?

Delivered a partial lien release for a single condo where client has a lien on the entire complex. This was the 6th at this condo for routine sales (Miami-Dade) and was no different that the other 5 (or other 20-some in the last 6 months on other complexes). The release was prepared by me (Attorney for Lienor), signed by me as “Agent/Attorney for Lienor.”

Got into a dispute about the release form (not the amount). First they wanted the jurat changed to duplicate the language as of Jan. 1, 2020 (despite the statute saying the jurat “must be in substantially the following form”). Whatever. Fine.

But then this is forwarded to me. I called “Connie” but because I am not a member of “The Fund” she refused to discuss anything and hung up the phone. (You that have dealt with me can understand, hell, I don’t even like talking to me in a mirror).

Question – has anyone ever heard of this line of reasoning? Does 692 have anything to do with 713 liens and releases?

“The release is signed an agent of a Florida corporation.  Under Sec. 692.01, F.S.,  a corporate officer may sign partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts. There is no authority for anyone other than a corporate officer to sign such a document.”

connie Clark

Senior Underwriting Counsel

P: 800.432.9594

https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=kxdUzgHtuLA7uLaJNLRylBOTwhEdD9FVhn0JiC6HSM4%3D&reserved=0

<image001.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=kxdUzgHtuLA7uLaJNLRylBOTwhEdD9FVhn0JiC6HSM4%3D&reserved=0

www.TheFund.comhttps://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=7EWid9xlxCYIXlfp5gnWrLyZSjWuC562YNkiOSMQoLk%3D&reserved=0

<image003.png>

<image005.png>

<image007.jpg>

CLC-Discussion mailing list
CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussionhttps://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=50nshWlPg%2Fd8f%2BBjZ1C08bNRAVFiiUydXLvgLWPynz8%3D&reserved=0

<image001.png>

<Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png>

<Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png>

<LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png>

<Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png>

<image003.png>

<image005.png>

<image007.jpg>

<logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg>

CLC-Discussion mailing list
CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&amp;data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698400277&amp;sdata=VjoieRRnrrkn5PGGzhSggK4nTzUJhDnzSXVUmU%2FBObE%3D&amp;reserved=0

Take a look at SC13-889. It may be helpful. Deals with property mangers but seems very instruction and has a lot behind it. Adam C. Linkhorst, Esq. Linkhorst & Hockin, P.A. C - 954.562.9199 W - 561.626.8880 ________________________________ From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> on behalf of Reese J. Henderson, Jr. <Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 11:09:26 AM To: Dan Vega <DVega@TEVTLaw.com>; Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1@aol.com> Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? Dan: Does your 15 year old daughter know how to prepare a proper legal description of the property that your client’s lien will encumber? Does your daughter, or any layperson for that matter, appreciate the gravity and potential ramifications of making an error in the calculation of the lien amount (i.e., fraudulent lien exposure)? Preparing a lien is hardly a trivial task. Reese J. Henderson, Jr. | Shareholder Florida Bar Board Certified in Construction Law Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil Mediator G R A Y | R O B I N S O N 50 North Laura Street, Suite 1100 | Jacksonville, Florida 32202 T: 904-598-9929 | F: 904-598-9109 | D: 904-632-8459 E-mail<mailto:Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com> | Website<http://www.gray-robinson.com> | Bio<http://www.gray-robinson.com/attorneys/detail/1022/ReeseJ-HendersonJr> | vCard<http://www.gray-robinson.com/docs/Reese%20Henderson.vcf> Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/GrayRobinsonLaw> | LinkedIn<https://www.linkedin.com/company/grayrobinson-p-a-> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/grayrobinsonlaw> This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) or entity(s) named within the message. This e-mail might contain legally privileged and confidential information. If you properly received this e-mail as a client or retained expert, please hold it in confidence to protect the attorney-client or work product privileges. Should the intended recipient forward or disclose this message to another person or party, that action could constitute a waiver of the attorney-client privilege. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited by the sender and to do so might constitute a violation of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. section 2510-2521. If this communication was received in error we apologize for the intrusion. Please notify us by reply e-mail and delete the original message without reading same. Nothing in this e-mail message shall, in and of itself, create an attorney-client relationship with the sender. Please be advised that this law firm may be acting as a debt collector and is attempting to collect a debt and any information provided will be used for that purpose. From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of Dan Vega Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 1:01 PM To: Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1@aol.com> Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? This message originated outside of GrayRobinson. ________________________________ What does prepare the lien mean? My 15 year old daughter can take the form in the statute and fill the blanks with the info provided by a client. The client then signs it. Who prepared the lien? Sent from my iPhone Daniel R. Vega, Esq. Florida Board Certified in Construction Law Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Court Mediator Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, PLLC 201 Alhambra Circle, Suite 801 Coral Gables, Florida 33134 Telephone: (305) 443-2043 Facsimile: (305) 443-2048 Cell: (305) 962-5186 E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.com<mailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com> On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1@aol.com<mailto:bkpa1@aol.com>> wrote:  As far as the execution of liens the word "attorney" was removed from the statute in 1977. Now Section 713.08(2) does not provide authority for an attorney to execute liens unless the attorney happens to be "acquainted with the facts stated therein." This highly unlikely unless the attorney also works as an employee of the lienor. This makes a fun day in a deposition. As far as releases go any individual with authority (including attorneys) can execute releases. Section 713.20 does not include a limitation on who can sign the releases of lien. Under Section 713.08(2) the discussion becomes much more interesting as to who can prepare the liens . Many throughout the state that are not permitted are preparing liens. This is clearly the unlicensed practice of law. The Florida Bar has sent cease and desist letters to various companies and non-lawyer individuals for preparing liens. Sincerely, Barry Kalmanson 500 N Maitland Avenue Suite 305 Maitland, Fl. 32751 407-645-4500 x 215 http://www.barrykalmanson.com/<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.barrykalmanson.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=zE45gdQ3k25VGwVFqkDDplhe4FoiDjn%2BlF87%2BNU7Rfg%3D&reserved=0> -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Partington <bpartington@clarkpartington.com<mailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com>> To: Jeffrey Price <jeff@npw-law.com<mailto:jeff@npw-law.com>>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 10:24 am Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? For what it’s worth, and 692 is part of it, it’s been my policy for years never to sign liens or releases on behalf of clients. Another reason is that the jurat is taking an oath that what is in it is true, and I think it’s best that clients do that. (A release would formally probably only require an acknowledgement, but a lien definitely requires a jurat). I think the beginning of 692.01 makes it relatively clear: Any corporation may execute instruments conveying, mortgaging, or affecting any interest in lands by instruments sealed with the common or corporate seal and signed in its name by its president or any vice president or chief executive officer. Assignments, satisfactions, or partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts may be similarly executed by any corporate officer. But, read carefully, that only applies to acknowledgements, not jurats, because pretty much all instruments affecting any interests in lands, except a construction lien, require only an acknowledgement. Bruce Partington | Shareholder bpartington@clarkpartington.com<mailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com> | (850) 432-1399<callto:(850)%20432-1399> CLARK PARTINGTON Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340 125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor Pensacola, Florida 32502 clarkpartington.com<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fclarkpartington.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=8V8NM6%2FJuXzwWZe913%2F8x2RPisF1Ce7Fhq6o1EJdq54%3D&reserved=0> <logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FClarkPartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=7P8mWoD7V30zLTXx3qsusIQErhSlO%2FM0XO6xpHGXcN8%3D&reserved=0> <Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FClarkPartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=7P8mWoD7V30zLTXx3qsusIQErhSlO%2FM0XO6xpHGXcN8%3D&reserved=0> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2F2250553%2Fadmin%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=HH5iw%2Bx6oN2zCT2EdxQZERTL07YGINQkb4Uy6SoC3q4%3D&reserved=0> <LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2F2250553%2Fadmin%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=HH5iw%2Bx6oN2zCT2EdxQZERTL07YGINQkb4Uy6SoC3q4%3D&reserved=0> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FClarkPartington&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698350306&sdata=31tK2cJczqIoku4fV5%2BHoTvDsN1V4trlC3jBF3yejZo%3D&reserved=0> <Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FClarkPartington&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698350306&sdata=31tK2cJczqIoku4fV5%2BHoTvDsN1V4trlC3jBF3yejZo%3D&reserved=0> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fclarkpartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=dfoT5QSspGV62jrOp0AZMC2cGMyLRHmSWHQW6Ivc1Pw%3D&reserved=0> <Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fclarkpartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=dfoT5QSspGV62jrOp0AZMC2cGMyLRHmSWHQW6Ivc1Pw%3D&reserved=0> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Price Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:05 AM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? Delivered a partial lien release for a single condo where client has a lien on the entire complex. This was the 6th at this condo for routine sales (Miami-Dade) and was no different that the other 5 (or other 20-some in the last 6 months on other complexes). The release was prepared by me (Attorney for Lienor), signed by me as “Agent/Attorney for Lienor.” Got into a dispute about the release form (not the amount). First they wanted the jurat changed to duplicate the language as of Jan. 1, 2020 (despite the statute saying the jurat “must be in substantially the following form”). Whatever. Fine. But then this is forwarded to me. I called “Connie” but because I am not a member of “The Fund” she refused to discuss anything and hung up the phone. (You that have dealt with me can understand, hell, I don’t even like talking to me in a mirror). Question – has anyone ever heard of this line of reasoning? Does 692 have anything to do with 713 liens and releases? “The release is signed an agent of a Florida corporation. Under Sec. 692.01, F.S., a corporate officer may sign partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts. There is no authority for anyone other than a corporate officer to sign such a document.” connie Clark Senior Underwriting Counsel P: 800.432.9594 <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=kxdUzgHtuLA7uLaJNLRylBOTwhEdD9FVhn0JiC6HSM4%3D&reserved=0> <image001.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=kxdUzgHtuLA7uLaJNLRylBOTwhEdD9FVhn0JiC6HSM4%3D&reserved=0> www.TheFund.com<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=7EWid9xlxCYIXlfp5gnWrLyZSjWuC562YNkiOSMQoLk%3D&reserved=0> <image003.png> <image005.png> <image007.jpg> _______________________________________________ CLC-Discussion mailing list CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussion<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=50nshWlPg%2Fd8f%2BBjZ1C08bNRAVFiiUydXLvgLWPynz8%3D&reserved=0> <image001.png> <Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png> <Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png> <LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png> <Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png> <image003.png> <image005.png> <image007.jpg> <logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg> _______________________________________________ CLC-Discussion mailing list CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&amp;data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698400277&amp;sdata=VjoieRRnrrkn5PGGzhSggK4nTzUJhDnzSXVUmU%2FBObE%3D&amp;reserved=0
BP
Bruce Partington
Wed, Jul 1, 2020 5:19 PM

I really need to be more careful about reading these in order. I opened Lee’s below without opening Dan’s first, and though that this thread had devolved into a commentary on family members…..

Bruce Partington | Shareholder
bpartington@clarkpartington.com | (850) 432-1399callto:(850)%20432-1399

CLARK PARTINGTON
Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340
125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor
Pensacola, Florida 32502
clarkpartington.comhttp://clarkpartington.com/

[cid:logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg]

[cid:Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png]https://www.facebook.com/ClarkPartington/ [cid:LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png] https://www.linkedin.com/company/2250553/admin/  [cid:Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png] https://twitter.com/ClarkPartington  [cid:Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png] https://www.instagram.com/clarkpartington/

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org On Behalf Of Weintraub, Lee
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:04 PM
To: Dan Vega DVega@TEVTLaw.com; Barry Kalmanson bkpa1@aol.com
Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?

Your daughter did.  Case law on the subject discusses the complexity of determining property title and calculating the correct lien amount.  That is why it’s unauthorized practice of law.

Lee​

A.

Weintraub

Shareholder
Board Certified in Construction Law
Chair, Public Private Partnerships Practice Group
Vice Chair, Construction Law and Litigation Practice Group

[cid:image001.png@01D64FA1.EA2BB430]http://www.beckerlawyers.com/

Becker & Poliakoff

1 East Broward Blvd., Suite 1800

Ft. Lauderdale,

FL

33301

[cid:image002.png@01D64FA1.EA2BB430]

954.985.4147tel:954.985.4147

[cid:image003.png@01D64FA1.EA2BB430]

954.985.4176fax:954.985.4176

[cid:image004.png@01D64FA1.EA2BB430]

lweintraub@beckerlawyers.commailto:lweintraub@beckerlawyers.com

[cid:image005.png@01D64FA1.EA2BB430]

www.beckerlawyers.comhttp://www.beckerlawyers.com/

[cid:image006.png@01D64FA1.EA2BB430]

Connect with me on LinkedIn
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/lee-weintraub/1b/a0b/813

[cid:image007.png@01D64FA1.EA2BB430]

Follow me onhttp://twitter.com/leeweintraub Twitter
http://twitter.com/leeweintraub

[cid:image008.jpg@01D64FA1.EA2BB430]

Follow Becker on...

[Facebook]http://www.facebook.com/beckerpoliakoff

[LinkedIn]http://www.linkedin.com/company/becker-&-poliakoff-p.a.

[Twitter]http://twitter.com/BeckerPoliakoff

[YouTube]https://www.youtube.com/user/bplawfirm

Confidentiality Note: This message, together with any attachments, may contain privileged and confidential information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any examination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail and permanently delete the original message, along with any attachments. Thank you.
​

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org On Behalf Of Dan Vega
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 1:01 PM
To: Barry Kalmanson bkpa1@aol.com
Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?

[EXTERNAL EMAIL]
What does prepare the lien mean?

My 15 year old daughter can take the form in the statute and fill the blanks with the info provided by a client.  The client then signs it.

Who prepared the lien?
Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega, Esq.
Florida Board Certified in Construction Law
Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Court Mediator
Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, PLLC
201 Alhambra Circle, Suite 801
Coral Gables, Florida 33134
Telephone: (305) 443-2043
Facsimile: (305) 443-2048
Cell: (305) 962-5186
E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1@aol.commailto:bkpa1@aol.com> wrote:

As far as the execution of liens the word "attorney" was removed from the statute in 1977. Now Section 713.08(2) does not provide authority for an attorney to execute liens unless the attorney happens to be "acquainted with the facts stated therein." This highly unlikely unless the attorney also works as an employee of the lienor.  This makes a fun day in a deposition.

As far as releases go any individual with authority (including attorneys) can execute releases. Section 713.20 does not include a limitation on who can sign the releases of lien.

Under Section 713.08(2) the discussion becomes much more interesting as to who can prepare the liens . Many throughout the state that are not permitted are preparing liens. This is clearly the unlicensed practice of law.  The Florida Bar has sent cease and desist letters to various companies and non-lawyer individuals for preparing liens.
Sincerely,

Barry Kalmanson
500 N Maitland Avenue
Suite 305
Maitland, Fl. 32751
407-645-4500 x 215

http://www.barrykalmanson.com/https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.barrykalmanson.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=zE45gdQ3k25VGwVFqkDDplhe4FoiDjn%2BlF87%2BNU7Rfg%3D&reserved=0

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Partington <bpartington@clarkpartington.commailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com>
To: Jeffrey Price <jeff@npw-law.commailto:jeff@npw-law.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>
Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 10:24 am
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?
For what it’s worth, and 692 is part of it, it’s been my policy for years never to sign liens or releases on behalf of clients. Another reason is that the jurat is taking an oath that what is in it is true, and I think it’s best that clients do that. (A release would formally probably only require an acknowledgement, but a lien definitely requires a jurat).

I think the beginning of 692.01 makes it relatively clear:
Any corporation may execute instruments conveying, mortgaging, or affecting any interest in lands by instruments sealed with the common or corporate seal and signed in its name by its president or any vice president or chief executive officer. Assignments, satisfactions, or partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts may be similarly executed by any corporate officer.

But, read carefully, that only applies to acknowledgements, not jurats, because pretty much all instruments affecting any interests in lands, except a construction lien, require only an acknowledgement.

Bruce Partington | Shareholder
bpartington@clarkpartington.commailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com | (850) 432-1399callto:(850)%20432-1399
CLARK PARTINGTON
Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340
125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor
Pensacola, Florida 32502
clarkpartington.comhttps://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fclarkpartington.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=8V8NM6%2FJuXzwWZe913%2F8x2RPisF1Ce7Fhq6o1EJdq54%3D&reserved=0
<logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg>
<Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FClarkPartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=7P8mWoD7V30zLTXx3qsusIQErhSlO%2FM0XO6xpHGXcN8%3D&reserved=0
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2F2250553%2Fadmin%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=HH5iw%2Bx6oN2zCT2EdxQZERTL07YGINQkb4Uy6SoC3q4%3D&reserved=0
<LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2F2250553%2Fadmin%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=HH5iw%2Bx6oN2zCT2EdxQZERTL07YGINQkb4Uy6SoC3q4%3D&reserved=0
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FClarkPartington&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698350306&sdata=31tK2cJczqIoku4fV5%2BHoTvDsN1V4trlC3jBF3yejZo%3D&reserved=0
<Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FClarkPartington&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698350306&sdata=31tK2cJczqIoku4fV5%2BHoTvDsN1V4trlC3jBF3yejZo%3D&reserved=0
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fclarkpartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=dfoT5QSspGV62jrOp0AZMC2cGMyLRHmSWHQW6Ivc1Pw%3D&reserved=0
<Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fclarkpartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=dfoT5QSspGV62jrOp0AZMC2cGMyLRHmSWHQW6Ivc1Pw%3D&reserved=0

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Price
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:05 AM
To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?

Delivered a partial lien release for a single condo where client has a lien on the entire complex. This was the 6th at this condo for routine sales (Miami-Dade) and was no different that the other 5 (or other 20-some in the last 6 months on other complexes). The release was prepared by me (Attorney for Lienor), signed by me as “Agent/Attorney for Lienor.”

Got into a dispute about the release form (not the amount). First they wanted the jurat changed to duplicate the language as of Jan. 1, 2020 (despite the statute saying the jurat “must be in substantially the following form”). Whatever. Fine.

But then this is forwarded to me. I called “Connie” but because I am not a member of “The Fund” she refused to discuss anything and hung up the phone. (You that have dealt with me can understand, hell, I don’t even like talking to me in a mirror).

Question – has anyone ever heard of this line of reasoning? Does 692 have anything to do with 713 liens and releases?

“The release is signed an agent of a Florida corporation.  Under Sec. 692.01, F.S.,  a corporate officer may sign partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts. There is no authority for anyone other than a corporate officer to sign such a document.”
connie Clark
Senior Underwriting Counsel

P: 800.432.9594
<image001.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=kxdUzgHtuLA7uLaJNLRylBOTwhEdD9FVhn0JiC6HSM4%3D&reserved=0

www.TheFund.comhttps://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=7EWid9xlxCYIXlfp5gnWrLyZSjWuC562YNkiOSMQoLk%3D&reserved=0

<image003.png>
<image005.png>
<image007.jpg>

CLC-Discussion mailing list
CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussionhttps://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=50nshWlPg%2Fd8f%2BBjZ1C08bNRAVFiiUydXLvgLWPynz8%3D&reserved=0
<image001.png>
<Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png>
<Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png>
<LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png>
<Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png>
<image003.png>
<image005.png>
<image007.jpg>
<logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg>

CLC-Discussion mailing list
CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&amp;data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698400277&amp;sdata=VjoieRRnrrkn5PGGzhSggK4nTzUJhDnzSXVUmU%2FBObE%3D&amp;reserved=0

I really need to be more careful about reading these in order. I opened Lee’s below without opening Dan’s first, and though that this thread had devolved into a commentary on family members….. Bruce Partington | Shareholder bpartington@clarkpartington.com | (850) 432-1399<callto:(850)%20432-1399> CLARK PARTINGTON Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340 125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor Pensacola, Florida 32502 clarkpartington.com<http://clarkpartington.com/> [cid:logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg] [cid:Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ClarkPartington/> [cid:LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png] <https://www.linkedin.com/company/2250553/admin/> [cid:Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png] <https://twitter.com/ClarkPartington> [cid:Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png] <https://www.instagram.com/clarkpartington/> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of Weintraub, Lee Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:04 PM To: Dan Vega <DVega@TEVTLaw.com>; Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1@aol.com> Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? Your daughter did. Case law on the subject discusses the complexity of determining property title and calculating the correct lien amount. That is why it’s unauthorized practice of law. Lee​ A. Weintraub Shareholder Board Certified in Construction Law Chair, Public Private Partnerships Practice Group Vice Chair, Construction Law and Litigation Practice Group [cid:image001.png@01D64FA1.EA2BB430]<http://www.beckerlawyers.com/> Becker & Poliakoff 1 East Broward Blvd., Suite 1800 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 [cid:image002.png@01D64FA1.EA2BB430] 954.985.4147<tel:954.985.4147> [cid:image003.png@01D64FA1.EA2BB430] 954.985.4176<fax:954.985.4176> [cid:image004.png@01D64FA1.EA2BB430] lweintraub@beckerlawyers.com<mailto:lweintraub@beckerlawyers.com> [cid:image005.png@01D64FA1.EA2BB430] www.beckerlawyers.com<http://www.beckerlawyers.com/> [cid:image006.png@01D64FA1.EA2BB430] Connect with me on LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/lee-weintraub/1b/a0b/813> [cid:image007.png@01D64FA1.EA2BB430] Follow me on<http://twitter.com/leeweintraub> Twitter <http://twitter.com/leeweintraub> [cid:image008.jpg@01D64FA1.EA2BB430] Follow Becker on... [Facebook]<http://www.facebook.com/beckerpoliakoff> [LinkedIn]<http://www.linkedin.com/company/becker-&-poliakoff-p.a.> [Twitter]<http://twitter.com/BeckerPoliakoff> [YouTube]<https://www.youtube.com/user/bplawfirm> Confidentiality Note: This message, together with any attachments, may contain privileged and confidential information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any examination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail and permanently delete the original message, along with any attachments. Thank you. ​ From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of Dan Vega Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 1:01 PM To: Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1@aol.com> Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? [EXTERNAL EMAIL] What does prepare the lien mean? My 15 year old daughter can take the form in the statute and fill the blanks with the info provided by a client. The client then signs it. Who prepared the lien? Sent from my iPhone Daniel R. Vega, Esq. Florida Board Certified in Construction Law Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Court Mediator Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, PLLC 201 Alhambra Circle, Suite 801 Coral Gables, Florida 33134 Telephone: (305) 443-2043 Facsimile: (305) 443-2048 Cell: (305) 962-5186 E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.com<mailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com> On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1@aol.com<mailto:bkpa1@aol.com>> wrote:  As far as the execution of liens the word "attorney" was removed from the statute in 1977. Now Section 713.08(2) does not provide authority for an attorney to execute liens unless the attorney happens to be "acquainted with the facts stated therein." This highly unlikely unless the attorney also works as an employee of the lienor. This makes a fun day in a deposition. As far as releases go any individual with authority (including attorneys) can execute releases. Section 713.20 does not include a limitation on who can sign the releases of lien. Under Section 713.08(2) the discussion becomes much more interesting as to who can prepare the liens . Many throughout the state that are not permitted are preparing liens. This is clearly the unlicensed practice of law. The Florida Bar has sent cease and desist letters to various companies and non-lawyer individuals for preparing liens. Sincerely, Barry Kalmanson 500 N Maitland Avenue Suite 305 Maitland, Fl. 32751 407-645-4500 x 215 http://www.barrykalmanson.com/<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.barrykalmanson.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=zE45gdQ3k25VGwVFqkDDplhe4FoiDjn%2BlF87%2BNU7Rfg%3D&reserved=0> -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Partington <bpartington@clarkpartington.com<mailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com>> To: Jeffrey Price <jeff@npw-law.com<mailto:jeff@npw-law.com>>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 10:24 am Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? For what it’s worth, and 692 is part of it, it’s been my policy for years never to sign liens or releases on behalf of clients. Another reason is that the jurat is taking an oath that what is in it is true, and I think it’s best that clients do that. (A release would formally probably only require an acknowledgement, but a lien definitely requires a jurat). I think the beginning of 692.01 makes it relatively clear: Any corporation may execute instruments conveying, mortgaging, or affecting any interest in lands by instruments sealed with the common or corporate seal and signed in its name by its president or any vice president or chief executive officer. Assignments, satisfactions, or partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts may be similarly executed by any corporate officer. But, read carefully, that only applies to acknowledgements, not jurats, because pretty much all instruments affecting any interests in lands, except a construction lien, require only an acknowledgement. Bruce Partington | Shareholder bpartington@clarkpartington.com<mailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com> | (850) 432-1399<callto:(850)%20432-1399> CLARK PARTINGTON Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340 125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor Pensacola, Florida 32502 clarkpartington.com<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fclarkpartington.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=8V8NM6%2FJuXzwWZe913%2F8x2RPisF1Ce7Fhq6o1EJdq54%3D&reserved=0> <logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg> <Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FClarkPartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=7P8mWoD7V30zLTXx3qsusIQErhSlO%2FM0XO6xpHGXcN8%3D&reserved=0> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2F2250553%2Fadmin%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=HH5iw%2Bx6oN2zCT2EdxQZERTL07YGINQkb4Uy6SoC3q4%3D&reserved=0> <LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2F2250553%2Fadmin%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=HH5iw%2Bx6oN2zCT2EdxQZERTL07YGINQkb4Uy6SoC3q4%3D&reserved=0> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FClarkPartington&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698350306&sdata=31tK2cJczqIoku4fV5%2BHoTvDsN1V4trlC3jBF3yejZo%3D&reserved=0> <Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FClarkPartington&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698350306&sdata=31tK2cJczqIoku4fV5%2BHoTvDsN1V4trlC3jBF3yejZo%3D&reserved=0> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fclarkpartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=dfoT5QSspGV62jrOp0AZMC2cGMyLRHmSWHQW6Ivc1Pw%3D&reserved=0> <Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fclarkpartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=dfoT5QSspGV62jrOp0AZMC2cGMyLRHmSWHQW6Ivc1Pw%3D&reserved=0> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Price Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:05 AM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? Delivered a partial lien release for a single condo where client has a lien on the entire complex. This was the 6th at this condo for routine sales (Miami-Dade) and was no different that the other 5 (or other 20-some in the last 6 months on other complexes). The release was prepared by me (Attorney for Lienor), signed by me as “Agent/Attorney for Lienor.” Got into a dispute about the release form (not the amount). First they wanted the jurat changed to duplicate the language as of Jan. 1, 2020 (despite the statute saying the jurat “must be in substantially the following form”). Whatever. Fine. But then this is forwarded to me. I called “Connie” but because I am not a member of “The Fund” she refused to discuss anything and hung up the phone. (You that have dealt with me can understand, hell, I don’t even like talking to me in a mirror). Question – has anyone ever heard of this line of reasoning? Does 692 have anything to do with 713 liens and releases? “The release is signed an agent of a Florida corporation. Under Sec. 692.01, F.S., a corporate officer may sign partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts. There is no authority for anyone other than a corporate officer to sign such a document.” connie Clark Senior Underwriting Counsel P: 800.432.9594 <image001.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=kxdUzgHtuLA7uLaJNLRylBOTwhEdD9FVhn0JiC6HSM4%3D&reserved=0> www.TheFund.com<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=7EWid9xlxCYIXlfp5gnWrLyZSjWuC562YNkiOSMQoLk%3D&reserved=0> <image003.png> <image005.png> <image007.jpg> _______________________________________________ CLC-Discussion mailing list CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussion<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=50nshWlPg%2Fd8f%2BBjZ1C08bNRAVFiiUydXLvgLWPynz8%3D&reserved=0> <image001.png> <Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png> <Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png> <LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png> <Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png> <image003.png> <image005.png> <image007.jpg> <logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg> _______________________________________________ CLC-Discussion mailing list CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&amp;data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698400277&amp;sdata=VjoieRRnrrkn5PGGzhSggK4nTzUJhDnzSXVUmU%2FBObE%3D&amp;reserved=0
Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image Attached image
RJ
Reese J. Henderson, Jr.
Wed, Jul 1, 2020 5:23 PM

Here’s a link for the curious - https://caselaw.findlaw.com/fl-supreme-court/1717326.html

Reese J. Henderson, Jr. | Shareholder
Florida Bar Board Certified in Construction Law
Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil Mediator
G R A Y | R O B I N S O N

50 North Laura Street, Suite 1100 | Jacksonville, Florida 32202
T: 904-598-9929 | F: 904-598-9109 | D: 904-632-8459
E-mailmailto:Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com | Websitehttp://www.gray-robinson.com | Biohttp://www.gray-robinson.com/attorneys/detail/1022/ReeseJ-HendersonJr | vCardhttp://www.gray-robinson.com/docs/Reese%20Henderson.vcf

Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/GrayRobinsonLaw | LinkedInhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/grayrobinson-p-a- | Twitterhttps://twitter.com/grayrobinsonlaw

From: Adam C. Linkhorst ACL@floridahardhatlaw.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 1:18 PM
To: Reese J. Henderson, Jr. Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com; Dan Vega DVega@TEVTLaw.com; Barry Kalmanson bkpa1@aol.com
Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?

This message originated outside of GrayRobinson.

Take a look at SC13-889. It may be helpful. Deals with property mangers but seems very instruction and has a lot behind it.

Adam C. Linkhorst, Esq.
Linkhorst & Hockin, P.A.
C - 954.562.9199
W - 561.626.8880

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> on behalf of Reese J. Henderson, Jr. <Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.commailto:Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 11:09:26 AM
To: Dan Vega <DVega@TEVTLaw.commailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com>; Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1@aol.commailto:bkpa1@aol.com>
Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?

Dan:  Does your 15 year old daughter know how to prepare a proper legal description of the property that your client’s lien will encumber?  Does your daughter, or any layperson for that matter, appreciate the gravity and potential ramifications of making an error in the calculation of the lien amount (i.e., fraudulent lien exposure)?  Preparing a lien is hardly a trivial task.

Reese J. Henderson, Jr. | Shareholder
Florida Bar Board Certified in Construction Law
Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil Mediator
G R A Y | R O B I N S O N

50 North Laura Street, Suite 1100 | Jacksonville, Florida 32202
T: 904-598-9929 | F: 904-598-9109 | D: 904-632-8459
E-mailmailto:Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com | Websitehttp://www.gray-robinson.com | Biohttp://www.gray-robinson.com/attorneys/detail/1022/ReeseJ-HendersonJr | vCard<http://www.gray-robinson.com/docs/Reese Henderson.vcf>

Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/GrayRobinsonLaw | LinkedInhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/grayrobinson-p-a- | Twitterhttps://twitter.com/grayrobinsonlaw

This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) or entity(s) named within the message. This e-mail might contain legally privileged and confidential information. If you properly received this e-mail as a client or retained expert, please hold it in confidence to protect the attorney-client or work product privileges. Should the intended recipient forward or disclose this message to another person or party, that action could constitute a waiver of the attorney-client privilege. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited by the sender and to do so might constitute a violation of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. section 2510-2521. If this communication was received in error we apologize for the intrusion. Please notify us by reply e-mail and delete the original message without reading same. Nothing in this e-mail message shall, in and of itself, create an attorney-client relationship with the sender.

Please be advised that this law firm may be acting as a debt collector and is attempting to collect a debt and any information provided will be used for that purpose.

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of Dan Vega
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 1:01 PM
To: Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1@aol.commailto:bkpa1@aol.com>
Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?

This message originated outside of GrayRobinson.

What does prepare the lien mean?

My 15 year old daughter can take the form in the statute and fill the blanks with the info provided by a client.  The client then signs it.

Who prepared the lien?

Sent from my iPhone

Daniel R. Vega, Esq.

Florida Board Certified in Construction Law

Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Court Mediator

Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, PLLC

201 Alhambra Circle, Suite 801

Coral Gables, Florida 33134

Telephone: (305) 443-2043

Facsimile: (305) 443-2048

Cell: (305) 962-5186

E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.commailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com

On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1@aol.commailto:bkpa1@aol.com> wrote:



As far as the execution of liens the word "attorney" was removed from the statute in 1977. Now Section 713.08(2) does not provide authority for an attorney to execute liens unless the attorney happens to be "acquainted with the facts stated therein." This highly unlikely unless the attorney also works as an employee of the lienor.  This makes a fun day in a deposition.

As far as releases go any individual with authority (including attorneys) can execute releases. Section 713.20 does not include a limitation on who can sign the releases of lien.

Under Section 713.08(2) the discussion becomes much more interesting as to who can prepare the liens . Many throughout the state that are not permitted are preparing liens. This is clearly the unlicensed practice of law.  The Florida Bar has sent cease and desist letters to various companies and non-lawyer individuals for preparing liens.

Sincerely,

Barry Kalmanson

500 N Maitland Avenue

Suite 305

Maitland, Fl. 32751

407-645-4500 x 215

http://www.barrykalmanson.com/https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.barrykalmanson.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=zE45gdQ3k25VGwVFqkDDplhe4FoiDjn%2BlF87%2BNU7Rfg%3D&reserved=0

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Partington <bpartington@clarkpartington.commailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com>
To: Jeffrey Price <jeff@npw-law.commailto:jeff@npw-law.com>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>
Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 10:24 am
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?

For what it’s worth, and 692 is part of it, it’s been my policy for years never to sign liens or releases on behalf of clients. Another reason is that the jurat is taking an oath that what is in it is true, and I think it’s best that clients do that. (A release would formally probably only require an acknowledgement, but a lien definitely requires a jurat).

I think the beginning of 692.01 makes it relatively clear:

Any corporation may execute instruments conveying, mortgaging, or affecting any interest in lands by instruments sealed with the common or corporate seal and signed in its name by its president or any vice president or chief executive officer. Assignments, satisfactions, or partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts may be similarly executed by any corporate officer.

But, read carefully, that only applies to acknowledgements, not jurats, because pretty much all instruments affecting any interests in lands, except a construction lien, require only an acknowledgement.

Bruce Partington | Shareholder
bpartington@clarkpartington.commailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com | (850) 432-1399callto:(850)%20432-1399

CLARK PARTINGTON
Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340
125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor
Pensacola, Florida 32502
clarkpartington.comhttps://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fclarkpartington.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=8V8NM6%2FJuXzwWZe913%2F8x2RPisF1Ce7Fhq6o1EJdq54%3D&reserved=0

<logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg>

<Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FClarkPartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=7P8mWoD7V30zLTXx3qsusIQErhSlO%2FM0XO6xpHGXcN8%3D&reserved=0

https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2F2250553%2Fadmin%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=HH5iw%2Bx6oN2zCT2EdxQZERTL07YGINQkb4Uy6SoC3q4%3D&reserved=0

<LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2F2250553%2Fadmin%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=HH5iw%2Bx6oN2zCT2EdxQZERTL07YGINQkb4Uy6SoC3q4%3D&reserved=0

https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FClarkPartington&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698350306&sdata=31tK2cJczqIoku4fV5%2BHoTvDsN1V4trlC3jBF3yejZo%3D&reserved=0

<Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FClarkPartington&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698350306&sdata=31tK2cJczqIoku4fV5%2BHoTvDsN1V4trlC3jBF3yejZo%3D&reserved=0

https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fclarkpartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=dfoT5QSspGV62jrOp0AZMC2cGMyLRHmSWHQW6Ivc1Pw%3D&reserved=0

<Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fclarkpartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=dfoT5QSspGV62jrOp0AZMC2cGMyLRHmSWHQW6Ivc1Pw%3D&reserved=0

From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Price
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:05 AM
To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases?

Delivered a partial lien release for a single condo where client has a lien on the entire complex. This was the 6th at this condo for routine sales (Miami-Dade) and was no different that the other 5 (or other 20-some in the last 6 months on other complexes). The release was prepared by me (Attorney for Lienor), signed by me as “Agent/Attorney for Lienor.”

Got into a dispute about the release form (not the amount). First they wanted the jurat changed to duplicate the language as of Jan. 1, 2020 (despite the statute saying the jurat “must be in substantially the following form”). Whatever. Fine.

But then this is forwarded to me. I called “Connie” but because I am not a member of “The Fund” she refused to discuss anything and hung up the phone. (You that have dealt with me can understand, hell, I don’t even like talking to me in a mirror).

Question – has anyone ever heard of this line of reasoning? Does 692 have anything to do with 713 liens and releases?

“The release is signed an agent of a Florida corporation.  Under Sec. 692.01, F.S.,  a corporate officer may sign partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts. There is no authority for anyone other than a corporate officer to sign such a document.”

connie Clark

Senior Underwriting Counsel

P: 800.432.9594

<image001.png>https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=kxdUzgHtuLA7uLaJNLRylBOTwhEdD9FVhn0JiC6HSM4%3D&reserved=0

www.TheFund.comhttps://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=7EWid9xlxCYIXlfp5gnWrLyZSjWuC562YNkiOSMQoLk%3D&reserved=0

<image003.png>

<image005.png>

<image007.jpg>

CLC-Discussion mailing list
CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussionhttps://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=50nshWlPg%2Fd8f%2BBjZ1C08bNRAVFiiUydXLvgLWPynz8%3D&reserved=0

<image001.png>

<Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png>

<Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png>

<LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png>

<Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png>

<image003.png>

<image005.png>

<image007.jpg>

<logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg>

CLC-Discussion mailing list
CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.orgmailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&amp;data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698400277&amp;sdata=VjoieRRnrrkn5PGGzhSggK4nTzUJhDnzSXVUmU%2FBObE%3D&amp;reserved=0https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&amp;data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698400277&amp;sdata=VjoieRRnrrkn5PGGzhSggK4nTzUJhDnzSXVUmU%2FBObE%3D&amp;reserved=0

Here’s a link for the curious - https://caselaw.findlaw.com/fl-supreme-court/1717326.html Reese J. Henderson, Jr. | Shareholder Florida Bar Board Certified in Construction Law Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil Mediator G R A Y | R O B I N S O N 50 North Laura Street, Suite 1100 | Jacksonville, Florida 32202 T: 904-598-9929 | F: 904-598-9109 | D: 904-632-8459 E-mail<mailto:Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com> | Website<http://www.gray-robinson.com> | Bio<http://www.gray-robinson.com/attorneys/detail/1022/ReeseJ-HendersonJr> | vCard<http://www.gray-robinson.com/docs/Reese%20Henderson.vcf> Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/GrayRobinsonLaw> | LinkedIn<https://www.linkedin.com/company/grayrobinson-p-a-> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/grayrobinsonlaw> From: Adam C. Linkhorst <ACL@floridahardhatlaw.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 1:18 PM To: Reese J. Henderson, Jr. <Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com>; Dan Vega <DVega@TEVTLaw.com>; Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1@aol.com> Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? This message originated outside of GrayRobinson. ________________________________ Take a look at SC13-889. It may be helpful. Deals with property mangers but seems very instruction and has a lot behind it. Adam C. Linkhorst, Esq. Linkhorst & Hockin, P.A. C - 954.562.9199 W - 561.626.8880 ________________________________ From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> on behalf of Reese J. Henderson, Jr. <Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com<mailto:Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com>> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 11:09:26 AM To: Dan Vega <DVega@TEVTLaw.com<mailto:DVega@TEVTLaw.com>>; Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1@aol.com<mailto:bkpa1@aol.com>> Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? Dan: Does your 15 year old daughter know how to prepare a proper legal description of the property that your client’s lien will encumber? Does your daughter, or any layperson for that matter, appreciate the gravity and potential ramifications of making an error in the calculation of the lien amount (i.e., fraudulent lien exposure)? Preparing a lien is hardly a trivial task. Reese J. Henderson, Jr. | Shareholder Florida Bar Board Certified in Construction Law Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil Mediator G R A Y | R O B I N S O N 50 North Laura Street, Suite 1100 | Jacksonville, Florida 32202 T: 904-598-9929 | F: 904-598-9109 | D: 904-632-8459 E-mail<mailto:Reese.Henderson@gray-robinson.com> | Website<http://www.gray-robinson.com> | Bio<http://www.gray-robinson.com/attorneys/detail/1022/ReeseJ-HendersonJr> | vCard<http://www.gray-robinson.com/docs/Reese Henderson.vcf> Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/GrayRobinsonLaw> | LinkedIn<https://www.linkedin.com/company/grayrobinson-p-a-> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/grayrobinsonlaw> This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) or entity(s) named within the message. This e-mail might contain legally privileged and confidential information. If you properly received this e-mail as a client or retained expert, please hold it in confidence to protect the attorney-client or work product privileges. Should the intended recipient forward or disclose this message to another person or party, that action could constitute a waiver of the attorney-client privilege. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited by the sender and to do so might constitute a violation of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. section 2510-2521. If this communication was received in error we apologize for the intrusion. Please notify us by reply e-mail and delete the original message without reading same. Nothing in this e-mail message shall, in and of itself, create an attorney-client relationship with the sender. Please be advised that this law firm may be acting as a debt collector and is attempting to collect a debt and any information provided will be used for that purpose. From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> On Behalf Of Dan Vega Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 1:01 PM To: Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1@aol.com<mailto:bkpa1@aol.com>> Cc: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? This message originated outside of GrayRobinson. ________________________________ What does prepare the lien mean? My 15 year old daughter can take the form in the statute and fill the blanks with the info provided by a client. The client then signs it. Who prepared the lien? Sent from my iPhone Daniel R. Vega, Esq. Florida Board Certified in Construction Law Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Court Mediator Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, PLLC 201 Alhambra Circle, Suite 801 Coral Gables, Florida 33134 Telephone: (305) 443-2043 Facsimile: (305) 443-2048 Cell: (305) 962-5186 E-mail: dvega@tevtlaw.com<mailto:dvega@tevtlaw.com> On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Barry Kalmanson <bkpa1@aol.com<mailto:bkpa1@aol.com>> wrote:  As far as the execution of liens the word "attorney" was removed from the statute in 1977. Now Section 713.08(2) does not provide authority for an attorney to execute liens unless the attorney happens to be "acquainted with the facts stated therein." This highly unlikely unless the attorney also works as an employee of the lienor. This makes a fun day in a deposition. As far as releases go any individual with authority (including attorneys) can execute releases. Section 713.20 does not include a limitation on who can sign the releases of lien. Under Section 713.08(2) the discussion becomes much more interesting as to who can prepare the liens . Many throughout the state that are not permitted are preparing liens. This is clearly the unlicensed practice of law. The Florida Bar has sent cease and desist letters to various companies and non-lawyer individuals for preparing liens. Sincerely, Barry Kalmanson 500 N Maitland Avenue Suite 305 Maitland, Fl. 32751 407-645-4500 x 215 http://www.barrykalmanson.com/<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.barrykalmanson.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=zE45gdQ3k25VGwVFqkDDplhe4FoiDjn%2BlF87%2BNU7Rfg%3D&reserved=0> -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Partington <bpartington@clarkpartington.com<mailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com>> To: Jeffrey Price <jeff@npw-law.com<mailto:jeff@npw-law.com>>; clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> <clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 10:24 am Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? For what it’s worth, and 692 is part of it, it’s been my policy for years never to sign liens or releases on behalf of clients. Another reason is that the jurat is taking an oath that what is in it is true, and I think it’s best that clients do that. (A release would formally probably only require an acknowledgement, but a lien definitely requires a jurat). I think the beginning of 692.01 makes it relatively clear: Any corporation may execute instruments conveying, mortgaging, or affecting any interest in lands by instruments sealed with the common or corporate seal and signed in its name by its president or any vice president or chief executive officer. Assignments, satisfactions, or partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts may be similarly executed by any corporate officer. But, read carefully, that only applies to acknowledgements, not jurats, because pretty much all instruments affecting any interests in lands, except a construction lien, require only an acknowledgement. Bruce Partington | Shareholder bpartington@clarkpartington.com<mailto:bpartington@clarkpartington.com> | (850) 432-1399<callto:(850)%20432-1399> CLARK PARTINGTON Office: (850) 434-9200 | Fax: (850) 432-7340 125 East Intendencia Street, 4th Floor Pensacola, Florida 32502 clarkpartington.com<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fclarkpartington.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698330312&sdata=8V8NM6%2FJuXzwWZe913%2F8x2RPisF1Ce7Fhq6o1EJdq54%3D&reserved=0> <logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg> <Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FClarkPartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=7P8mWoD7V30zLTXx3qsusIQErhSlO%2FM0XO6xpHGXcN8%3D&reserved=0> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2F2250553%2Fadmin%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=HH5iw%2Bx6oN2zCT2EdxQZERTL07YGINQkb4Uy6SoC3q4%3D&reserved=0> <LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2F2250553%2Fadmin%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698340309&sdata=HH5iw%2Bx6oN2zCT2EdxQZERTL07YGINQkb4Uy6SoC3q4%3D&reserved=0> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FClarkPartington&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698350306&sdata=31tK2cJczqIoku4fV5%2BHoTvDsN1V4trlC3jBF3yejZo%3D&reserved=0> <Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FClarkPartington&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698350306&sdata=31tK2cJczqIoku4fV5%2BHoTvDsN1V4trlC3jBF3yejZo%3D&reserved=0> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fclarkpartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=dfoT5QSspGV62jrOp0AZMC2cGMyLRHmSWHQW6Ivc1Pw%3D&reserved=0> <Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fclarkpartington%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=dfoT5QSspGV62jrOp0AZMC2cGMyLRHmSWHQW6Ivc1Pw%3D&reserved=0> From: clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org> <clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org>> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Price Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:05 AM To: clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Who can sign liens and releases? Delivered a partial lien release for a single condo where client has a lien on the entire complex. This was the 6th at this condo for routine sales (Miami-Dade) and was no different that the other 5 (or other 20-some in the last 6 months on other complexes). The release was prepared by me (Attorney for Lienor), signed by me as “Agent/Attorney for Lienor.” Got into a dispute about the release form (not the amount). First they wanted the jurat changed to duplicate the language as of Jan. 1, 2020 (despite the statute saying the jurat “must be in substantially the following form”). Whatever. Fine. But then this is forwarded to me. I called “Connie” but because I am not a member of “The Fund” she refused to discuss anything and hung up the phone. (You that have dealt with me can understand, hell, I don’t even like talking to me in a mirror). Question – has anyone ever heard of this line of reasoning? Does 692 have anything to do with 713 liens and releases? “The release is signed an agent of a Florida corporation. Under Sec. 692.01, F.S., a corporate officer may sign partial releases of mortgages and acquittances for debts. There is no authority for anyone other than a corporate officer to sign such a document.” connie Clark Senior Underwriting Counsel P: 800.432.9594 <image001.png><https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698360298&sdata=kxdUzgHtuLA7uLaJNLRylBOTwhEdD9FVhn0JiC6HSM4%3D&reserved=0> www.TheFund.com<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefund.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=7EWid9xlxCYIXlfp5gnWrLyZSjWuC562YNkiOSMQoLk%3D&reserved=0> <image003.png> <image005.png> <image007.jpg> _______________________________________________ CLC-Discussion mailing list CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/clc-discussion<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698370296&sdata=50nshWlPg%2Fd8f%2BBjZ1C08bNRAVFiiUydXLvgLWPynz8%3D&reserved=0> <image001.png> <Instagram_c437b822-13ce-4d58-87bc-212014b134fa.png> <Facebook_55598884-7995-4d93-92d3-5101d580d70c.png> <LinkedIn_57c89113-2875-479d-9fdd-fd3a2a809f98.png> <Twitter_216c94ca-a91c-458c-ad76-295500e4747c.png> <image003.png> <image005.png> <image007.jpg> <logo4_09e57621-d955-46d0-aad5-1c620e3975ef.jpg> _______________________________________________ CLC-Discussion mailing list CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org<mailto:CLC-Discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&amp;data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698400277&amp;sdata=VjoieRRnrrkn5PGGzhSggK4nTzUJhDnzSXVUmU%2FBObE%3D&amp;reserved=0<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.fsr.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fclc-discussion&amp;data=02%7C01%7CDVega%40tevtlaw.com%7C027fb339a52045db5a2108d81ddf2f0e%7C77483cb9f33c4c7686e8bcfe43eb03ef%7C0%7C0%7C637292191698400277&amp;sdata=VjoieRRnrrkn5PGGzhSggK4nTzUJhDnzSXVUmU%2FBObE%3D&amp;reserved=0>
Next page
Empathy v1.0   2026 ©EMWD.com
Documentation